Lodge Scent

I suspect you will warm up to it pretty quickly CPT. 🙂

I've been impressed by the 11X13 coil. I had it out Saturday at one of my old sites. I was using Sensitive Full Tones, with Disc at -6.4 and Reactivity at 0.5 and managed to find 5 flat buttons and a thimble. Geologyhound regarding the falsing, I had started with the Max frequency set at 14 kHz to see if I could sniff out a deep high conductor (this site has given up a couple of William IIIs), but I noticed a lot of falsing over the old crusty iron. I upped the Max frequency to 24 kHz and it eliminated a lot of the falsing. The coil does suprisingly well in the iron. It's obviously not ideal for the carpet of nails on a cellar hole lip but I have no complaints once you get off the lip.

Agreed. I've definitely pulled a LOT of buttons in that range as well as English coppers (usually counterfeits). For this type of hunting I am willing to sacrifice that VDI zone to just eliminate the iron falsing. I've tried a similar approach in Multi Tones by assigning a low tone to those VDIs. But using Full Tones and setting that particular bin volume to zero seems to work better.

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Sorry for the delayed response, it's been that kind of week. What I noticed was that when using Disc, nonferrous targets at extreme depth had a ferrous buzz so I tended to ignore them. With no Disc, the non ferrous at extreme depth did not have the ferrous buzz. As a result they caught my attention and I dug them. I was running Sensitive Full Tones, Reactivity 0.5 to 1.5. This is a cellar hole site with a good amount of crusty iron. I have very mild soils. Looking at my tone bins, 0 to 29 had a volume of "0". The tone bin of 73 to 88 also had a volume of zero. I've used that unusual tone bin at similarly pounded sites with lots of old iron. It knocks out the falsing and lets masked high tones peep through and catch my attention. I've used that approach that to pull a couple of small silvers recently from sites that haven't given up a high conductor in years. I had also Notched out 0-40 by accident (left over from previous program). With these settings the mid conductors jump out. There is a danger of some high conductors getting dragged down into the "silent" tone bin, But once again, these are pounded sites and I am trying every angle possible to dig a few more goodies. I wonder if there is any difference in performance between Notching out 0 to 40 or creating a tone bin from 0 to 40 with the volume set at "0" ?? Chase I have used Relic and Goldfield and do like them in moderately clean ground as they are really deep. But at my sites with lots of crusty square nails, the falsing is still annoying even with the IAR jacked to 5. Lodge

I like to try different settings or combinations of settings to be able to squeeze a few more goodies from my worn-out sites. Any remaining nonferrous targets are either iron-masked, super deep or both. Yesterday I tried another approach. I ran with a negative Disc of -6.4. I had hunted with negative disc in the past and had good luck but didn’t know why it had helped. I used it on Sunday’s hunt and dug another dozen nonferrous targets. But this time I figured out why it hit those targets that I had missed all the other times I’ve been there. In the adjacent slot to this -6.4 negative disc program, I ran the exact same program except it had the fairly standard 6.8 disc. After digging the second button it became obvious to me. When I went over the target with the standard Disc of 6.8, I got a very broken signal with a noticeable iron buzz. With the negative disc I did not get the iron buzz. In the past I had just passed over these targets thinking is was iron. Most of the targets were deep, probably near the edge of detection. There wasn’t any iron in the hole, but as the manual indicates, deep nonferrous at the edge of detection can sound like iron. This isn’t a new revelation, but it just never really sunk home for me until now. Crap, I just noticed one difference in the programs, the Negative Disc program had “0” Offset in Full Tones, but the 6.8 Disc program had an Offset of 10. Ugh, it shouldn’t matter though I wouldn’t think. The Tone Bin volumes for both were set at “0” up to the VDI of 38. I’ll verify if the Offset made a difference that next time out. Lodge

Nice bunch digs CPT! Looks like F350 ID'd that sterling whatsit. Very curious about that grooved object. Do you think it's bone (terrestrial or otherwise) or wood or clay ???

CPT, I find it easy to jump between programs, or tweaking a setting using the armband, however pinpointing is a PITA for sure. I find my self not using pinpoint nearly as much.

