Chase Goldman
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Fast and Easy Start in the manual actually includes a recommendation (side note) to GB if you are experiencing excessive ground noise that manifests as ferrous range falsing (bouncing -8, -7's) when you invoke the all metal pushbutton. Otherwise, Multi IQ is very forgiving to a less than optimal GB setting. Since Auto GB is relatively easy to accomplish, I routinely Auto GB at sites with any level of mineralization present. Otherwise I just use the default GB setting, especially at a white sand beaches (i.e., beach with non-existent black sand) where there is little for the Auto GB to grab on to, which could actually result in a worse GB setting because the auto circuit is just guessing without a solid mineralization or salt reference. In the surf, I use tracking which is recommended due to the constantly changing salinity levels.
HTH
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Nuke, you might try just seeing how far down you have to go on sense to get it to quiet, even if you don't hunt that way. Noise may drop off precipitously just a few clicks below 18, you never know. Going as low as 13 to 15 is NOT the end of the world depth wise (bury some coinage and see what the impact is to see if it is even tolerable), especially if you can retain beach mode and multi IQ in the process. I wouldn't go much below 15, though, I have not tested to see what the impact is beyond. I know some folks push it down to very low numbers to be able to hunt against metal fence lines and playground equipment that would be unsearchable otherwise. Just a suggestion.
Of course this would only be in the event you don't have one of your preferred machines with you to hunt the intolerable noise areas. Sometimes, drastic situations call for drastic measures just to avoid having to call off the hunt altogether. Good luck.
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I also think folks are hesitant to dial down on sensitivity as necessary to mitigate EMI related falsing. I haven't done a scientific test to verify the detection depth vs. sensitivity curve, but based on the respectable beach recovery depths I have achieved even with sensitivity at a few clicks lower than 20, I imagine you can achieve significant relief from falsing at sensitivity settings near 15 yet still retain respectable recovery depth.
Optimal improvement in signal to noise ratio vice just raw target signal reduction can be achieved with relatively small reductions in sensitivity as the noise sensitivity can, in some cases, fall faster (on a percentage basis) than the target sensitivity. In other words if relative target signal "S" amplitude drops from 10 to 7 while noise "N" drops from 4 to 2 by reducing detector sensitivity, then the signal to noise ratio (S/N) goes from 10/4 (2.5) to 7/2 (3.5) which can result in an actual increase in target detectability because of the greater signal to noise ratio. Of course not all noise situations will respond as favorably to reductions in sensitivity and there is always a point of diminishing returns but its worth a shot before going to what I would consider more extreme measures such as forgoing the advantages of Multi IQ for single frequency operations.
I know Steve and co. would only consider single once all other noise reduction options have been exhausted (i.e., auto noise cancel/manual noise cancel [800 only]/reduce sense/try another perhaps less than optimal mode/try single frequency/Use heavy segment notching/disc).
Not sure any of the above options would have helped Nuke, however, in the extreme EMI conditions described. Sounded pretty nasty.
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Great news. Is that a custom made straight extension cable you are referring to with WP connections on each end?
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Yeah, that sounds more like it. I think there was ap problem with my friend's, perhaps a high impedance in the line somewhere.
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How is the loudness, cdv? A friend of mine got his in the first batch and they registered only 45dB which seems anomalous (he may have gotten a defective pair bc they were definitely more quiet than another pair of wired phones he tested).
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For its size, has some heft, .8 g. Not magnetic. We'll see. Tone was 17.
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7 minutes ago, Nuke em said:
What karat is it , looks good , well done.
I haven't been out today . The weather is crap and might be tomorrow . If i do go out it might be from midday tomorrow till sunset at 8pm or so. Not expecting much , all the beaches looked built up a bit or enough to hide most in the tidals . The tops are likely to be baron till the better weather .
Not sure, no marking, need to test it. It may be plate, but so small. The missus thinks it's cute, so it's a win regardless.
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6 minutes ago, Nuke em said:
I am never easy to please and no machine is perfect everywhere , but then they dont have too . They only have to be good somewhere .
Amen to that.
After Equinox, the bar is set pretty high before I wait in line again, too.
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BTW - Got out to my local beach park this AM to give Goldinox a dip and managed some relatively deep coins again, including nickels. But what was amazing is the small stuff I was digging out of the wet sand. Wet sand and surf recovery is just plain exhausting and to make matters more fun, the tide was coming in. So after 3 hours, I managed just a little over a couple dollars worth of change and this tiny gold turtle pendant for the world's best and toughest mom and I'm beat.
Nuke, I have no idea how you manage your 14 hour ironman beach detecting sessions. You have every right to be demanding of your equipment! Tip o the hat to your determination and skill.
Happy Hunting to all this weekend!
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5 hours ago, Nuke em said:
As for me adding to the supply problem for wanting 2 Nox's . Nah . Shouldn't wanting 2 of them endorse the machine a bit ?
