Tom_in_CA

4 hours ago, Raphis said:

,,,, but then it’s all up to the user and his tolerances/capabilities....

Well well well.   I wish you could see the look on my Nox 800 buddy, if he read the reply you're giving here.   Ie.: that it was just his " .... intolerance and lack of capability ", eh ?   🧐     So when are you coming up this way to do some dueling , eh ?  I'm willing to duel with a robot (after all some humans have beat computers at chess, eh ?)

And also, what do  you say to a *certain* Etrac user, who has compared flagged signals, that says that there's not a single deep flagged signal you show him , that he can't equally hear/call, and vice-versa ?   Wouldn't this mean that the Etrac, in the hands of the right user, is an equal adversary in deep-junky-park-turf ?

Raphis Dan :   It's not fair to compare your finds to anyone else's here.   Since you're not human.  You're a robot.   So it's not fair to compare our finds with you .  Tsk tsk.

If you ever want to get north to central coast, I've got some spots where I am perpetually kicking the butts of nox 800 users.  But .... they're not robots like you.  Would love to duel with a proficient robot user !   🤣

Although we/I prefer old coins, I sometimes make an exception "just for kicks and giggles", if the action is SO fast (carpets of clad) that.... it's fun just to see how many you can get in a period of time.   Like some spots were SO thick, that I just notched in quarters and up, and bagged 100+ quarters in a few hours.   Bummer that the USA doesn't have dollar and $5 coins like some other countries, do !    🙄

Great play by play post,  and great pix !

Good show.  There can't be a post from PA without a LC or colonial copper, eh ?   And I love the pix of that barber quarter.  The ground was kind to it.

11 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

....  Favorites today were the 1922 dog tax tag and ....

love that dog tag.

Luv Mexican reales !   Nice job.

Wow, 10 IH's in a pocket-spill .  That's something that very few can ever claim !

Love those on-site live digs, and the on-site field evaluations.    Thanx for bringing us along !!   The age indicators just drip with cool-ness and history.

Oh, and we have to divide Nevada in half *just to be fair*.   🙄 So from now on, you must stay east of the Battle mountain line.   Ok ?  And I promise to stay west of the Battle mountain line, eh ?  😘

thanx for sharing !

On 6/6/2021 at 12:58 PM, Gold Catcher said:

....  I have some off-limit areas in mind that I would love to get access to. ....

I'm not excluded from ANY area I choose.  And no, I don't wear high heels  🤣

I like the in-situ fresh reveal pix.   Those are the "come to papa" moments  🙂

11 hours ago, CVISChris said:

Found it with that junky DEUS Tom ....

Yeah yeah, yada yada.  But you know I could have found it with my Explorer.  Right ??  🤪

good job.

This is sick.  Just plain sick.   I went on a 2-day trek, only to come back with a sickly V nickel.   And you go and find a bust dime !   That's it, I'm planting a GPS device on your vehicle for sure now !   😜

I love all the "amens" and "atteboys".   But what strikes me as odd, is that some md'rs (not on this forum per se) will KNOCK THEMSELVES SILLY fretting over the nuances of whether a shovel is "metal or plastic".   Or whether their digging is construed as "probing" vs "digging" (since, gasp, they found some prohibition about "dig").   And all such worrying about whether or not they're technically obeying all laws.  

Yet when you show them that they're disobeying their state's L&F laws, they READILY chuckle and say "too bad" or "who really cares" or "so what" .   Why aren't they equally as worried and fretting about these laws, versus some silly ancillary language that *could* apply to hunting their local sandbox ?     Strange.

1 hour ago, schoolofhardNox said:

.... I'm trying to reach 200 silver coins from this beach this season (09/2020 thru 05/2021). If I'm lucky I have 2 more trips remaining to get 13 silvers....

Well at the current price of silver, let's hope you make it !

Good show !  Good pix.   Love that beach-kissed charcoal grey silver 🙂

Glenn:   Nice report !

