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Hi Everyone, Thank you again for the replies and helping. Hence forth I'll try and keep things simple by replying in one post. I realize now replying to everyone just plugged up the thread, plus I ended up repeating myself. Which makes it harder/worse for everyone. My apologies. First to share, In trying to learn more about coils, I came across a thread. I wish it had read this thread, before starting this one! https://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/529-big-coil-for-gpx-5000 The entire thread is worth reading, but I'll pull a few pieces of relevant info over. From Steve: From Jonathan Porter: This all makes great sense, and the understanding is hugely helpful. Seems like the 11' round and 17x13 might be an ideal primary combo for me. 17x13 will help me cover the large areas faster, with a hair of depth. The 11" in the more wooded areas and steep slopes. I can add a smaller elliptical when I get into tight quarters. As for outright depth, hopefully Minelab does release (or allow) a larger depth focused coil. From what JP shared, maybe a 18 or 20" round would be a good all around compromise for everyone? It would help me with what I'm searching for (pun intended). 😉 To reply to people: @phrunt said: Isn't that the truth! My brain works the same way. Which is why I try to preempt it with reading, and trying to develop a more solid understanding before I buy. I've decided I really like the idea of the 6000 now, and waiting to see what comes down the pipe, there are several ways I could go after. No local agents, I'm ordering blind, thus all the reading and questions. Thanks. @geof_junk Thank you. I found this very helpful. I wish I had discovered these threads before I launched this long post. I could have saved everyone some trouble. @jrbeatty Thank you for sharing. I'll dive in and read the thread. Based on a quick scan, that nugget looks lovely. I wish we got things like that around here. Age wise, I'm somewhere in the middle. Hmmm, I think this means mid life. @Gold Catcher Thanks for sharing. I wasn't thinking the 6000 was a beginners machine or inferior tech, as much as 7000 can favour more advanced users who can understand its nuances. I'm game for the benefits I read about with the 6000. I just needed to better understand how coil design and size related to depth. Quite frankly, I wrongly assumed it was the 17" over the 11" was giving depth, where as Steve shares above its the width. So 11 vs 13, not much more, but a little. I'll grab glass of scotch and jump into the x-coil thread. I am going to buy a 6000, use it, learn it, enjoy it. Then wait and sees what else comes down the pipe. Thank you for taking the time to respond. @Northeast Gotcha. thanks for clarifying. It is all making more sense to me now. @MSC I may yet consider an older GPX with large search coil, just for those area where I want to punch really deep. In the meantime, I'll also wait and see what else is released. Thank you, I think I will very much enjoy a 6000. Thanks again everyone, Nick

In our area, we're primarily looking at multi-gram. I shared on the previous page, but primarily .3g to 5g. Multi ounce is the rare exception, I wish it was the norm. 🙂 And as shared, the river has been heavily worked over. I'm not working there. I'm getting off the beaten path hunting for older previous deposits. Of which, sometimes there is lots of overburden and covering materials. Or trying to detect/punch into a hillside, or hydro cannoned bank. I do apologize for the longer replies. I realize it makes it more work to pick through, and see what I'm saying. Sorry. Thank you for the help you've provided thus far. It is very much appreciated. This post is a light bulb moment. Thank you! 👍 I wasn't aware of the 64x rule, but it makes sense. I'm aware of inverse square (and use it a lot). Makes total sense now. Thanks for sharing 🙂 The light went on. This really helps me understand the relation with size and energy. Its very helpful. Thank you. I'm starting to understand. All day comfort makes sense. As does gold yield. Although this isn't just a financial equation for me. I also want to have fun, it's a hobby. And I enjoy the hunt, and like the idea of a little larger pieces. Even if it's less yield when I do. I like variety in my days and weeks. I think thats part of the reason I wanted a well rounded machine, and why I was so intent on trying to understand the overall picture. As I shared above, I am now favouring the idea of a new 6000. Then I can see what happens with large coil releases (for those times I want to try that hunt), and/or get a dedicated used machine for this. I didn't even think of the idea of a trade, but that makes sense too. Thanks again. "Separated in terms of inches". That is very helpful. I wasn't sure if the Z would be punching 20-40% deeper. In terms of terrain, I think I've tried to paint a good picture now. The really terrain really varies. I agree about the 19" in the steep areas. I was looking at it for flatter and easier areas, where the extra depth would be nice. Thanks for your explanation/summary of the 6000 and 7000, that's really helpful. It is not just the answers I want, I really like having the understanding, the reason behind the answer. This really helps, thanks. In terms of the glacial stuff. I'm trying to work around it. Shallower ground is what I'm after. I'm trying to high grade. Do things the old timers couldn't do. Detect the areas they opened up with hydraulic cannons. Hunt the hillsides they couldn't detect. Try to find shallow bedrock where it gets near the surface, etc. Plus find the places modern prospectors haven't worked too hard, or better yet, virgin ground. This is the reason I was wondering so much about depth. Your explanations are really helpful here. Thank you! I just want to fully wrap my mind around things. 🙂 It's both a blessing and a curse.