Good point Kac, that definitely helps.

CPT, I mostly use High Square. And to be honest, I use it mostly because it is easier on the ears. I used to use PWM and I think PWM did a slightly better job of alerting to iron. It had that extra "fuzziness" over iron. But for me, the falsing in PWM does seem to fatigue my ears more so than High Square. So as far as performance in the iron goes, I figure it's a wash. PWM may alert me better but I tune it out after a while. High Square maybe not as good but I will stay focused longer. But in 6 months from now, I may be tired of listening to High Square and go back to PWM just to challenge my brain. 😄 My latest cure for falsing at these pounded sites where I am not worried about missing easy semi high conductors.....is to create a tone bin from 73 to 88 and set the volume of that bin to 0. Those iron masked mid conductors will jump out at you and those very high conductors will sound off nicely as well because they are not competing with the falsing. You just have to accept the fact that you could miss some nice targets in the 73-88 range and not care about it. I'll go after those on another hunt using a different approach. But if you want to hunt for a while in those iron choked sites without the falsing, give it a try.

Sinclair, yeah the W6 on the wrist and WSII headphones is next. I already use the WSIIs and have the W6 and just bought the watchband. I agree, the pinpoint button is definitely a PITA especially when wearing gloves. I just put one of those little clear silicone nubs on it a few weeks ago and it helps a lot. CPT, I couldn't agree more about watching the ID and digging more junk. But I was surprised at how quickly my brain adjusted to not having the controller staring at me and how the audio now just seems more natural. I still take peeks and I do like to check an adjacent program now and then over a target, but I am definitely less distracted and more focused. Yeah some of those phone arm bands would work great.

Just curious if anyone uses the armband for the Deus 2 controller? I had been using my D1 with the controller on the shaft for about a year before I went to the armband. I used the armband for the next 5 years before I got the D2. The reason I went to the armband on the D1 was that I hunt in the woods and I had the controller pop off a few times. The last time it popped off I spent a semi-frantic 30 minutes looking for it before I found it. Wearing the controller on the armband had 2 unexpected benefits. One, it made be focus more on the audio and that really helped accelerate me become proficient with the D1. The second benefit was the pleasure of being able to literally just toss your detector to the side when you went to dig a hole to recover a target. Don’t laugh at how convenient that is until you try it. 😁 As long as your coil is on the ground when you drop the shaft, there is really nothing that can break. When I got the D2, I used it with the controller on the shaft. Then a couple of months ago, I got tired of the controller popping off, even though I didn’t lose it because I have the tether. It was still very annoying. So I got my D1 armband and squeezed the D2 controller into it. Now I wish I had done that a couple of years ago. Once again, I am paying more attention to the audio, less to the screen and I feel it has raised my game. Like any other endeavor, confidence is half the battle when it comes to detecting. XP hasn’t made an armband for the D2 but you can squeeze it in to the D1 armband without much difficulty. It is still easy to change programs and setting while wearing it on your arm or take a quick peak at a VDI if you wish. But the fact that is isn’t staring you in the face makes it easier to not over focus on it. And don’t underestimate the joy of being able to toss your beloved detector aside without any negative consequences. 😆 Lodge

I admire your dedication !

I did not know you had those restrictions. Yes, I would be at the beach with a hammer as well if I couldn't hunt in the woods. 😄. If you ever find yourself here in the US, I'll take you for a hunt in the woods.

I often hunt if there is snow on the ground, but not if it is actually snowing. 😄 -8 C is a bit cold especially if there is any wind. Bringing a hammer to break the sand is hardcore ! I hunt in the woods all winter. The ground rarely freezes. But you are right Sinclair, good footware and socks are the key to staying warm. Plus wearing 4 layers and a backpack help too. 😉 Can't forget my mittens with the handwarmer packs either......and a small thermos of hot coffee....and some energy food. But even with all that if the wind is blowing and it is -8 C, it is miserable!

