4 hours ago, locator said:

If it comes to rules and law here (germany) the land owner is NOT allowed to dig without permission from authority.

 

Locator :  I see oodles of show & tell posts from guys hunting in Germany.  From all ends of Germany.   I'm assuming that they've all gone and "gotten permission from authorities" ?  Or ... ?  🤔

5 hours ago, Skullgolddiver said:

....You'll finish to pay at least lawyer expences to clean the shit at the best....

 

skullgolddiver, when it comes to the platitudes of lawyers, fines, sued, etc... :  These slogans get tossed around frequently in these discussions .  But what's odd is, whenever you ask the person for cases of such things, you tend to hear the "sound of crickets".  

If any examples of such horrors ARE forthcoming, it's invariably someone night-sneaking obvious off-limits sites.  Or someone being obnoxious who can't take a warning.  Etc.....

Not saying to "throw caution to the wind".   But just sayin', if we're talking a place where there's NOT a true and express law (and it's just the result of a singular #$$hole griper busy-body ), then ..... seriously .... can you cite any examples of lawyers, finds, suits, etc... ?   My guess is "no".

Not saying to throw caution to the wind.  Perhaps you'll need to "give the place a rest".  And perhaps you'll have to avoid the singular #sshole in the future.   But the alternative of thinking you/we must 'rush to fight these things' and "seek clarification", can often backfire and bring ALL THE MORE un-wanted attention  🤢

14 hours ago, Clay Diggins said:

It's......

Clay, you say : "....It's legal to detect on any private property with written permission from the owner of the property in the United States...."

I would digress:   "Written permission" is not required.   Verbal is just fine.  

For example:  If you invite your buddy over to your house to watch the super bowl, does your buddy need "written permission" ?   Of course not.  Verbal is *just fine*.   SO TOO is it with md'ing .  Since when does md'ing need "written" permission ? Says who ?  Where are you getting this supposed stipulation ?  I'm very curious.

You say :  ".... You will need to inquire about each situation.... "

And the way to "inquire" (if you're skittish) is to look up laws/rules for yourself.  If there's nothing there that says "No md'ing", then presto :  Not prohibited.  No need to go ask anyone "Can I ?"

You say : ".... older than 100 years can not be searched for or kept on any of those federal public lands..."

In-so-far as it pertains to various forms of federal land (where md'ing is NOT dis-allowed), SURE  😇   It's allowed, yet only in-so-far as you're in compliance with ARPA.   Hence, sure, you're only hunting for modern objects, nuggets, meteorites, etc....  Right ?  🙄

I mean, seriously now :  Arpa was to protect *obvious historic sensitive monuments*.  We can all agree with that noble concern at such places.  Sure, that's the spirit of arpa's intent.  Ok, fine: Avoid obvious sensitive historic monuments and archie conventions.

You say :  "... Treasure hunting is illegal on federal public lands without a special use permit issued by the managing agency....".

What is your source for this ?  And what is the definition of "treasure" as used here ?  You mean caches, right ?  Not individual coins, right ?  Ok, sure.  But if you meant "coins", then no, I disagree.   If you have a source that says otherwise, please link it.

8 hours ago, Skullgolddiver said:

My 2 cents...

 

 

skullgolddiver :  Point duly noted.   I realize that when an injustice is ALREADY IN PLACE, then it *really doesn't matter* HOW it evolved.  Ie.:  PRIOR to your current predicament.  Eh ?  

So even if the current bruhaha is ONLY because persons PRIOR to this went and swatted hornet's nests (about cultural heritage bologna), then :  All you can do is deal with the CURRENT scram.  And can't-change-that-past.   Right ?  Have I understood you correctly ?

If so, I understand your lament.   So who can fault you for defending yourself and wanting to change the laws.   Right ?  And we can both agree that it's an uphill battle.  And guess whose desk the issue will land on , in any-attempt to change the evolution ?  :  Purist archies.  Hence a further-downward-spiral 😞

I hate to say it, but in cases like this, I would focus on this statement of yours :

"....At a certain time the man called the Police with the National Number ...."

Notice that THIS is where your troubles started.  Right ?   So it's really not an issue of the laws/rules he "called down" (and their evolution).  It's a function of this lone kill-joy, who chose to be an #sshole, right ?  

Then if you ask me, our goal, in cases like this, is NOT to "change the laws" (because it will never happen).   And it's not to convert this person or others to our point-of-view.  Instead, IMHO, it's now our goal to AVOID singular lookie-lous like this.   OH SURE !  I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO CONVERT HIM !   I would much prefer to change the laws.  GRANTED !   I'm just saying that , it aint likely gonna happen.

So my tactic is to 1) give lip service,   2) pay my dues for whatever singular episode occurred , and then  3) do it all over again, but *the next time* avoid said-singular-lookie-lou.