I'm not really wanting a detector for tight spaces. As shared, the river has been worked over hard. The gold in the river now is primarily smaller which is being annually redeposited. I have been panning it for years. Its not really detector type material. Its material fit for a highbanker. I'm trying off the beaten path. Looking to find new areas and deposits. Many of the places tend to be more open. Trees have room between them in the more mild areas. Hillsides have room to move, etc... and there tends to be more depth of material. So I'm currently favouring a bigger coil, which can cover more ground, and have some reasonable depth. That said, I'm certainly happy they are making smaller coils. At some point I will want one. But I have years of area to scan with a bigger coil first. I am. 🙂. I'm trying to soak in as much as possible, and wrap my mind around things. Thank you for all the effort you've put into this forum. It is much appreciated! Thanks for sharing. I hear what your recommendation is. I do see many advantages to the 6000. I'm also curious if you can add anything to my depth questions regarding the 6000? As shared that is important to me. Can you help paint a picture how the 6000/17 does compared to the 7000? In terms of small coils, as shared just above, I'm not looking to poke about in the river. Rather cover ground and find new unworked areas. Out of curiosity, why you don't recommend the 7000? Is it primarily because of its weight and the terrain? Or because of it's learning curve? Just trying to understand. I'm happy to put the effort and hours in. Everyone does have to start somewhere. I do understand the weight issue, thats not lost on me. I'm just trying to fully understand each's strength and weakness so I can pick the best overall compromise.

Thanks for the reply. The size of the 6000 is very alluring, no doubt there. I actually would like to try swinging a 7000/14 or 7000/19 for a while, even if to just gain some personal understanding and experience with it. The small gold comment makes sense to me. I just wanted to better understand the trade off with bigger gold and depth. In terms of bushwacking, this is an area where I have a big advantage. As a whole our forrests aren't nearly as thick as the coastal ones. While there is a mix, they are more arid than people realize. I think many would be surprised. I'll try and take some pics this weekend. That said, we do get a good range. But much if it is open, and has been previously logged. It's not too bad. As for digging junk targets, I fully anticipate I'll be digging more. There is a lot of old timer trash around here. Thanks for your input. Interesting with your skill comment regarding the GPX. I guess once a person gets used to the 6000 or 7000 way of doing things, switching ones mindsets takes some active mental work? I'm happy to learn the quirks and nuances of the machine I end up with. I know its part of the process. As for the large coils with the GPX, now that the GPZ is out (and Minelab controls who is can make aftermarket coils), it wouldn't surprise me if you're right. Large GPX coils may have ended with the 5000. Hopefully not. I genuinely hope Minelab realizes not everyone can buy both machines. I hope they don't artificially limit the 6000, just so the 7000 doesn't feel threatened. I fully anticipate v2 of the ZVT technology to take a good step forward. Thats often how technology works these days. Invent new technology, then refine it. I think the GPZ series is always going to be a step a head of the GPX solely based on ZVT tech. Being somewhat remote and shielded by the mountains, EMI isn't bad around here. That said we do have lots of blacksands which makes things harder. With the 7000, I think I could get used to the weight. I'm about 180cm and 90kg. Would I like smaller? Sure. Could I get used to the 7k with a bungee or arm support? I think so. Although, no doubt, smaller and lighter is much better. In terms of the 5000 and larger coils, that is why I'm hoping Minelab either makes one, or allows others too. I think the latest in the GPX line with a big coil would suit me just fine. This is a really interesting idea, and made me do a 180 mentally. Really, this single idea changed my entire train of thought. Thank you! For the price of a new 7000 kit and coils, I could buy a 6000 kit AND a used 5000 with a larger coil specifically for depth. Essentially I can have my cake and eat it too. Nice, I like it! 