Thanks F350 and Fred. The silver button is definitely a button and not a half real. Though we have pulled several Spanish silvers from that group of sites over the years. I've located 7 cellar holes along a mile and a half stretch of a stream. Based on coinage and relics found, I think the earliest site was very late 1600s. All were abandoned by 1840s when they gave up trying to scratch out an existence from the land and moved to the city to work in the textile mills. Me and my buddies pounded these sites to death with our Whites and Minelab machines. When I got my Deus 1, I was amazed at what we had left behind. I must have pulled another 20 coppers from those sites and easily another 300 buttons. The D2 has perked them up again. Here is the reverse of the eagle button. Lodge

Thanks CPT. I thought that disc was a half real when I saw it in the hole but it's a button with a bit of plating still on it.

I was out this morning for a few hours at one of my cellar hole sites in the woods. I am still putting Sensitive Full tones through its paces to see what it can do at these sites where there are only iron masked targets left. Disc was at the standard 6.8, and I notched out 0-40 becuse this site has graphite that can ring in as high as 39 and it can sound pretty good under the coil. Left the Reactivity at 1.5 and went low and slow. I was surprised to dig a dozen or so nonferrous targets from this site including a few small buttons and a thimble. All were comingled with iron except one of the small bits of pewter. The midtone was often choppy as to be expected in the iron but the D2 rarely gets fooled on a midtone target when in Full Tones. I cleaned this small sleeve button and was surprised to see the outline of an eagle and shield. I thought it might be military but could not find anything to match it. Any ideas on what it might be?? Lodge

Thank goodness you were spared the probe CPT !!! Nice bunch of finds! The fossil with the scales is really cool!

On my D1, added those little silicone rubber nubs to all the keys. On my D2 I just added them to the pinpoint and back keys. It makes it a lot easier to press the correct key when wearing heavy gloves or mittens.

A lot could have happened in those 8 minutes F350 😄. Zero Mostel was a very funny guy. The original "The Producers" was hilarious.

That's a great find and a great ID F350! I never would have figured that one out.

Thanks CPT. I am still running V1.1 for now. Looking at my settings, besides that Full Tones volume "notch" that I had, I also had a real Notch of 3-5, and a Notch of 99. As my programs morph, sometimes settings accidentally get carried over from one program to another.

Thanks Gents. F350 I was using the 9" coil today. For this copper, and probably for the last 100 coppers I've dug, I just give them a "dry cleaning" only. This one got a very light brushing with a soft toothbrush to get the excess dirt off but preserve as much of that thin green patina layer as possible. Then it got a coating of Ren Wax right over the remaining dirt. 😉 Even just a water rinse would have left it with a pitted surface. I've tried removing that "bronze cancer" from some coppers but the result is usually worse. Sometimes you can remove some with a dental pick or use a eurotool or andre pencil to abrade some off. But for me, I usually leave them as is these days. That bronze medal you found is really cool. I would be happy with any little flaws it may have rather than try and clean it.

Dug this 1827 Matron this morning. I was in Sensitive Full Tones and dug 5 or 6 .22 casings and etc. All mid tone finds. After a while I found myself just focused on the mid tones so I decided to make a Tone bin from 71 to 88 and put the volume at zero to eliminate any falsing and maybe pick out a faint high tone. I made the change and I hadn't walked 10 feet when I got a weak high tone with VDIs in the 90's. Of course I didn't believe it and even after I circled the target and still got 90's poking through, I still wasn't buying it. But there it was at the bottom of the hole, a good 9 to 10 inches down. Then it was another 30 minutes before I got another high tone (small odd shaped brass buckle). Interestingly, besides the surprise of that deep copper from this pounded site, I was getting a lot of mid tone targets. Because I was just wanting to focus on high tones, I left the mid tones in the ground. I am sure many of them were 22s and small lead, but there were some that I am sure are buttons. Save them for another day. What got my attention was that I heard that many mid tones. I had hunted this site heavy in General Full Tones in the past and pulled a lot of mid tone targets but never hit it hard with Sensitive Full Tones until today. Not sure if it was just using Sensitive FT that made those mid conductors pop, or maybe that silent tone bin helped them pop as well, or both. I'll work on that next time out. Lodge

VERY informative post! I appreciate all of you experts sharing your knowledge.