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"Some Interesting News From Quest Detectors"

Is this thread going to get interesting??? 😁 

2 hours ago, Dancer said:

So in the end , for myself I can't travel to Oman and Mexico is out of the question

Why is Mexico out of the question?  What question would that be? 

My 15" Coil with added side supports all Marine Epoxied on.

Yes, Loctite Marine Epoxy. It goes everywhere on my coils including the bottoms. 

23 hours ago, 619_805_okie said:

She loves the beach and i love to detect the beach so i wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts on white sand beaches to take her on a vacation to...

Don't come down in Mexico where I am at. Way too dangerous😉

8 hours ago, Denny said:

The Tarsacci with blacksand mode on, 18khz, ground balanced, mixed mode. Tarsacci could not see the nickel.

This isn’t a real world test but shows the capability of the Deus2

Well the two machines are totally different. The Tarsacci is single frequency and the D2 multi.
When I ran the Tarsacci here in moderate Black Sand I could not get past 9khz without having issues. However, I could run at just about max sensitivity even in the water.
It might be possible to see different results running in 9khz? 

22 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Found a nice 15 g silver necklace.  It is a bit delicate so I'm surprised it came out in one piece.

Awesome find! My luck, I would have cut it in half with the scoop.

23 minutes ago, schoolofhardNox said:

That's what I was running originally. That's when I noticed the excessive grunts which lead to trying to do the Auto GB and then Manual GB.

I cannot say we noticed excessive grunts? Possible your set-up or iron volume, your tone selection or even ferrous presets?? Does it grunt in all modes? We ran Seawater and Beach Deep.

27 minutes ago, schoolofhardNox said:

can I see the GB# by entering the GB mode,  or are you not able to see the GB number?

 I do not know?

27 minutes ago, schoolofhardNox said:

On a different note, I watch a video that says Minelab's tracking is slower to adjust than the Deus tracking? Do you ever notice the Deus handling different ground conditions faster?

I see no difference in machine tracking recovery time from the Equinox, D2, or Manticore. 
 

37 minutes ago, schoolofhardNox said:

I'm not understanding why the pumping of the coil (auto), does not find a ground balance number that gets rid of the grunts. It just stays at zero. These beaches are not severe enough to have drop the sensitivity down to the low teens or single digits.

Maybe silly to ask?
Why do you not run tracking GB? Minelab recommends this at a salt beach. I ALWAYS run tracking and have been very successful.  
It also allows the machine to adjust for those 20'-40' spots that have a different black sand content. 

In fact, I run tracking on the D2 as well. 

Looks like he avoids water contact and the wettest sand. 

5 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

How deep are we talking here? PI range? Depending on what the target is, I've truly had it hold ID as deep as 12" or more.

It is plausible on larger targets to TID at 12" in good conditions. Black Sand with moving salt water not so much.

5 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

Sorry about the bi-metal Mexican coins, that's good to know but

Yes, well the "but" is I have to run the bottle cap and silencer both at 2. This will make most of these bi-metal coins fall in iron sounds and cause signal breakdown. 

5 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

after hundreds of hours on the machine myself, I don't dig much iron at all anymore, as a 45 to 90 degree turn tells me all I need to know.

 I have been working the D2 for the last few weeks straight and want to learn it better before the rough wave season gets here [out again today].
Time is important especially working in large surf. Needing time for more target investigation and turning 90 degrees could even be dangerous in the zone I hunt. Am getting better on iron.
 

5 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

What if the update solves some of these small issues? 🤔 Especially the small gold problem I've read about?

  Small gold at a salt beach with black sand is a pipe dream. But my understanding is nugget hunters are looking for something different.

5 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

I've also read you have difficulty with the coil not staying straight in the surf. Does a smaller one solve that issue? 🤔

No. The waves here are very forceful right now. When I get hit with a wave there are two options. Pull the coil out of the water[however this requires eyes in the back of my head] OR pin the coil to the sand when the wave hits.
EVERYTIME, I pin the coil to the bottom the coil offsets. Then because the coil is offset to the rear it takes more of an effort to get it back into hunting position. When this season ends, I will be looking for a high-quality centering device [not infill] that hopefully will not break. 

5 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

Thanks for playing! 🙂

No Problemo>>>😎
 

8 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

Look up "iron falsing with my Deus 2"

Research "inaccurate ID's with Deus 2"

OK, I will play>>

The D2 really struggles with the bi-metal Mexican coins. Less than the Tarsacci , and more than the /Equinox and Manticore. 

