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1 hour ago, rvpopeye said:

Guess I must already be in trouble ?? 

(I'll gladly let them "bribe" me to shut up about the 11000 tuesday , for a 6000 today !)

 

The 6000 exists only on paper 😄

1 hour ago, Tom_in_CA said:

Good show.  I never get tired of seeing those charcoal grey-ish-black silver coin disks in my sand-basket   😜

Now we're relying on you Tom to show us some of them silvers. 👍  I'm out of the game for a bit until I can find another good  location. NO pressure 😉 It is a good feeling when you see one come to light though. Then you know you are in the right place!

13 minutes ago, rvpopeye said:

 That place didn't beat you up too bad , I'd think about still checking it every once in a while.

(When you get your gpz 11000 , you can go see what's there down to 36")🤫

 

I'm fairly resilient 😄 It's a 4 hour round trip, so I think I need to befriend someone that lives next door to the beach, so they can report conditions to me. I'm thinking maybe that GPX 6000 would do the trick??? But how would anyone know, since everything is top secret and information only trickles out on what it can and can not do. By the time the GPX 11000 comes out you will not even be able to speak it's name.....shhhh  (Top, Top Secret). 🤣

2 hours ago, Joe D. said:

   Great way to look at it! You worked hard and it produced very nicely! And it will again when it opens up! 

   Now comes the cleaning and research of your finds! Not necessarily the most fun, but part of the hunt! 

  Nice work, and I'm sure the gold will eventually make an appearance at that site!👍👍

   

Thanks, Joe. It makes you feel like a kid again. I couldn't wait to get back there every week. The drive is what killed me. As for cleaning them........🤔 I'll leave that for the next of kin 😄

1 hour ago, Tiftaaft said:

I looks like a lot of fun at that spot while it lasted.  I love that nickel that is about 1/2 size from erosion in the pic above... but you can still clearly see the Monticello!  Thanks for posting your hunts!!  ~Tim.

Thanks Tim, It always amazes me that a coin can be struck so hard that the image remains, even if the coin is paper thin. The ocean can really dismantle coins when they are trapped in certain areas.

And so it ends for my little silver spot.  😭 Went out yesterday hoping the rain would hold out long enough to see what I could still pull out of that spot. Rain came in a bit early, but long enough to let me know that the rest of the goodies are still out of range. A bit lazy this morning, so no pictures of the iron or other non ferrous. Still, a lot of coins came to light, but the Memorials outranked the Wheats by a lot. That usually means less silver, and that was the case. Did manage a very degraded Indian Head, and a 1925 Buffalo, and 3 Canadian cents. Silver was way down from what was flowing from the previous hunts. I'm pretty much done there, and taking the next week off from beach hunting. It was great while it lasted and I appreciated the generosity that the beach gave me. Beaches can be stubborn sometimes, but very generous at other times. It all balances out in the end. Great to get out and do what I love to do.  Maybe next week a relic hunt?????

3 hours ago, FloridaSon said:

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Translator issue I'm assuming

8 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

I'm doubly amazed -- first that you braved 23F (-5C) temps, even if you were sheltered from the wind.  And second, you only used a pinpointer to detect.  (Paid off nicely -- I'll call that amazement #3.)

How do you keep your fingers from freezing?

Thanks GB. Using the wall as a shield got rid of the wind chill. The wind was coming from that direction, so I felt very little wind being so low to the ground. I bought a big pair of gloves, I guess they are like ski gloves, and they are pretty warm. I wore those. The key to staying warm on the beach for me is that I usually double glove it, with an additional vinyl glove on top to keep the wet from reaching my hands. But if you get your hands wet from the sand or surf, all bets are off. You will be extremely cold, very fast. The good news is that Thursday's temperatures are going to be in the 50's. The bad news is there are going to be more people bothering me  😢

2 hours ago, rvpopeye said:

I learned that long ago on a construction site....from my boss , so you know it works....

To keep your fingers warm  in winter , dip them in cider. 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay in cider.

Cider makes the world go round 😄

Sounds like a good spot to dig those deep, iffy signals. You may have a lot of coins at depth there. Great '42D half!