Well even though I said I was poking fun, you still decided to take me seriously. You have every right to be demanding and fussy. Never said you were or were not endorsing the machine (I dont have personally care whether other people like it or not) nor did I think that you were adding to the "supply problem". I was merely humorously pointing out the amusing contradiction that you (justifiably) want Equinox to be more than it is yet you are still willing to buy a 2nd machine.
You missed my point completely. I find it ironic that even people who are not 100% all in on the machine like it enough to get more than one and that those same people wonder why ML can't keep up with the demand. Most folks are more than pleased with the machine so it makes sense that ML never even had a chance to meet that ridiculous end of March backlog clearing goal. Meanwhile the backlog grows ever larger as the Equinox demand snowball rolls down the hill. That just makes me smile and shake my head ruefully. Lol.
Nothing wrong with thinking that way, Nuke, it just tickles my funny bone, that's all.
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Good news Randy. Congrats on the new buds.
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2 hours ago, Nuke em said:
Do i sense a factory recall ?
Why would that be? Because they can't keep up with worldwide demand? Yeah, this is an unmitigated disaster. Lol. Whites didn't even recall the MX sport en masse even after it started leaking water through the control housing... I have not heard of any issues, including the wonky shaft cam locks, that even come close to warranting an all user warning email, much less a recall.
2 hours ago, Nuke em said:dealer i am getting my second machine from . My dealer has had 3 returned for various reasons out of 75 i think they have had , i am at 119.
And Minelab said they would have all back orders cleared by when ??
You are seriously questioning why ML hasnt filled all backorders? Perhaps because people like you keep ordering 2 or 3 while at the same time complaining about their performance, lol. Just poking a bit o' fun Nukie.
BTW, plenty of 600's sitting on dealers' shelves in the States
I think it is hilarious that ML continues to get thrashed by end users simply because they can't keep up with historically unprecedented demand for a new Metal Detector model. The issue is snowballing too as skeptical users buy into the initial positive reports by the early adopters to jump on the bandwagon, while many other folks indeed order their second Equinox (raises hand).
BTW, have you given Sinclair's Single freq beach anomaly a go yet? If I can get it to happen, I am going to see if it saves in the User Profile slot, too. Weird.
Welp, off to the beach...
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19 minutes ago, Sinclair said:
I have one spot with high EMI, too. Switching to single frequency for that part of the beach did the trick for me.
What mode do you prefer for single frequency beach detecting since you cannot operate either of the beach modes single frequency?
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7 hours ago, NSC said:
only find it flutey if the signal bounces from one TID tone range to next
That too is what I consider flutey, fairly bouncy TID usually associated with trash, mixed ferrous, and sometimes deep targets. Deep keepers can bounce but in a fairly narrow range so they are usually saying "dig me!".
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17 hours ago, Nuke em said:
When i got to the area that has the worst EMI i went up to the tops and did a noise cancel , this time it worked . Though only for 15 minutes or so then i had to do it all over again and then again ...... .
Hmm. Two things.
Did you try manually selecting the channel instead of having it go through the auto procedure every time? Could save some time and you might find a channel that is stable and that you don't have to keep changing. Otherwise, it may be just a matter of shifting up or down one or two clicks periodically rather than waiting for it to scan all channels.
Did you attempt to lower sensitivity at all? May be a matter of just lowering sensitivity a few clicks in addition to the NC that may be the ticket to better stability and you may not be sacrificing much on depth. I know you you are down on the Equinox on depth, but sometimes as far as gain is concerned, less is more because you also lower the noise floor, which results in an overall gain in signal to noise ratio.
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Gets me excited to hit the beach even though my beach does not give up the gold and silver like yours do.
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Recognizable Large Cent for me.
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They are APTXLL
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Sitting Elf manages to successfully detect military bases, perhaps you can get some pointers from him so you don't have to just use the pinpointer.
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12 hours ago, Milk86 said:
Wow lots of information there. Hopefully I am not biting off more than I can chew on this hunt. Great info.
You are going to be fine. As Norm says, a lot of what I told you comes naturally to experienced detectorists, they don't think about it. But sometimes, you do need to think about it when learning a new machine because of the differences in the new hardware from what you are used to. Most of it is common sense. Have fun. Oh, I also forgot to mention one not so secret weapon on the machine and that is the horseshoe button. Great single button push feature that instantly gets rid of any disc and notches you have set up so you can interrogate a target. Say you are getting a bouncy signal. Hit the horseshoe and see if you can also hear a ferrous tone too, that will tell you possible trash or mixed ferrous/non-ferrous target. Use pinpoint to help you discern whether you potentially have two targets under that coil that are mixing it up. Pinpoint may or may not be something that takes getting used to. Suggest putting some targets on the ground under cardboard and practicing with it so you can see how it responds. Has some quirks but works well to help you not only locate but size up and even get an idea of relative depth on your target. HH
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Love the V's and silver!
One Additional Step...for Me
in Minelab Equinox Forum
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Leave it on auto?? (Don’t think that is possible because you have to keep the accept/reject switch depressed while in GB settings and can’t actually detect that way).
Do you actually mean you use continuous tracking (different than Auto GB)?
Or do you just always do a periodic auto GB vice periodic manual GB?