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Seems Santa likes old grumpy detectorists. 😊

Today Detech's "The Arrow" for White's DFX, MXT arrived. When I held the cardboard box I didn't realize it was THAT big. WOW.

Mounted the stem-system in a rush and connected it to my 3 detectors just to check if it works with them. And yes, it does very well, even on the VX3 in 3-frequency, target ID is great. Weight is 750g with cord. For now I think it will cover a lot of ground in no time with great depth.

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On 12/6/2021 at 10:07 AM, Skullgolddiver said:

Right now there's only a big mess.

I maked a video on YouTube to explain what will happen and a possible evolution for Us as certified operators but this take time to happen.The government Is not in the mood for a regulation, but for a total stop.

Maybe only a land owner can dig inside his property, but we all know this Is unreal.

If it comes to rules and law here (germany) the land owner is NOT allowed to dig without permission from authority.

You have to have permission to dig as there "could" be a historical path right below where you're going to dig. Only Bayern/Bavaria is expected from those silly law. But thze good thing is, getting permission isn't that big thing. Digging (only the use of a detector) can cause a fee up to 100.000 €. Oh, and all the stuff used while detecting, car to drive to location, detector, tools, cellphone for documentation...etc. can be confiscated and you'll never get it back.

CPT_ GhostLight is correct by saying the british law rocks!

Hopefully the law in your country will not become that harsh. Best of Luck to you.

2 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Hi Vito,

the manual for the Deus ll (at least the English translated one that I browsed) has very good explanations and suggestions for the different modes, what targets they are designed for and hints at what frequencies are being used and why.

It does not give exact numbers but it gives way more information than what is included in the Equinox manual.

Sorry to be a little abrupt about this frequencies being used subject, but that really is proprietary information that XP, Nokta Makro and Minelab are trying to protect......from each other and especially from illegal cloners.

Hi Jeff. I totally agree and they may keep it secret, how they process the freqs. and what processors & processes & software and what else is used. But give us a clue how many freqs. and which are used in a MFM-Prog. What may work on your beaches may not work here; even EMI can make a big difference so using a different prog. using a different mix of freqs. can do a better job. That is all I say. And with that this is my last post about that theme in this thread as I do not want to hijack this thread, very sorry about this, Chase & Steve. My appologies.

One last annotation. - If you do not want the chinese will knock off your technology do not give them your technology to manufacture it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Low frequencies use more lower than high frequencies, so in mono mode, the lower the frequency chosen, the shorter the battery life. Lower weighted multi modes will also use more power, and it’s not impossible coil voltage output is varied in some modes.

It’s an INTRODUCTORY VIDEO! Not an in depth explanation of the frequencies used!!! That’s not the intent of the video, but hey, let’s hang XP for not explaining absolutely everything in a short INTRODUCTORY VIDEO. 

So it is, Steve. Depending to this the power-consumption shown in the user manual will have you to speculate what's going on in FMF-mode Prog.6 & Prog.10 as there the power drops faster than in mono-freq. mode. Can be a transmission-error but can also be of technical nature if they use a lower freq. in MFM-Mode what is not available in mono-freq. mode. - but that is speculation. So again, more informations will give more confidence. sry

10 hours ago, CPT_GhostLight said:

How much does the Arrow coil weigh?

Amazon states 448g. Seems to be like the 950ish eclipse. I'll see when mine arrives...😁

Hello. I think you've to start again winding the coils. In this video it is shown how to build a proper working coil.

Hope this helps...

Great environment, fresh air, good finds (I like the silver pin), and swinging a detector. Sounds absolutely GREAT to me.

Thanks for sharing.😊

8 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

You kind of lost me on this statement.  Is this a comment relevant to the Deus II or are you just pointing out that depth is not everything (truism)?  Not complaining, just trying to make sure I understand the context of the statement.  Thanks.

No, that wasn't a negative opinion about the Deus II as I do not own one AND I do not think it will be slower than the Deus or ORX, Chase. What I've seen about the XP-Detectors absolutely amazes me and makes me to want one in the future (sooner or later 🙄). So no, it really is the behavior that the advertisement will not cearly state what freqs. are used in FMF-modes. Not how the freqs. are processed or the software will do. There Steve & Jeff are correct, only the OUTPUT counts. But one can have a clue what to expect from the fieldwork if you know the freqs. the machine will process in SMF /  FMF.

Hope this make more sens!?