5 hours ago, Tom_in_CA said:

Love the on-going story and tallies.   Is it possible, that the next time you're there, can you get some location shots so that we have a feel for type location ?

 

There's a pocket cove beach near me "Lover's Point", where the sand never goes up or down more than a few feet.  D/t the cove is protected from the normal beach/swell erosion (wind/tides/swells) that normally dictate erosion for our normal ocean-facing beaches.   So there is never any way to know when the sand will be "down"  or "up" .  

 

And the "bedrock" depth at this beach, varies from 6 ft. deep on one end, to only ~3 ft. deep on the other end.   So when the sand is "down", some enterprising fellows (including myself) have got there and shovels out areas.  About as big as a billiard table, and the requisite 3 to 4-ish ft. deep, to reach this "bottom" bedrock layer.  And when we reach that, we start tossing out barbers, V's, wheaties, old sinkers, etc....  But that is HARD work , doh !   Also, after many years of doing this , we began to forget exactly where we'd dug before (or others had dug).  So it became increasingly frequent to come down on "dry holes".  Doh !   Or if you didn't plan  your tides right, your hole would fill in with water, stopping you from digging any deeper.

 

Your story sort of reminds me of this beach of ours.

I really do not want to take any shots of the beach, as there are enough things on it to ID it. If this was a private, member's eyes only forum, then I might do some shots. Anyone, anywhere (including my area) can view these posts. But I can tell you the beach is exposed directly to the ocean and is a rather slightly sloped beach from top to bottom. Going from left to right is a gamble, as I have found clay at 6" on one section, while the other section next to it, I have yet to hit clay, (so more than 24"). We generally have slight layers of light black sand and regular sand followed by cobble and fake bottom layers of rust colored pebbles. It can play havoc on VLF and multi machines, sometimes they go deep and sometimes being limited by the sand layers.  I also believe there are V's and maybe even Seated coins, as I found Barber, a V, and Indians there recently.

3 hours ago, okara gold said:

Wow... Talk about perseverance! I looked that word up in the dictionary and your profile was next to it. But all kidding aside... kudos to you for leaving no iron unturned and thanks for the interesting story and pics.

That's not true! If you look up Poor, you will find my picture next to it 😄 Iron needs to go, plus if anyone ever wants to ban detecting I can bring their iron and junk back to them.

3 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

Hats of to you Cap'n. I have a rough time in 35 degree weather, 23 in 20 mph wind on the shore has to be brutal. I'm close enough to the river that humidity gets sticky.

Fabulous finds, you earned 'em. 🏆

Thanks. I did hide myself detecting in the area I was in.  It was freezing in the parking lot though.

2 hours ago, rvpopeye said:

Smart thinkin' . Good hint for us all.  Impressive haul , as expected.

I actually hit a few stretches of sand myself last week during the 2 nice (above 40f)days we got before the ice curtain dropped back down. ,~9 hours worth ,,, a few pieces of junk and a quarter,,it was clad .

So I'm almost caught up with you ! skuh kuh kuh kuh kuh

Yep, you are right behind me. 😏 That's ok - it will give me motivation to do even better on this Thursday's hunt.😉 This pin pointer method really only works in target rich, close proximity areas. I will know better when I do the next 10-15 linear feet, if I can repeat it.  I do want to say that in digging like I did, I made sure that there were never any open holes, except right where I was digging. I also smoothed the sand out and just sprinkled the dry sand over it. I don't want to ruin it for anyone else.

Really nice looking ring. Maybe Burmese Garnets? Sweet find!

3 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

I thought the AQ might be able to handle hunting gold nuggets in low mineral ground. However, the lack of ground balance control meant it was reactive to the ground and hot rocks, even at what I'd consider a low mineral location. This required moving the coil at a snail's pace to allow the retune circuit to keep up. Only good in a tiny area at best. The only other solution was to use volcanic mode, but then my faith in the gold getting ability declined so much, I thought it not worth the time and effort. Bottom line is I sold the AQ and am waiting on the Impulse Gold, as it appears the Gold version with ground balance control, will be the better inland hunter by far. That version, however, may have no ferrous discrimination at all, other than typical ground balance PI tone type indications.

