Chase Goldman

Because HF is slightly less deep overall on high conductors the "deep" claim can be confusing. However, in this context it is appropriate and worded appropriately by saying it is deeper for "many purposes". The size (if it is a small elliptical) and high frequency more accurately increases micro target sensitivity. This can manifest as greater detection depth for those specific targets but it can also simply mean that the coil will pick up a micro surface target that the 9" or larger FMF coils will simply pass over. So it's really more accurate to simply state that this coil will improve micro target sensitivity and leave "depth" out of it. FWIW.

Well, I can't read Russian no matter how thick you underline it Was this announcement emailed to registered Russian XP Deus 2 owners like in the US? The emailed US announcement (again, as shown on the first post of this thread) differs significantly in format (not just language differences) from the one above. Is there an English version of the above announcement in existence somewhere?

Yeah - I posted the 32F thing as a public reminder for others who use a power bank while operating their LiB powered detectors in cold weather. It's a sure fire way to trash your battery's useful capacity and the chemical process that causes the damage is permanent and not reversible. Chances are if the outside temp is right at 32F your operating Manticore battery itself is probably not at 32F due to self heating because of electric current resistive power losses, but no way I am going to "bank" on that (pardon the pun). To stay well away from the damaging process, I don't run a power charge on anything LiB below 40F. The upper operating limit for Manticore is 104F/40C. While I wouldn't advise using a charge bank in hot temps and direct sunlight due to thermal runaway and swelling concerns, those issues do not necessarily result in permanent "invisible" chemical damage like cold charging does without outward signs of distress (hot to the touch, display malfunctions etc.) Although the LCD type displays do turn black when overheated and that has nothing to do with the LiB. Regarding run time, if ML says 10 hours in the manual without written caveats, then you should get 10 hours on average at least not under best case conditions. That's what ML says is "typical" with ATHC being a high power draw mode that shaves an hour off that run time. But based on the anecdotal evidence of users, like yourself, I'm not seeing those 10 hour run times even in favorable modes and conditions.

Bob, Regarding your battery issues: You may find that as your new Manticore battery gets worked-in with more charge-discharge cycles you will get slightly better run times. But, yes, the Manticore is marginal to extended run times past 6 hours for the higher discharge modes, especially in colder ambient temps, despite advertising 10 hours max run time (which is best case favorable conditions). It has a 6.5AH capacity vs. 5 AH on the Nox 800. I will note that twice the power to the coil does not translate to twice the needed battery capacity as the actual current drain for the coil is a small percentage of the total power draw on the battery with the processor, wireless radio, and backlight having significant impacts on battery run time. Second key point - never use a power bank to charge a LiB if your ambient environmental temp is less than 0C/32F as you can damage the battery being charged. Of all the components that are operating and storage temperature sensitive, the LiB are the most crtical in terms of heeding the operating and storage temp limits stated in the User Guide.

Those were all minted in Mexico but I am sure they were either brought to Europe by Spanish traders or made their way directly from the New World to SE Asia by 19th century European traders. Fantastic finds however they got to your shores.

I'm confused too, because nowhere in the official product announcement (first post in this thread) is the word "DEEP" even used. Can you provide a screenshot of what you are referring to?

Great find, Nox. Beautiful coin. It's a nomenclature technicality but although new world minted silver in territories (including the famous mint in Mexico City) claimed by Spain are considered Spanish silver coins, once the First Republic of Mexico declared its independence from Spain in 1824, they started to mint their coinage in Mexico City without a royal coat of arms or cross - but instead the shining cap of Liberty. Other various mints were established in the Mexican states and the coins would bear those Mexican mint marks. In this case the "Z" stands for Zacatecas which is north of Mexico City. So technically it's Mexican silver at that point. I found an 1830 First Republic of Mexico 1/2 Reale variant in PA a few years back, it was sitting ON TOP of plowed ground. Thought it was a piece of a pull tab tongue at first when I first sighted it as it was tiny and thin and did not look like any of the US silver we were pulling out of that site. It was a pleasant surprise once I figured out what it was. In those early 19th century days in the US, silver was silver (i.e., legal tender) whether European, New World Spanish, Republic of Mexico, or US minted. So it is not unusual to find those Mexican coins scattered across the US eastern seaboard states as well as the more commo earlier vintage Spanish silver coins. If those coins could talk about their journey from the Mexican and Central and South American mints.... Bob you've basically cornered the market on Spanish silver lately with Cobs, Pistereens, and New and Old world Reales, so calling Spanish or Mexican is merely semantics. Just wanted to point out the historical nuance. No criticism intended. I can imagine an early Republic of Mexico Silver may be lying in wait in one of your fields somewhere.

