On 11/19/2021 at 1:47 PM, Skullgolddiver said:

.... and apply as a template to show a different conduct proposal to the Senate of Republic in Rome during an audition with dealers and archaeologists....

 

 

Skullgolddiver, and everyone else who has contributed to this thread so far :

I would suggest to you, that the ONLY reason that such rules/laws exist, that skullgolddiver laments about , is PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE VERY KNEE-JERK REACTION HE PROPOSES !  (that's been done in the past, and that he proposes to do more of).

Yup, at the mere HINT of a "no" or a law or a rule (the mere question asking "is there any rules" or "can I metal detect") has the following reaction :  Sure as sh#t, people go asking "Can I ?" type questions to various desk jockeys.  After all, *who better to ask, than the bureaucrats in-control of said-location ?  Right ? After all, ya can't be too safe, eh ?   After all, you "don't want to get arrested", eh ?  After all, we need solidarity to fight for rights, eh ?

So whenever this has been done in the past, the pressing question gets bandied from desk to desk, until it lands on the desk of a purist archie.   And thus PRESTO : A "no" is passed back down.  Or a new rule or law is written to "address this pressing issue"   🤔   Same for attempts to "make compedium lists" (that detail the laws/rules of every geographic location)  :  Guess how people will go about making such lists.   SEE ? 

And then we all sit around lamenting our lack of freedoms.  And saying "durned them archies".  BUT NO ONE IS EVER ASKING WHAT PUT IT ON THAT ARCHIE'S DESK IN THE FIRST PLACE !  And the answer is :  It's us MD'rs !   By going and swatting hornet's nests !   🤬  Like by the very actions proposed here !

And then if anyone else (oldtimer md'rs) ever says :  "Nonsense, it's a non-issue. I detect there all the time.  No one cares".  Guess what someone else will do to "clarify this matter" ?  Yup, you guessed it :  Go ask a bored pencil pusher .  🥵   Don't you get it ?  Don't you all see the self-fulfilling vicious circle ??  

Just like skullgolddiver's thread here, stating his planned intended purpose :  To Go talk to archies in the senate.

Why is it, that whenever the slightest hint of a "no" surfaces (a single stink-eye, a single fluke scram, a single question on a forum) that IMMEDIATELY we md'rs seem to think that the MORE ATTENTION (petitions and so forth) is a good thing ?  Why ?  Why can't the LESS attention be the better thing ??  

I am of the opinion that the LESS that archies and senates think about us, the better.  Not the MORE they think about us.  Shheesshhh, It's as if we can be our own worst enemies   🙄

Plat & Chase :  Good play-by-play.  Good pix.   Thanx for bringing us along.

Hey Brian, great to get out and put a few more feathers in our caps.   We knew that we were primarily hunting "old news" spots.  But that too has its own set of "sport".  To add to our site-specific trays, add to the stories, etc....   Like I Got to try out my new Deus (aka "french poodle") @ some iron zones.  

And we Got to put a "fork" into another site or two.  🤪   Fun trip !

The only correction I would add, is that at 10:26, my reale is said to be 1797.  It is 1796.  Don't be trying to rob me of 1 yr. bro ! 🤣

Awesome write-up.   Awesome pictures.  Awesome video.   Thanx for bringing us along.  Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy !

This just goes to show :  People can loose the DARNDEST things.

 

Hey Tom, I should’ve known better, and my wife is an archaeologist! Don’t tell her what I said!😉

 

For a mere $100 (I accept PayPal), I can be persuaded not to tell her  😉

 

Riddle of the rainforest coin.   Ancient Egyptian visitors to Australia or miner's mishap?

                                                                 ....Link to Coin....

Ancient coins that show up in the oddest of places, does NOT mean that it was necessarily lost in-that-period.

For example :  I know a guy from Monterey, CA, who found an ancient coin, in an oldtown demolition site, which he got ID'd as something like AD 100 (an ancient Roman coin).   At no point did he think "Gee, the Romans were here in AD 100 ! ".  Instead he assumed it was probably a curiosity pocket piece brought back by a returning soldier after WWI or WWII from Europe.

Because coin collecting is not a new phenomenon.   There has been ancient coins bought/sold/traded since forever.   For example: When Egyptology became "all the rage" in the 1920s, then it wasn't unusual for street vendors in the holy land to hawk ancient coins to tourists, as souvenirs .  

And while it might seem unusual for someone in modern times to be carrying such an item and lose it via casual fumble fingers, yet :  As we know from our hobby :  PEOPLE LOSE THE DURNDEST THINGS !

For example:  When I was a kid with my first detector in the mid 1970s, I went up and down the parking strips in my 1950s neighborhood, angling for silver coins.   Imagine my surprise when I got an 1870s foreign silver coin !!  Woohoo !  But never for a moment did I think "Someone was here in the 1870s".  Instead I assumed it was a modern loss.  How did I know ?  Easy :  It was still in the bezel !  Doh !   But what if it had fallen out of the bezel ?

I knew a guy who found a seated half on the dry sand of a beach here.   How did he know it was a modern loss ?  Easy :  It was still in the plastic sleeve, from the coin-store with the price tag on it.  Doh !

So while it is unusual, it is possible that ancient coins do get lost in modern times, for a variety of reasons.

 

..... archaeologists have found rocks near the coast that appeared to be anchor stones, possibly from Asia. ...

This has been debunked.   Those anchor stones, that you speak of, that have been found off the west coast, have been shown to have still been in-use by the Chinese, even up to American period times here (gold rush, when, yes, Chinese came here on ships).  Thus they need not point to anything "ancient".

Yet for some strange reason, this story continues to circulate.   As if .... no one can resist a salacious story about how the Chinese were supposedly here 500 or 1000 yrs. before the Europeans, blah blah.   

good pix !