I did the same thing at an inland village site. Because the GPX can not operate in coin/relic mode, as it react to the ground with even the slightest swing speed, I decided to try the AQ, but it did the same thing. I also found volcanic mode to be usable, but felt I was losing too much depth (even though it was unproven). I may revisit it again looking for very tiny brass beads. Maybe it works more than I thought, but probably not nearly enough for the deep items I was hoping for. I too am looking forward to the gold version to see if it will work in that soil. Since the GPX 6000 doesn't sound like it will be what I want (also unproven 😄), I would possibly gamble, price dependent, on the AQ gold.

So, I had a delayed start for yesterdays hunt. Between turning the clocks forward, and the cold temps, I did not make it to the beach until around 10 AM. It would have been 17 degrees out with a 20 MPH NNW wind, but lucky for me it warmed up to 23 degrees by the time I got there. 🥶 I did have a big cement wall that I was planning on hunting next to, using it as a wind shield -  it worked well. This is also the wall that I can not get closer than 5 feet from, or my GPX goes nuts from the iron inside of it. So, I had a plan. Since there are so many targets in this area that are exposed, and I assumed that most detectorists would be annoyed by the iron in this wall as well, I would try something else. I took the worst detector I had and got close to the wall, dug a small 15”x15” square, and layer by layer used my pin pointer to find targets. Yup, just the pin pointer as my detector.  So, the 5-foot barrier turned into about 4”, any closer and the pin pointer would detect the wall. The first picture shows all the nonferrous dug with that pin pointer, (including 5 silvers and the gold partial plate). The iron I dug is mixed in with the other iron for the day. 2 Mercs, 2 Roosevelt and a Barber were found that way. I only a path about 10 feel long. I will be revisiting that system again this Thursday to see if the next 10 feet produces anything.  The rest of the hunt I used the GPX, going over the same area as previous visits have. Still found a decent amount of silver, but it was much harder to hear. This area is going to die fast for silver unless I can come up with another way to find it. Even though it was cold, it turned out to be bearable. If you dig quickly, you warm up fast. Total silver from 2 different patches on this beach so far this season is 146 coins.  It been a while since my luck has run this well this long. Looking forward to the next visit.

On 3/14/2021 at 6:50 PM, Dances With Doves said:

I have a beach in  Rochester  where i used the Infinium to go for   silver coins on the west   end in the   spring because the wind blew some sand away . The best i could do was 4 in a day and under 35 total which is what you did in  only one day.I  Imagine if you used your Gpx here you would be  able to squeeze out more.Here you can find  Barbers because sometimes the clean up guy would  dig  up sand and put  them near the  surface.There is a  lot of sand here and  I have never found a silver coin in the water. I love that you are cleaning up with a gold machine on silver coins. I really   did  enjoy  using my PI to go for silver on the    dry sand.I would like to see your final tally for the year.

I would have never found any of this without a pulse machine. I don't hunt during the beach season, so here is the total for about 7ish hunts - 146 silver coins from this beach, including yesterday's hunt I'm getting ready to post. I think my days are numbered for more silver unless I can find another spot on this beach to hunt. It's starting to get harder and harder to find them.

On 3/14/2021 at 8:17 PM, GB_Amateur said:

I heard a rumor Jeff McClendon was seen late this afternoon detecting a Denver park.  We Eastern USA detectorists are counting on you to show him up.

Just keep that guy away from my beach 😄 I don't need anyone vacuuming up my silver.

On 3/14/2021 at 8:36 PM, Tom_in_CA said:

There was multiple beach jetties put in, along southern CA beaches, back in the 1940s & 1950s.   To "trap" sand, in order to stem beach erosion or whatever.    And some put in to protect harbor entrances, etc....    As the sand backs up, and the beaches got wider and wider, this meant that even WHOPPER storm erosion would never reach back to the cliffs again.   And therefore some of the high-dry sand has never seen wet-salt since the 1940s & 50s.