I notice other iron needs a special ear too, with a 180 look sometimes. 

I get VERY inaccurate ID's in mineralized salt water with Black Sand. I also worry that I do not fully understand the difference between a deep nonferrous and ferrous target because they react the same.

The same in wild and buried tests, once a target gets beyond TID range it is VERY difficult to figure out what the target is. 

The D2 is not a perfect salt machine. 

2 hours ago, schoolofhardNox said:

So my problem is that when manual balancing, the ground balance always goes to 0. It never moves when I pump it or if I manually raise it (or decrease it) I don't notice a difference. Then I bob it up and down and it returns to 0.

The Manticore I had here is gone now. However, your black sand pic looks like nothing to me [sorry]  Mine is double/triple. 

We put the Manticore in tracking and never looked back. It ran clean and had good depth. 

2 hours ago, schoolofhardNox said:

I run the screen wide open so that all targets are heard, but the ground noise is more common than the actual iron.

We both know what works on the Nox. 😉 The Manticore seems to work different.
While I did not release all the discrimination from a search mode, we did extensive tests with horseshoe on/off. 

This unfortunately is the point where I have to say the Horseshoe mode made NO difference in target enhancement. 

I would concentrate all efforts on running in discrimination. 

1 hour ago, okara gold said:

But I am able to hunt the deep mode in a higher sensitivity by about 2 more numbers. The jury is still out until I can do more testing.

Our testing was done in both modes at 22, where we felt that you could run properly on the wet sand [here]
Even then Beach Deep stomped low conductor on the test. If you can actually run two points higher sensitivity in your location. Beach Deep will be a no brainer!  

2 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

In "Deep" he got a good, strong signal that he thought might be gold (I don't recall the number).  He switched to low conductor and the detector would barely read it, even when he boosted the sensitivity.  He said he would have walked right over it.

Or you heard from me, 😇 who started the thread. 

On 2/26/2023 at 8:35 AM, strick said:

Yes I think this is right...I've been running my threshold as I would if I were nugget hunting with barely audible

We tested the Manticore with a threshold of 1&2 in all of the beach modes. The test target was a buried gold ring at the edge of detection to the point of not being able to distinguish the target by TID or sound on a 360 look. 

Unfortunately, at no point did a threshold of either 1 or 2 enhance the target in any way. Horseshoe mode on/off no difference either.  😔

1 hour ago, matt said:

How is using Low Conductor vs. saltwater setting fully submerged water? Can Low Conductor setting be used fully submerged?

While I do not hunt under water but in the wave wash [submerged]  I do not see how Low conductor can beat the Seawater setting. Due to sensitivity lowering necessary with Low Conductor. 

22 hours ago, abenson said:

Tom Dankowski is also saying beach low conductor on his beaches. So I guess if you're seeing something different it's kind of strange.

While Tom has forgot more about detectors than I never knew. It is really hard for me to listen to settings from someone who has not stepped on a black sand beach in over a decade. 
 

13 hours ago, okara gold said:

Next time I get a marginal signal I'll give the Deep a try and report back.

So yesterday we switched the 10k ring out with a little larger 14k ring. 

SAME results.

Seawater setting again beat low conductor in the wet sand and Beach Deep was the best response on that gold. 

It should be noted that both Beach Deep and Low Conductor are not friendly settings if you're moving between water and wet sand. Both of these modes will require lowering sensitivity to hunt in water contact.  

Both really different finds from everyday stuff!  Awesome! 

2 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Bob and I are killing it out there with our crippled Beta test D2’s.  My fully updated Nox is collecting dust and the 900 has been a mostly disappointment so far for a version 2.0.  Sorry this 0.71 beta is holding you back, Dave.  But hard core beach hunting is not my wheelhouse,

Fresh picture 5 minutes ago>I know we got it covered here!! 😎

Just now, F350Platinum said:

I'm pretty sure the marketing folks and the engineers are not the same department 🤣

I am starting to wonder if anyone works there! 

So they put all this time into Amazon and not an update. 🙄

24 minutes ago, strick said:

I don't know if you guys are running with the threshold on or off...good discussion

On the Equinox I run a threshold of 2. You cannot hear it, but it enhances deep targets. We are going to experiment with the manticore today. 

On 2/23/2023 at 8:24 AM, GB_Amateur said:

You might contact Serious Detecting.  They sell some Quest detectors.

SERIOUS>>😆

6 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Does anyone else note a difference in pinpointing with your different scoops?

Many machines, keep the scoop off to the side a couple of feet away, or hold it above.  Never noticed a difference in pinpointing.