😃 😛 Which then led me to the next thought..... People seem to anticipate the 7000 replacement with in a few years. Once that happens, an original used GPZ might drop to half of current price? Thus if I get a 6000 now, I could perhaps add a used 7000 later. Maybe for a similar price of buying a new GPZ set up today. I can only hope. In the meantime, the choice is clear. Get a 6000. And see what happens: Perhaps a depth focused coil will be released at some point. Perhaps do a used 7000 later, once the replacement is released Or perhaps the GPZ mark 2 blow all our minds. The size/weight of a 6000, with more depth than the current Z. Or something of the sort. Either way, sell the 6000 and upgrade. I like the options this approach brings me. Thank you for putting this idea in my head! Many thanks. Based on the above reply, I am heavily leaning towards the 6000 now. As for learning where gold is. It has been a process. One which I am very much enjoying. I get to combine hiking and being outside, along with learning about geology. Mix in a little challenge, and the allure of some buried treasure. I'm very much enjoying this hobby. Thanks. I enjoy the hunt too. Having both machines really does seem like the best option. Use each for what they excel at. Thanks to some of the kind advise and thoughts above, I may be able to do this. Having a second/back up detector is nice too. I am very interested in trying to find some of the larger deeper nuggets. I know they are there. I think shallow hidden bedrock, or old hydraulic mined banks are my best chance. Which is why I don't want to entirely give up on having a machine with good depth. Thanks for sharing. Sorry to hear about your dislocated shoulder. I do see the allure to the lovely little 6000. However, I do think I could get used to a 7000 too. In terms of vegetation, I don't think it's as bad as people think. Or perhaps others are just used to desert, so it seem bad to them? I'm also used to a costal rain forrest, so an inland semi arid forrest (up in the mountains) doesn't seem very bad. Perhaps it's all relative? The famous experiment/example with 3 buckets of water comes to mind. One bucket is filled with hot water (around body temp 37c/98.6f), one with cold water (ice water) and the last with warm water (in the middle for temperature). A person puts one hand in the hot bucket, and the other in the cold bucket. 30 seconds later they place both hands in the warm bucket. Even though both hands are now in the same temperature water, the hand which was previously in hot water now feels very cold, the hand which was previously in cold water now feels burning hot. As human we really do measure things on a relative scale. The phenomenon works wether we are consciously aware of it, or not. Taken another step: imagine a previous version of the GPZ which weighed 12.5lbs, the new 7.3lb version would seem like a godsend. The power of the first one, with this new lighter weight... it would fly off the shelves. Or alternatively when contrasting the current 6000 with the 7000. The 6000 seems so much better. Thanks for sharing. It's much appreciated. I know the 6000 is fantastic for the smaller gold. I was just trying to consider the best overall package. Which is why I was wondering so much about the 6000/17 depth capabilities. From looking more on youtube, most peoples tests do show the 17" mono hits the marginal targets with more authority, then goes a little deeper before it offers up a marginal reading. A 15-20% increase seems somewhat common across the board (compared to the 11" mono). I do expect the 7000/19 combo to be heavy. It would primarily be on flatter terrain and easier spots. For example, I found a high bench which I don't think has been worked much (based on the age of the trees). Based on the few bedrock outcroppings the river didn't flow there for very long. I would like to be able to work these areas, plus scan for other places where the bedrock gets close to the surface. I might get lucky, or I might find very little, but I would like to try. If I get the 6000, I just want it to do a reasonably good job here. To satisfy my mind if the results are so so. If you find the posts about larger coils coming for the GPX6, please let me know. As for a GPZ 8000, thats my new plan C above 😉 Thanks again.

Thank you to everyone who replied. I'll go through and try to respond to everyone in my next post (if I can). I can see 64% of you are onboard with the 6000. Mostly because of the gold size, or weight, or both. This makes sense. However one element which is extremely important to me is depth. I do apologize for my lengthly first post, and I anticipate many people skipped it. But depth is important to me, for reasons shared above. Only a few people addressed this. Currently (and this *might* change) I am looking at one machine to do everything. Each machine will be compromised in some way. I would like to better understand the nature of the compromises (some of you shared here, and thank you). But big picture, I don't want to pull the trigger on the 6000 until I better understand how it compares in depth wise. We all know the 7000 is better here. But how much better? Please help me understand. Thanks, Nick. More replies to come....