 

An enterprising So. CA guy that I knew of, figured out that there was SUPER deep silver coins (albeit just whatever was in circulation back in the 1940s/50s), that were beyond the reach of regular machines.   Since the coins tended to sink down till they got to a firmer hard-packed layer, about 1.5 ft. down.   So he took a high-powered GPX nugget machine there (which, as you know, can get a coin to nearly 2 ft. deep), and started getting silver coins & wheaties that way.   Lot of hard work, but he eventually mined 100+ silver coins from these stretches doing this trick.    The reason it was a lot of hard work, is that unfortunately, using a high-powered nugget machine like that, then naturally every single little foil-turd will ALSO "ring the bells of Notre Dame" too,   🤪

We are just getting able to hit the 1.5 foot mark and the results are starting to show. My layers hang right around any ware from 1he mid 40's to the mid 70's, so I get a mix of clad too. When you hit a true 50's and older layer, all the better change is silver - no clad. Must be heaven 🤔

19 hours ago, kac said:

Dry sand you could use one of these and blast it off, maybe use a netting to catch the coins...

http://www.akronturbinegroup.com/

 

Some great ideas, Love the jet dryer and snow blower idea. But sadly, I am a working man and not a man of leisure, so I am destined to use manual labor ☹️

40 minutes ago, Joe D. said:

   I say pull out the snow blower to your beach, and get down a foot or two! I bet that there is no snow blower rules on the books!!🤣👍👍

You're on to something Joe. I will let you know how it goes. Start a go fund me page so I can get out of jail.

1 minute ago, Tom_in_CA said:

You are sick.  Sick sick sick .

😄 I have silver fever...... that's the equivalent of gold fever on a budget! Us east coast guys don't get enough of that gold, so we have to substitute.

31 minutes ago, cudamark said:

I'd be tempted to remove about a foot or two of sand in a 10' X 10' hot zone area to see what gold or other heavies might be down deep. Are you allowed to use a dredge on the beach? 🤔

Oh no.... no dredging the beach....they shoot ya!😄 So far, mother nature has removed enough sand to make it fun. Now if I could only get her to do it again, then the gold has to show up. I just found out for tomorrow's hunt it is going to be 19 degrees with a 17MPH NNW wind. That should make it interesting. 🥶

It's that gold radar you have in your head 😄 Nice size too.

11 hours ago, Joe D. said:

    If this beach is fairly close to you, I would think you could keep tabs on it! Seems like few if any others are getting the depth, like you said! And you have been cleaning out progressive depths! Just a matter of time till you hit gold! Again, probably will be overlooked by the average Joe without a deep seeker or the trained ears you have! I hope it stays safe till it is all found by you! You've put in the time there, and earned your way to get the golden reward!!👍👍

Unfortunately it is not close to me, about 2 hours away (2 1/2 now since the police are doing a lot of radar recently 😄)I've got some new ideas on how to try and get the deep gold, that I will try out tomorrow if I go there. If they work, you will never hear of them 😉 but you will see the results. Although I would love to hit some gold, I'm really enjoying the silver ride, so not finding gold is ok with me.

9 hours ago, MSC said:

Amazing finds, so glad you are having success with the 5000. 

Thanks. Every manufacturer at some point produces a well thought out, killer machine. That was Minelabs moment. There other machines are all excellent for what they do, but the 5000 is the most versatile of the bunch, at least for what I do.

34 minutes ago, Jim in ma said:

Nice haul George

That is a staggering amount of digging.🏋️‍♀️

 All that digging seemed like a good idea at the time 😅. I actually enjoy the exercise and I just take it easy the next day, so I can recover. I have to do something to try and stay young. I'm hoping I have another 10 years of decent detecting before I have to concede. You never know when it's over, so make the best of every hunt, even if it's only an hour or 2.

10 hours ago, okara gold said:

That's a real nice hunt. Love all the old coins and the coin to junk ratio is real good too. Have you thought about bringing your AQ into that area to see if it can find anything deeper or perhaps gold? It seems you're already digging the iron targets so it could be interesting. Also... I learned some good lessons the hard way... work will always be there, but the window of opportunity for an exciting hunt can close fast. Thanks for showing the goodies!