Some people might call that "sneaking around".  Ok, fine then :  SNEAK AROUND   😞

On 11/19/2021 at 1:47 PM, Skullgolddiver said:

.... and apply as a template to show a different conduct proposal to the Senate of Republic in Rome during an audition with dealers and archaeologists....

 

 

Skullgolddiver, and everyone else who has contributed to this thread so far :

I would suggest to you, that the ONLY reason that such rules/laws exist, that skullgolddiver laments about , is PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE VERY KNEE-JERK REACTION HE PROPOSES !  (that's been done in the past, and that he proposes to do more of).

Yup, at the mere HINT of a "no" or a law or a rule (the mere question asking "is there any rules" or "can I metal detect") has the following reaction :  Sure as sh#t, people go asking "Can I ?" type questions to various desk jockeys.  After all, *who better to ask, than the bureaucrats in-control of said-location ?  Right ? After all, ya can't be too safe, eh ?   After all, you "don't want to get arrested", eh ?  After all, we need solidarity to fight for rights, eh ?

So whenever this has been done in the past, the pressing question gets bandied from desk to desk, until it lands on the desk of a purist archie.   And thus PRESTO : A "no" is passed back down.  Or a new rule or law is written to "address this pressing issue"   🤔   Same for attempts to "make compedium lists" (that detail the laws/rules of every geographic location)  :  Guess how people will go about making such lists.   SEE ? 

And then we all sit around lamenting our lack of freedoms.  And saying "durned them archies".  BUT NO ONE IS EVER ASKING WHAT PUT IT ON THAT ARCHIE'S DESK IN THE FIRST PLACE !  And the answer is :  It's us MD'rs !   By going and swatting hornet's nests !   🤬  Like by the very actions proposed here !

And then if anyone else (oldtimer md'rs) ever says :  "Nonsense, it's a non-issue. I detect there all the time.  No one cares".  Guess what someone else will do to "clarify this matter" ?  Yup, you guessed it :  Go ask a bored pencil pusher .  🥵   Don't you get it ?  Don't you all see the self-fulfilling vicious circle ??  

Just like skullgolddiver's thread here, stating his planned intended purpose :  To Go talk to archies in the senate.

Why is it, that whenever the slightest hint of a "no" surfaces (a single stink-eye, a single fluke scram, a single question on a forum) that IMMEDIATELY we md'rs seem to think that the MORE ATTENTION (petitions and so forth) is a good thing ?  Why ?  Why can't the LESS attention be the better thing ??  

I am of the opinion that the LESS that archies and senates think about us, the better.  Not the MORE they think about us.  Shheesshhh, It's as if we can be our own worst enemies   🙄

Plat & Chase :  Good play-by-play.  Good pix.   Thanx for bringing us along.

Hey Brian, great to get out and put a few more feathers in our caps.   We knew that we were primarily hunting "old news" spots.  But that too has its own set of "sport".  To add to our site-specific trays, add to the stories, etc....   Like I Got to try out my new Deus (aka "french poodle") @ some iron zones.  

And we Got to put a "fork" into another site or two.  🤪   Fun trip !

The only correction I would add, is that at 10:26, my reale is said to be 1797.  It is 1796.  Don't be trying to rob me of 1 yr. bro ! 🤣

Awesome write-up.   Awesome pictures.  Awesome video.   Thanx for bringing us along.  Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy !

This just goes to show :  People can loose the DARNDEST things.

 

Hey Tom, I should’ve known better, and my wife is an archaeologist! Don’t tell her what I said!😉

 

For a mere $100 (I accept PayPal), I can be persuaded not to tell her  😉

 

Riddle of the rainforest coin.   Ancient Egyptian visitors to Australia or miner's mishap?

                                                                 ....Link to Coin....

Ancient coins that show up in the oddest of places, does NOT mean that it was necessarily lost in-that-period.

For example :  I know a guy from Monterey, CA, who found an ancient coin, in an oldtown demolition site, which he got ID'd as something like AD 100 (an ancient Roman coin).   At no point did he think "Gee, the Romans were here in AD 100 ! ".  Instead he assumed it was probably a curiosity pocket piece brought back by a returning soldier after WWI or WWII from Europe.

Because coin collecting is not a new phenomenon.   There has been ancient coins bought/sold/traded since forever.   For example: When Egyptology became "all the rage" in the 1920s, then it wasn't unusual for street vendors in the holy land to hawk ancient coins to tourists, as souvenirs .  

And while it might seem unusual for someone in modern times to be carrying such an item and lose it via casual fumble fingers, yet :  As we know from our hobby :  PEOPLE LOSE THE DURNDEST THINGS !

For example:  When I was a kid with my first detector in the mid 1970s, I went up and down the parking strips in my 1950s neighborhood, angling for silver coins.   Imagine my surprise when I got an 1870s foreign silver coin !!  Woohoo !  But never for a moment did I think "Someone was here in the 1870s".  Instead I assumed it was a modern loss.  How did I know ?  Easy :  It was still in the bezel !  Doh !   But what if it had fallen out of the bezel ?