All the Best

3 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Gary’s Intro to Deus II.  See it here:

 

Forgot to mention that IT IS another great video from Gary, for sure. And if some one will bring some light into the darkness, Gary will be the one.

Thanks for sharing, Chase.

1 hour ago, Steve Herschbach said:

You care more about marketing than actual performance?

Knowing exact frequencies used and how they are processed in multi, is actually about as important as knowing the firing sequence for the spark plugs in your car or truck.

1 hour ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Whites made some very good detectors. They also went bye-bye due some business decisions that turned out to be wrong. Maybe publishing those frequencies was one of them while also touting those SMF detectors as being capable of handling all ground conditions well. They couldn't.

So, solid performance in all ground conditions is now one of the goals of newer SMF technology. I don't need to know what is happening under the hood.....just make it work.

Hmm... yes, you're correct in what you say, Jeff & Steve. And yes, THIS marketing got me. And I think it wasn't the performance of the detectors what made White's leave the game. There were more mistakes than you're willing to see. I never cared about how the machine was running, what really counted to me was build quality, service, spare-parts, batteries... you know, all that stuff to run the detector out doors without problems, and the simplicity of the machines language to tell what a traget should be. Oh, and the comfort the detector was/is offering, balance, grip, torque, stability, etc.

When talking about cars it is not important to me to know the firing sequence as long as I'm not going to do some service to the engine my self ( but if, than it will count ).

I never will buy a car like a smart with a plastic housing because I do not like to drive a Go-Kart.

I do not want to bash any detector brand. I had a lot of detectors from many countries and manufacturers but the one's I own at the moment fit best to me and my projects.

And by the way.... E-cars don't have a "firing-sequence"

Yes, performance counts, but also stability and the availability of the power source and accessoiries.

What is a deep machine good for if it is to slow to select different targets near by? To me in the environment I'm going to use it - worthless.

Time will show how the Deus 2 will perfom in different ground conditions, under water, wet sand, deserts and so on.

As I said, IMO & what works best for me.😉

What I do absolutely not understand is, why only White's Electronics told the customer how many and what frequencies they used in their detectors, and I think Garett is doing this, too. Exactly that was the reason what made me a White's customer - and if my machines lack, this will guide me to Garrett, hands down. ( and the ability to get quality 3rd party coils😉😁)

IMHO

Hello Matt. Welcome aboard. Nice to have ya here. Keep the finds coming... and you know, we love pictures.

Good Luck with your Vanquish 540. Happy Hunting and stay healthy.

 Wow. Sounds scary, but you had some fun and fresh air. Kepp us informed about the vertabrae.

Happy Hunting & Good Luck on your next one.

Great IH for sure and cleaned up very nice. Congrats & thanks for sharing.😎👍

Great thread, CPT_GhostLight.😄👍

Mine is nothing special, too, but it is really comfy and may carry all my detecting stuff.

16 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

That's the kind of no nonesense marketing I like to see.  A big thumbs up to Detech for this video.  I would like to see a drone shot of the entire 'lineup' but that's just the last knife-full of icing on the cake.

I really appreciate the 3rd party aftermarket coil manufacturers, particularly the ones that make coils for a wide range of detectors (besides Detech, Mars and Nel/Cors come to mind -- all Eastern European companies with manufacturing done there?).

And hats off to detector manufacturers who allow and cooperate with these 3rd party aftermarket companies.  Options, you can't have too many options....

That exactly is what made me really respectful to White's, GB_Amateur. They had contracts with Detech to do their accessories coils. And Detech did a great job on this IMO. Hopefully other manufacturers will do, too.

Today I was watching the web (again) to buy the Arrow for my White's. The only shop I came up with was one in Bulgaria so far. So I tried amazon but had no luck to find the Arrow for the DFX, but came up with this video... and thought it might be of some interest to some of you.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/H1VzUbJq2QS.mp4

Good Luck & Happy Hunting

7 hours ago, kac said:

My Tesoro has a lifetime warranty 🙂

Hope you saved the extra life in that game.

Yap, buy local is the way one should walk, but it's not practicable always.

Congratulations on your new tool. Good Luck & Happy Hunting. 😄👍

Great finds. Congrats. Thanks for sharing.👍

That's a nice unique find for sure. Congrats.👍 ...and good luck in finding the owner.

Welcome to Steve's great forums. Nice to have ya here.

Hello Momokahn. Welcome to the forums. Yup, you got it, tons of knowledge here... and some very nice and helpful people for sure, too. Great you logged in.