Thanks. This spot has produced about 110 silvers in 6 or 7 hunts I think🤔. As soon as my headphones are fixed for the AQ, I'm bringing it out there to see what it can find. I'm going to really hunt it hard before that, just to see if the AQ finds anything after the GPX is done with that spot. There is a bit of EMI there that the GPX responds to, so it will be interesting to try the AQ, which handles EMI much better.

2 hours ago, Joe Beechnut OBN said:

Couple things, You Killed the Silver! Wow!

8 hours... You killed that too!! Wow!! I can bet you slept well...

Crazy you found no gold, that is a lot of silver...Is there some type of pattern to where the coin lay..is there Iron in that mix..?

Here, if I'm finding silver or brass .....gold is near..iron can be just in spots...... in that mix..like something broke up and now is within a few feet radius. 

 

Has to be gold soon! Good Luck!

 

 

I sleep well after every hunt 😆 It's odd that there is no gold there. With all those silver and copper coins found, I'm sure it's untouched territory. The only explanation for no gold I can think of, is that it is still deeper. Maybe that AQ can get some deeper layers. I'll try 7 us, 0 ATS, sens 7, all metal - if that doesn't do it, then I don't know what will 😐 There is a pattern to those coins as far as the types of sand layers I cut through to get to them. They are about 12-15" deep and come in after I get to a crunchy layer of very small pebbles. I have yet to hit clay though. That is where I think the gold is hiding, just beyond my reach. There is also a fair amount of iron and I've dug a lot of it. Should be easier next time out. Actually, I can't wait, so I shifted work so I can go out there this Monday 😏 I'm not patient enough to wait!

29 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Incredible finds! I really enjoy seeing the GPX used for things other than nugget detecting. keep up the great work! 

Thanks Steve. I know it's meant to be a gold machine but it smokes on the beach!! The GPX is a solid, well engineered, masterpiece for the type of relic and beach hunting I do. If they only improved the EMI I would gladly buy that version.

10 hours ago, Joe D. said:

   Tremendous amount of digging again, and a nice cross section of finds! I hope all the silver cleans up well! That area has obviously seen it's share of people over many years! I'm also happy for your sake, that they don't replenish the sand like they do here ever year! I wonder if other's have found your spot, and recovered as much! Keep at it!!👍👍

Thanks. Silver in this condition sometimes cleans up well. You can get it clean, but the damage is exposed once the black is gone. The worst ones are the ones that have the thick black crust.  A lot of the detail is lost, once the black layer is removed. They sometimes do push sand up the beach for opening day, but after a couple of bigger storms, they are back where they started. I don't think anyone has hit this spot, and unless they have a pulse machine, I'm not too worried. Coins are still in the 12-15" range. Even if they hear some of these signals, they would probably be so sketchy or read as iron, that they pass on them. EMI makes them hard to discern from false signals. But even on the GPX, with max settings, they are faint. The hardest part of hunting like this, is locating an area that has just the right amount of sand removed. Too little removed and I can't hear them, too much removed and everybody can hear them. This is the 4th time I have found an area like this. You have to hit it strong until it's either empty or it closes up. I'm just shocked that there is very little gold but a lot of lead and nickels. 🥴

58 minutes ago, Rick N. MI said:

Great hunt! I really the horse.

Found that headless horseman. 😲 Wonder how old it really is? 40's 50's?

1 hour ago, mn90403 said:

Fantastic George!  I'm sure you already have your next visit in mind.

Thanks, I may have to cancel work and play hooky before next Thursday 😄

15 minutes ago, GB_Amateur said:

Thanks for that detailed response.  It's consistent with what a local detectorists told me.  (He's the only detectorist in the 5 years I've returned detecting in my area whose path has crossed mine.)  He said his E-Trac gave more accurate TID's but he could move much more quickly with the Eqx.  (The day I saw him he had the Eqx.)

I think there is always a trade off with every new release from Minelab. We always want our old machine with just a few refinements and added features...... and Minelab responds with something completely new 😄 In a way, you have to applaud them for not listening to us.