I knew a guy who found a seated half on the dry sand of a beach here.   How did he know it was a modern loss ?  Easy :  It was still in the plastic sleeve, from the coin-store with the price tag on it.  Doh !

So while it is unusual, it is possible that ancient coins do get lost in modern times, for a variety of reasons.

 

..... archaeologists have found rocks near the coast that appeared to be anchor stones, possibly from Asia. ...

This has been debunked.   Those anchor stones, that you speak of, that have been found off the west coast, have been shown to have still been in-use by the Chinese, even up to American period times here (gold rush, when, yes, Chinese came here on ships).  Thus they need not point to anything "ancient".

Yet for some strange reason, this story continues to circulate.   As if .... no one can resist a salacious story about how the Chinese were supposedly here 500 or 1000 yrs. before the Europeans, blah blah.   

good pix !

I like the landscape shots, and the gilt button.  Nice job .

Great photography.

Nice job.   A silver dime at 10" deep, with a fair enough TID to cause you to suspect it, is good turf depth !

sweet !

13 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

Ever wonder why there is a bad relationship between detectorists and archaeologists?  Now you know the answer.  Thanks, dipsh_t.

GB-Amateur, I agree that numb-nuts like this don't help our cause.  But on the other hand : I assure you that purist archie types will hate md'rs NO MATTER HOW SQUEAKY CLEAN we are.  To simply be seen detecting by purist archies (even at entirely legal spots), will cause them to have kittens.   They do not think that ANY private sector digging , for old cool things, is appropriate ANYWHERE.  

The soil was very kind to that IH.  Nice job.

11 hours ago, PimentoUK said:

....., and the last place you would choose is a 5000+ year old temple that PRE-DATES the use of metal objects by a few thousand years.....

Thanx PimentoUK .  Now I understand.

1 hour ago, PimentoUK said:

He's clearly an idiot for metal detecting on a STONE AGE site, that dates from about 3000 BC, all he's going to find is modern rubbish.

Persons in England and Europe detect "Stone Age sites" all the time.   It's just that *some* are sensitive protected historical sites, and others aren't.  

And I got a chuckle out of the idea that he'd just be getting tourist junk anyhow.   Haha.  Because, yes :  There's lots of tourists that visit this particular site, right ?  Hence bottle caps & pulltabs.    But if you talk to the hardcore guys that hit the farmer's fields of England and Europe (where stone age to Roman era villas once stood) they will tell you that they can some times go ALL DAY and not find any modern object Ie.:  no pulltabs or bottle caps or modern coins.   

Thus , yes, this guy is a Rookie for his ability to choose which sites to hit !  🤣

Wait, hold on ........ Am I understanding this correctly ?  He "posted on-line" ?  (I presume show & tell ?).   Ok, then pray-tell, did he put "found at Stonehenge " ?  WTF ?  🤪 

14 hours ago, maxxkatt said:

I have found with my Nox 800 by discrim out all below 23-24, recovery speed up around 6-7 and sensitivity down around 18 I can still pull old coins out of a heavily used county park that is full of modern trash.....

 

This is how us guys did, back in the late 1970s and into the 1980s, when discriminators were new, and motion disc. was new:  We were SO happy to FINALLY be able to reject foil and tabs, that we did JUST THAT .  Doh !  

Oh sure :  Kiss gold rings and nickels goodbye.  🙄  Sure. But it was fun to get silver coins, at a time when silver melt value was reaching all-time highs back then.   And sure, we had enough brains to lower our disc. control setting for the beach.  But for junky inner city parks, no one was being a hero in relic-dig-all mindset. 

I can think of a certain park in San Francisco, where I can dig a couple of silvers, and 10 or 12 wheaties, any time I'm passing through there. And I'm using the settings you describe.  Some other might gasp :  "Oh no, you're loosing depth or might miss a gold ring !".  But guaranteed, if they thought they were going to be a hero and strip-mine there, they wouldn't last 30 minutes, before reality hits them upside the head.  Doh !

23 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

Sufficiently old enough that I'm not familiar with the devices you refer to.  Would you please elaborate?

Do a google images search for "Compass 77b" and "Compass 94b"  

These are circa 1972 to 1975 -ish, all-metal TR machines.

When you say "valuable objects hidden within walls" , I assume you're talking about larger sized objects, right ?  (caches, and things like box and jar sized stuff).  Right ?  Not individual coins, right ?

Then if you're talking about cache hunting in walls, then ironically, the less sensitive the machine is, THE BETTER.  Doh !  So for example,  and old school 77b auto or 94b auto, would be perfect.   They do not see individual nails.   And are wimpy (depthwise) on coin sized targets. 

Or simply get a 2-box machine (although that would be difficult to man-handle sideways on walls and ceilings).   A 2-box machine will simply not hear anything smaller than a soda can.  Thus the perfect discriminator for nails, single coins, wires-in-walls, chicken screen (for reinforced plaster/lathe walls), etc...