I like the landscape shots, and the gilt button.  Nice job .

Great photography.

Nice job.   A silver dime at 10" deep, with a fair enough TID to cause you to suspect it, is good turf depth !

sweet !

13 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

Ever wonder why there is a bad relationship between detectorists and archaeologists?  Now you know the answer.  Thanks, dipsh_t.

GB-Amateur, I agree that numb-nuts like this don't help our cause.  But on the other hand : I assure you that purist archie types will hate md'rs NO MATTER HOW SQUEAKY CLEAN we are.  To simply be seen detecting by purist archies (even at entirely legal spots), will cause them to have kittens.   They do not think that ANY private sector digging , for old cool things, is appropriate ANYWHERE.  

The soil was very kind to that IH.  Nice job.

11 hours ago, PimentoUK said:

....., and the last place you would choose is a 5000+ year old temple that PRE-DATES the use of metal objects by a few thousand years.....

Thanx PimentoUK .  Now I understand.

1 hour ago, PimentoUK said:

He's clearly an idiot for metal detecting on a STONE AGE site, that dates from about 3000 BC, all he's going to find is modern rubbish.

Persons in England and Europe detect "Stone Age sites" all the time.   It's just that *some* are sensitive protected historical sites, and others aren't.  

And I got a chuckle out of the idea that he'd just be getting tourist junk anyhow.   Haha.  Because, yes :  There's lots of tourists that visit this particular site, right ?  Hence bottle caps & pulltabs.    But if you talk to the hardcore guys that hit the farmer's fields of England and Europe (where stone age to Roman era villas once stood) they will tell you that they can some times go ALL DAY and not find any modern object Ie.:  no pulltabs or bottle caps or modern coins.   

Thus , yes, this guy is a Rookie for his ability to choose which sites to hit !  🤣

Wait, hold on ........ Am I understanding this correctly ?  He "posted on-line" ?  (I presume show & tell ?).   Ok, then pray-tell, did he put "found at Stonehenge " ?  WTF ?  🤪 

14 hours ago, maxxkatt said:

I have found with my Nox 800 by discrim out all below 23-24, recovery speed up around 6-7 and sensitivity down around 18 I can still pull old coins out of a heavily used county park that is full of modern trash.....

 

This is how us guys did, back in the late 1970s and into the 1980s, when discriminators were new, and motion disc. was new:  We were SO happy to FINALLY be able to reject foil and tabs, that we did JUST THAT .  Doh !  

Oh sure :  Kiss gold rings and nickels goodbye.  🙄  Sure. But it was fun to get silver coins, at a time when silver melt value was reaching all-time highs back then.   And sure, we had enough brains to lower our disc. control setting for the beach.  But for junky inner city parks, no one was being a hero in relic-dig-all mindset. 

I can think of a certain park in San Francisco, where I can dig a couple of silvers, and 10 or 12 wheaties, any time I'm passing through there. And I'm using the settings you describe.  Some other might gasp :  "Oh no, you're loosing depth or might miss a gold ring !".  But guaranteed, if they thought they were going to be a hero and strip-mine there, they wouldn't last 30 minutes, before reality hits them upside the head.  Doh !

23 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

Sufficiently old enough that I'm not familiar with the devices you refer to.  Would you please elaborate?

Do a google images search for "Compass 77b" and "Compass 94b"  

These are circa 1972 to 1975 -ish, all-metal TR machines.

When you say "valuable objects hidden within walls" , I assume you're talking about larger sized objects, right ?  (caches, and things like box and jar sized stuff).  Right ?  Not individual coins, right ?

Then if you're talking about cache hunting in walls, then ironically, the less sensitive the machine is, THE BETTER.  Doh !  So for example,  and old school 77b auto or 94b auto, would be perfect.   They do not see individual nails.   And are wimpy (depthwise) on coin sized targets. 

Or simply get a 2-box machine (although that would be difficult to man-handle sideways on walls and ceilings).   A 2-box machine will simply not hear anything smaller than a soda can.  Thus the perfect discriminator for nails, single coins, wires-in-walls, chicken screen (for reinforced plaster/lathe walls), etc...

Although the Chinese cashe coin might not be worth anything, yet I still love finding them.   Because like your post shows :  They are indicative that old key-date stuff is close behind 🙂

Great play-by-play.   You have an excellent ear for turf-cherry-picking !

Good question. 

Some of the hardcore guys hunting the Placerville to Grass Valley corridor told me they were in the $50 to $100 melt value range, per day, on average.   That was when gold was hovering at $2k per ounce several months ago.  And these guys are hardcore.  So ... probably not going to be replicated easily , nor worth long drives to "fish for $50" if you're not in a local scene where good spots are known to be.

But if their claims are even remotely true (even if you could say only $25 on average, after taking out fish-stories), it seems like better prospects than angling for gold rings.  But that depends on where you're hunting.  Some southern CA & Hawaii beach guys (where there's lots of warm-water swimming) have higher gold ring ratios than cold water beach guys.   And also depends on if it's beach hunters that *strictly* wait for mother nature's storms to erode.   Then, sure, gold ring ratios rise.   But those time frames might only come a few weeks in an entire year.

But if the question is just about dudes that ply the sand boxes and dry sand beaches, then I'd say that nugget hunters will average more, in-the-end, assuming they're hard-core nugget guys in right-spots.

Oh my gosh, that is absolutely beautiful !    Drips with history !   Strange how many French coins were showing up here in CA during that super early American period.   Was France one of the countries where Gold rush fever struck, and thus French folks were joining the rush to CA ?   We've found a few French coins of that era (whatever date would have been in circulation @ the early 1850s) at coastal sites of the same G.R. date range.   

Good job and great pix !