Here are some photos showing the type of gold which comes out of this area. These are from the Nip & Tuck mine Facebook page. Steve (Nip & Tuck) has a machine digging placer operation and can move a lot of material. These photos are over various years. The deposits do vary. Note: My gold is nothing like this. Mine has been smaller fine gold panned from the river. I want my gold to be like this. 😉 But this is what's here, once you can get into some fresh gravels. Finding them is the key. I'm hoping a detector could be used to help me find areas quicker. As a side, Steve was recently on Freddy Dodge's mine rescue. It is worth a watch. As you'll see, some years are better than others. He's had some real lean years recently. Sometimes you move heaps of material and don't get much.

Hi Guys, New forum member here. My 40th birthday is coming up, and my wife's onboard with a new machine. I'm thinking the GPX 6000 or GPZ 7000. I can only afford one, plus an extra coil or two. I could use see help deciding. This is not a case of what detector is better; this is a case of which detector is better for me. Overall, I have done a lot reading on the forum (and watching youtube videos) trying to get up to speed. Many thanks to all who post here sharing their experience. Thank you Steve, JP, and everyone else who has contributed. Seriously, thank you guys for the wealth of knowledge. For fun, I've also set up a poll. But I would very much appreciate written responses and dialog. I realize this got long. But I wanted to explain my use case. I've tried to summarize, skim over as you see fit. *************** Background info: I'm a long time hand panner, I also run a Gold Monster 1000. I'm primarily work in the Rocky Mountains in BC Canada; on the site of a major gold rush (Wild Horse River). Terrain wise, it's very similar the Rocky Mountains in Colorado. I'm currently working a mix of friends and acquaintances claims, or other claims in the area. Sometimes (rarely) I make trips to other regions. Since the 1860's gold rush, the river and source creek have been heavily worked over the years. Typically I stick to areas less worked. Lots of hillsides, newly washed out areas, old tailings, water cannon bowls (aka; hydraulic mining), old possible gravel channels, difficult to access old ledges, etc... Outside of the river, typically there is 12-15ft of material to bedrock. Either covered with layers glacial till, or old river gravels from as it moved, or both, plus overburden. The bedrock does surface in places. The area's where it peaks out have been previously worked, but I'm hoping they could be reworked with a better detector. I would like to find areas where the bed rock gets near the surface (say within a few feet), but doesn't break through, and thus are still virgin ground. These represent great potential if I can find them. As a side, not many people seem to use detectors up here. Those that do usually have a Gold Monster. I've been told most people who have shown up with them (non locals) usually give up. Partially because of the limited access to claims (it takes time to make friends), and the lack of understanding of the area, and how it's been worked. As I've shared, it's been heavily worked. Almost all the easy gold is gone. Part of why I want a detector to try and speed up the discovery of new areas. Another thing I would like to try is, to dig holes in areas which are known to be gold bearing, and try to find pockets with the detector. Extend its reach so to speak. Which I can then work with a high banker if water is available. Or with a detector where access is remote/difficult and/or water is no longer available. So there is really a mix of scenario's and use cases. I would like to use the detector both as a primary and secondary tool. *************** Gold wise: This varies depending where you are, and the claim. Beyond fine gold which is continually moved and redeposited in the river, small pickers are the most common. Many in the 0.3 - 0.5g range. Large ones are in the 1-2 gram range. Really nice larger ones are up to the 5 gram range. Anything over that would be considered exceptional in this area (based on what's being found currently, that people are willing to talk about anyways 😉 ). This type of variety would represent a regular season for those who work a good claim. However, larger nuggets do come out. The largest I can personally vouch for is just over 2oz (seen below). The record was 36oz during the original gold rush. I've shared photos below for reference. *************** Ground wise: There are lots of hot rocks here, of multiple types. Lots of iron, so heaps of magnetite and some pyrites, galena, etc). I can't say it's as bad is Australia, but it's not great. Even the gold monster jumps back and forth. I dig all targets. Not to mention all the old timer trash, and even more modern trash.... I do wonder if the DD coil will outperform the mono's here. The 19" Super D looks very attractive. *************** Now, 6000 or 7000? Here's a quick summary of my understanding, starting with the high points: 6000: Great all around machine. Excels at small (sub gram) gold. Super light, easy, and fun to use. Very zippy. Ergonomics are great, which is not to be underestimated. Over all good value for money. Almost like a Gold Monster, SDC2300 and GPX5000 in one upgraded machine, which is better than all of them, while being lighter. 