11 minutes ago, Erik Oostra said:

Phew! I've seen the flip side of this at my local metal detecting club, where owners post on the club's facebook page hoping to recover their jewellery.. and sometimes offering huge rewards.. one woman offered a AU$ 1000 reward to find her lost wedding ring, plenty of punters took up the challenge but none ever found it 😬.. In this case the ring had a lot of sentimental value as her husband had passed away.. 

Yeah, I've seen that , where someone who's lost a ring, wises up to the fact that there's geographic specific FB md'ing pages.  And posting their plea for help.   And most of us md'rs like to put our hobby to use, and don't mind helping.  Posse hunting is fun, so ... no harm there.   But I've never heard of the reverse scenario, where they lurk to see if someone posts show & tell, and them swoop in and say "that's mine".

It's theoretically possible.  But I just have never seen it happen.

If anyone knows of a case of this "that's mine" scenario, let us know.  

28 minutes ago, Erik Oostra said:

Has there ever been a case of cops or owners monitoring forums such as this to find lost property? If so, were they successful? Could this lead to prosecution for the unfortunate detectorist for not handing it in (or even accusations of theft)? Or perhaps the detectorist was lucky and got a reward for her/his hard work?  

This has been mused many many times on many threads on md'ing forums.   The supposed fear that if you post a pix of your bragging rights ring, then:  What's to stop someone from saying "That's mine" ?  After all, they now have a picture to describe, and a general location, and so forth.   Your question is only a slight twist on that, in that you're asking about LEGITIMATE true L&F (where it truly IS the persons who is ID'ing it).

Either way, the answer is :  No.  This has not been an issue.   I have never heard of anyone lurking on forums (whether nefariously, or truly looking for their legit. lost ring), and then making a claim.

Because if this were a threat, then it's certainly not stacking up to reality.  Because a quick look down any md'ing forum's show & tell sections , and you see NO SHORTAGE of us md'rs posting our show & tell rings.  Right ?   And .... seriously now .... can anyone ever recall any of them that resulted in someone hopping on the forum and saying "That's mine" ?   I can't recall any incidents of this.   If someone can, please let us know.  But in the absence of any cases, I'd say this is an un-founded fear.  So go ahead and post away !   😅

14 minutes ago, GB_Amateur said:

I've seen an argument that USA coins are exempt from these 50 year, 75 year, 100 year or whatever is written in whichever law.  The 'reasoning' is that since any USA minted coin is legal tender still today, the antiquities law can't be used to override that principle.  I have no idea as to the strength of that argument.  Is there a legal precedent where this was applied (and which prevailed) in court?  That would be nice to have on one's side but it might take a fresh court challenge to find out.

I have heard the claim that ARPA exempts coins.  But not on the basis that you cite here.  Ie.: that "because it's still legal tender...".   That's a new one that I hadn't heard  before.  Very interesting.

The typical notion that "coins and bullets are exempted", is there's verbiage that alludes to something like that.  HOWEVER, I do not think that it follows through (if some archie wanted to make a stink).  Because, in context of where they're pulling that from, the "exempted" coins and bullets are :  Those that are not artifacts .  Or something like that. In other words, the "coins and bullets that are exempted" are going to be :  Those that are less than 50 yrs. old.  Doh !

Here's the bottom line in all of this :  NONE OF US wants to get into the debate of semantics, in the first place.   Thus I will simply make sure I'm detecting when there's no prying eyes or busy bodies in the first place.  And ... yes ... I never find old coins.  Do you ?  🤔

35 minutes ago, GB_Amateur said:

What about the antiquities laws?  (Which one?  Take your pick.)  ...

Good post.   "Cultural heritage" issues are always a part of any fed. or state land.   So that, even if some form of federal or state land has no laws that forbid md'ing, yet you're right:  It's going to be with the caveat that:  As long as the items you're finding don't bump into cultural heritage issues.