I could not wait to get back to my spot at the beach. The GPX was on fire!!! I had an idea that I would revisit the spot I did previously, and try and get the faintest targets that I could hear through the moderate EMI.  I was hoping they would be silver dimes, as they are the smallest and possibly hardest to hear. I also wanted to remove some very big iron that took up a good section of this spot. I thought it may be masking a lot, since this is a target rich area. Even though I had reasoned my strategy in my head, I did not expect these results. When I did a lot of park/school hunting we would always shoot for type trifectas, I never did that on a beach since it happens rather rarely. I did not expect the cent, nickel, dime, and half dollar trifecta. Just missed the quarter as I did not get the barber quarter. Surprised with the Indian, V nickel, and barber half mostly. The big iron hid 3 silver dimes, some other cents and nickels and the Barber Half.  I wasn't even mad about the 2 zincs that seem to always spoil my hunts 😄 If the weather holds out next week, I will hit this area again, mostly to see if it will still hold anything and because the rest of the beach seems to not have lost as much sand as this area did. I spent 8 hours digging and another half hour looking for a lost wedding band in the parking lot for a nice old couple. I could tell they were very sad, since they were pacing the lot. I did not find it and they were not sure if she lost it there or from leaving the house. If they lost it on the boardwalk, it would easily be spotted by someone walking. A great day, very warm and sunny and as always, it’s nice to get out and hunt for the day.

1 hour ago, GB_Amateur said:

It does seem that FBS users in particular are the ones who notice this.  Can you give some examples -- i.e. targets that get thrown together on the Eqx but which are separated on FBS (and please include digital TID values for all)?  Also, is it only the mid-range where you notice this or do high conductors (e.g. silver coins) suffer similarly?  Is the problem depth dependent?

And while you're at it, do you notice any difference in target separation capabilities of the Equinox vs. FBS? 

 

I'll start with the easiest for me. Target separation is like night and day (with a little gray area thrown in). The Equinox separates targets way better than the other two. But the E Trac and the CTX can, if you go real slow, find targets in the iron (null). I noticed this on the E Trac especially when I did cellar holes. It would null for the iron but then pop out a target tone like on an old one piece button, very clearly. But only if you crawled. So I can't say it actually separated the two targets of if it just reported the non ferrous one. As for the condensed range on the Equinox, I can tell you I rarely dug any zinc cents that were corroded as low as (and as many different numbers) as I do now with the Nox. Zincs can read in all gold numbers where the would not read that low on the CTX or E Trac. Also tinfoil would not read high enough to be in the gold ring range where they do now with the EQ. I guess the easiest way to say it is that foil, bottle caps, and zincs are way more stretched across most of the target ID range below copper pennies. Above that, the targets are more consistent with what we are used to. Degrade a bottle cap and it drops way down. On a beach, you can't rely on the numbers as well as you could before. I know some are going to say that you can tell the difference between a piece of foil or a degraded bottle cap or a ring, but I for one liked it better when the numbers were more consistent.

Each machine has it's pluses. I've had the E Trac, and still have the CTX and the EQ 800. The E Trac with proper disc settings, long tones, in multi is a killer in trashy parks. Silver dimes at 9-10" at least  (New England soils). Target ID had some really nice quirks (bouncy numbers). The CTX  was really a beach machine for me -  relic hunting, it was good but iffy on deep targets. On the beach with the large coil on wet sand slopes, it would bang quarters at 12" like they were at 6". Number system was still good like the E Trac. Equinox is a different beast. I like some aspects of it, but absolutely hate the Target ID. No matter how you slice it, spin it or ignore it, grouping many items in the low to mid-range numbers is not Target ID. 😄 If it wasn't for the fact that it is really good at chains and small gold targets (studs, charms, etc) then I would probably sell it. Of course that it's wireless, waterproof, and has almost no weight are all pluses from the earlier models. But really for me, Minelab's design of the GPX 5000 is where I would trade all 3 of those for. I know some people don't like a lot of settings, but for me when companies make things easier for us, I lose the ability to push the machine into depth regions that I could not have gotten to without the ability to tweak the machine. I did a beach hunt yesterday that I know I would never have had the success I had if they had limited the GPX's controls. I think the best thing already said was you have to be comfortable with whatever machine you use and be happy.