Thanks for the detailed explanation of what actually changed under the hood, Chris. Sorry I stuck a nerve, but TBH, I think FT does themselves a disservice by their vague marketing descriptions and the confusion caused by all the GB variants and FT brand adjacent clones (F19/G2/TRP) and their past history on other product lines with new releases mainly being only different in name, rod design, and/or paint scheme. There is little comparative literature to help detectorists understand the nuanced feature implementation differences. And with other manufacturers' value-priced gold capable SMF detectors with similar ground handling capabilities at price points not much different than the GBT but with greater versatility beyond gold prospecting, it's going to be hard to regain a foothold. Nevertheless, I am rooting for FT to gain relevancy again. I can see where you are personally bridging the gap on FT's marketing shortcomings. With Carl refining, improving, and working out GBP bugs with the GBT effort, do you or @Geotech see FT updating the GBP with these GBT improvements? This would peak the interest of more experienced detectorists like Phrunt who have had good past experiences with FT products and who would like to be able to have the ability to tweak and manually adjust settings as well as reap the GBT improvements despite the added complexity and cost. Like Jeff mentioned, having TIDs displayed in AM is a big plus but so is having the ground grab switch.

In the second to last post in the linked thread below, Steve notes that the GBP and G2 have apparently incorporated continuous ground tracking even though this feature is not explicitly touted. This GB Tracker just appears to be another FT repackaging variant of the existing digital GP/GBP series plus or minus a few features and offered at $299 -really nothing actually new or groundbreaking here as the marketing description of "target tracking" is vague. Since the GBP/G2/BH TRP with basically the same features (not like the GBP is that complicated to operate) and can be obtained at around the same price point not sure this is really anything to get too excited about. Perhaps @Geotech can better articulate whether this new variant has any actually new features under the hood vs. it's FT GB predecessors.

It's a 3D printed stand extension attachment you can readily get off eBay or Etsy. Generally, I have found them to be problematic: they either do not attach very securely or they use metallic tightening hardware that introduces stress cracks in the printed material that eventually fractures straight through. After wasting money on several lost and/or fractured 3D stand attachments of various designs I finally just threw in the towel and don't use them anymore. Since they all suck in my opinion, I am not going to bother posting a link to any of them. Just do a Google search on XP Deus stand extension kit and they should pop up. Maybe someone else has had better luck with these and can make a recommendation.

The latest update 2.07 just issued addresses pretty much all of the initial issues based on my observations after loading the update on my machine this week. I'll be giving it a workout this month on some diverse relic sites. It's wise for you to wait and see how the dust settles but I consider it pretty much ready for prime time. A couple of other good reasons to wait are that lower cost Vortex VX5/VX7 variants with software builds with fewer features are not yet available for sale and also Garrett hasn't released the additional Vortex accessory coils yet.

I own one as do others here, post if you have any specific questions here or in the Garrett Vortex forum section. https://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/68-garrett-vortex-forum/

These two detectors are solid single frequency detectors with good coil selections and the TRP has decent ground handling capabilities and a reactive All Metal mode. But basically, the target specific response limitations due to use of single frequency are just as you described though I think coins will be much less of a problem for the TRP than small gold targets will be for the LRP. More great information on TRP here: From the DP Detector Database so you can compare features: BTW - I know I sound like a broken record constantly recommending simultaneous multifrequency detectors, but that is because they are now similarly priced to and generally more versatile than single frequency detectors. The Garrett Vortex series uses 0 -99 TID you prefer and when the VX5 becomes available may be a good 2nd detector with the versatility of simultaneous multifrequency at about the same price as the TRP with options to pay for incremental software upgrades to the hardware to increase capability as desired. But your mind seems pretty made up on getting the TRP, not a bad choice as a backup to your LRP.

Unfortunately, growth forecast ignores the practical realities of the following downward pressure influence aspects on the hobby vs. the "vast areas of spaces" in North America: Declining use of cash and precious jewelry by most of the outgoing public, creating less replenishment of desirable targets; shrinking availability of publicly accessible detecting sites as local municipalities enact increasingly restrictive access and activity rules; shrinking detector accessible precious metal and relic targets and sites, a shift (in the US at least) of private property owners tending to shun permission access to their properties due to a combination of growing distrust of strangers and desire for privacy, liability concerns, and concerns for property damage based on past experiences. I think that while many more folks are trying their hand at treasure hunting, many are becoming disappointed or disillusioned once they discover the realities of treasure hunting vs. the edited and polished video presentations that neglect to prepare the newbie for the actual amount of recovered trash vs. the low liklihood of finding actual treasure and the lack of accessible sites as previously mentioned. Technological advances in performance and ease of use are not sufficient to significantly improve trash to treasure ratios and have zero impact on site availability. One time sales may indeed see a growth curve, but unlike smart phones which are constantly refreshed by users on an annual or bi-annual basis as tech advances and user reliance on them increases (and shows a 7.1% compound growth rate by this same market research company vs. 7.5% for metal detectors touted above), repeat sales will not likely grow as many folks will quickly lose interest after the disappointment of their first few experiences. So I am not buying their compound growth rate projections for detectors. Nevertheless, I thought there was some great info here, including the total sales figures despite some flawed assumptions (IMO) on the projected growth rate long term. It makes a great topic for discussion and debate. Thanks for posting.

Decent workaround. Too bad you lose iron boundary adjustment, bc filter, and multi-tired TID display in Multi-Salt. But these are nice to haves, not necessarily essential, in a pinch. Dedicated second or third "terrestrial" multi F profiles would be a, welcome upgrade down the road. Along with tones options (pitch and/or all tones).