7000: Takes more skill. One must work slower and more methodically. Keeping good coil control, paying attention... but once learned it's a fantastic all around detector. What it gives up in small gold (where the 6000 excels) it gains with big deep stuff. It's still king, but very heavy and much more expensive. Weak points: 7000: I see three weakness. Its first weakness is with small gold, which can be mostly mitigated with a NF12 coil. Its heavy weight will always be there, so wear a harness and deal with it. Finally, it costs a lot more in Canada. Compared with a 6000 kit + 17", the 7000 kit + 19" costs 54% more. I have no idea why the price jump is so big here. Plus more money for the NF12 on top of this. 6000: Weak points are depth and heavy mineralization. I can deal with the mineralization, in that I dig all targets (although less digging is better). But its depth capabilities is what I'm most wondering about. How much can this be helped with the 17" mono coil? And what is the likelihood a better coil for larger deeper gold will come out? Something like the 19" Super D would be ideal (Minelab, please make a larger D coil which can punch deep! Or let someone else. 🙂 ). These are probably my two biggest questions. As trying to find shallow bedrock is something I see good potential with. Otherwise the 6000 seems like the machine for me. **** Help me Decide: Kit wise, I'm thinking either: 6000 kit. Plus the 17" mono. And I pray a bigger coil (for larger deeper gold) comes out eventually. 7000 kit. Plus the 19" and probably a NF12. I think this covers all bases. Both machines make trade offs. Both are good. I'm just trying to decide which is right for me. I go back and forth here. The 6000 fantastic for sub gram stuff. I much prefer its price and weight. I'm just not sure how much benefit the 17" mono will bring to depth. If I knew a larger coil would come out later, to help me hunt deeper, I would probably take the 6000. As I want to find areas of shallow bedrock close to the surface, and speed up the discovery of new patches which can be worked. 7000: The 7000 does do everything. At the expensive of price and weight. The NF12 closes the gap on the small stuff. The 19" is great for the deep stuff. Overall a great combo. Price wise (while expensive) I can probably swing it (pun intended 😉 ). Buy once, cry once. But the weight never goes away... I would love to get everyones input. I think depth is potentially my biggest concern (based on how close it gets), with weight, then price being close behind. How much depth does the 6000/17 give up to the 7000/19? Secondly, what are the odds a depth focused coil will come out for the 6000? If one does come out, how close to the 7000/19 do people think it will get? Depth could potentially get better with a new coil (if Minelab allows it). However, weight and price of the 7000 never will. I can see pro's and con's to both for my situation. Ideally I would have both, but I need to choose one. Thus I defer to the greater community who has vastly more experience, many of whom have run both machines at length. Please help me decide. I'm flip flopping. Many Thanks, Nick

Thanks Guys. I'm currently debating the 6000 and 7000. I can only get one, so I need to choose. I'm reading everything here before I ask questions. But I do have a one or two questions. I may ask them soon. Hi Valens, I haven't been over that way yet. It's about 5hrs from here. Sounds like you have a good trip. There's quite a few good gold areas in BC. 🙂 Although something to keep in mind, part of the south side of the lake/creek is in a provincial park. In BC it's illegal to prospect in provincial (and national) parks, without the written approval of the park warden. I can't say I've ever heard of anyone getting approval, but I also haven't heard of anyone asking either. Perhaps a good thing to look into. GB, thanks. I do always check the holes again after I dig something, incase there is another target. Thus far its always more trash, but fingers crossed. The further I get off the beaten path, the better things seem to get. Last fall, I hit a patch of square cut nails up a hillside (above the primary gold bearing creek which feed the lower gold rush) while detecting around trees and boulders there. Some old timer must of went for a slide and lost a bunch, I found 8-10 maybe. Each one of them lit up as a big target. Each one required a 12-18" hole. I know it's just a matter of time before I get lucky. As if a bunch of trash is still here, then it's a better chance it hasn't been worked by someone else with a detector yet. Cheers, Nick

Hi All, New member from Cranbrook BC, Canada. I'm a long time hand panner, and started running a Minelab GM1000 last year. I've been working on some friends claims up the Wild Horse River and Boulder Creek (the site of a large/famous gold rush in BC). One of the guys up here (Steve) was recently on Freddy Dodge's Gold Rush. Detecting wise, I haven't had much luck yet. The area's I am working (even though they are claimed) have been heavily worked before, and very likely previously detected. My little VLF isn't going very deep, unless the target is huge. I am wanting to upgrade to a better PI machine. Interesting things I've found include lots old square cut nails, and some some barbed rock wedges. Otherwise, lots of old timer trash, even more modern trash, pyrites, iron ore, and hot rocks galore.... Just thought I would introduce myself and say hello. Cheers, Nick