For example:  One time I was detecting a NFS campground in the Sierra Nevadas, that dated back to the CCC days (1930s).  A ranger truck *just happened* to drive past me.  He stopped, rolled down his window, and began to tell me : "You can't metal detect".  But after some casual conversation, he changed his tune and said : "You can detect, but if you find any coins 50 yrs. old or older,  you need to turn them in to the ranger station" (that was 25+ miles away, blah blah).  I replied "Ok".  He left, and I continued detecting.  And ... of course.... I did not find that 1920s walking half that day, nor the wheaties  🙄

State parks also invariably have some type of wording for cultural heritage, even when not *specifically* forbidding md'ing.  And not sure about other counties, by my county (Monterey County) does have some boiler plate verbiage for our county parks.   Not sure about city parks in CA.  I highly doubt they go to the trouble.   But if they do, it's simply "cut & paste" from other entities, and I highly doubt they *really* care if someone finds a 51 yr. old coin.

In this hobby, it's no longer a matter of "Know and obey all laws".  It's actually a matter of applying the "Does anyone really care ?" test of things.   And "don't swat hornet's nests by asking silly questions" test of things.  Yet, for some reason, some skittish md'rs will "fret themselves silly" as to whether or not a screwdriver constitutes "deface" or "dig", blah blah.   If those persons were alerted to the myriad of things that *could* be construed to apply to their actions (L&F, disturbing earthworms, cultural heritage, alter deface, harvest/remove, etc...) they would immediately drop this hobby, and take up needlepoint.

4 hours ago, rod-pa said:

the good part about finding 1800s and earlier coins....them folks is deceased

What if the value of the 1800s coin exceeds the value cutoff mark for your state's L&F laws ?   I know that some people will say that if the dime says "10c" on there, that the value is therefore 10c, right ?  But consider this true story :

There was a true story, from my area, where a nerdy loaner 4th grader kid took his dad's coin collection to school, for show & tell day (without his dad's knowledge or permission).  And during recess, the loaner kid began to pass out the coins to the school kids, to "make friends".  And those kids (who probably thought they were just play money), promptly went out into the school yard and lost most of them.

A few months later, imagine the surprise of a local md'r, who was only plying the sandbox, at this modern school, for loose change, began to find coins from the 1800s !  After finding 4 or 5 such bust halves, trade dollars, etc...., He rationalized "perhaps they came in with the sand, since, no doubt, the sand comes from the beach" (this school was only a few miles from the beach).  

One day, after he and his buddy had gotten up to 8 or 10 such coins, an after school janitor spotted one of them out there.  The janitor came out to tell them "Keep your eyes open for any super old coins, and let me know if you find any".  When the md'r went to ask him : "Why ?  What's up ?", the janitor told the md'r the story of the nerdy 4th grader.

Ok, so you tell me :  In-lieu of the CA L&F laws, do those coins belong to the lucky md'r ?  Or to the dad whose coin collection they came out of ?   If you were the dad, which side of this would you come down on ?

And while you may think "well .... that's an exception, since the entire story had been made known to the md'r", then :  What if the md'r had never met the janitor ?  And the dad spotted his coins being sold on ebay.   Who owns them know ?  Was the md'r in violation of L&F laws, if he hadn't met the janitor ?   Obviously the bust half is worth over $100, not .50c

Interesting legal issues !  Not that any of us are going to change our behaviors, but .... interesting ramifications.

2 hours ago, Valens Legacy said:

When my neighbor finds a ring or a piece of jewelry he goes to the local paper and they will run an ad for 30 days for free.

He asks the people who calls to describe the item and where it was lost. So far he has returned at least 6 rings that I know of. The other 50 or so has gone to market.

That is what I will do if I ever find something like that.

Technically, if the ring or piece of jewelry meets the cutoff valuation criteria for your state of Illinois L&F laws , then your friend is in violation.  The law makes no provision for  you to do your own repatriation attempt.   It will merely say to turn it in to the police.