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  1. I was spaced out, staring out the window with my mouth hanging open,contemplating the vagaries that occur in our lives when I was struck by a revelation. Maybe my detector isn't a P.O.S., maybe it is broken? The problem is my XP Deus is very noisy in All Metal mode. In the highly variable ground of N. California I can not get it to run quiet in AM. The ground grab function does not get an exacting enough GB so I am forced to manually GB the Deus. It will run smooth for a few feet but then start yakking at me. Re-GB and repeat the scenario ad nauseam. Auto tracking is just as noisy. I have found gold with it listening through the noise but it is mentally fatiguing to try to determine a faint target or is it noise? The Discriminate modes run quiet, the machine is a real peach for coin and relic hunting but All Metal mode just sucks and its bringing me down. I know Ray, Scott, Steve and hopefully others on here own a Deus or did. Have your machines exhibited the same behavior? What say you gentlemen? Thanks, Merton
  2. Any one seen the price on the Deus? its down like 3 hundred bucks. Wonder what that is all about? I wonder it the other high end manufactures will be dropping there prices? Deus, 1550.00 add 50 bucks for the full headphones. http://www.metaldetector.com/xp-deus-metal-detector I would like to see Garret ATX come down 300.00....... Ivan
  3. Had mine out in the pouring rain and mud the other day and the control box took a total bath for at least 2 hours strait. Despite the mud and rain she is still running perfect. I see guys buying water proof covers for the control box....I'm gonna keep running mine commando and see what happens... strick
  4. Goldbrick did a superb review of the XP DEUS and his use of it in the field at XP DEUS In The Goldfields I try to keep up with anything that might be of use for gold prospecting. I decided I wanted to be able to speak with some knowledge about the DEUS as regards prospecting, mainly to be able to add it to my Gold Nugget Detector Reviews. And the rule there is I can't review it unless I use it. There is a good lead up thread regarding this at XP DEUS For Gold Prospecting Ron (CA) makes some excellent commentary on that thread that you should take a look at. There is no doubt the XP DEUS breaks new ground in what it means to be a metal detector. Totally wireless, extremely compact, and very lightweight. It has a well deserved reputation for being able to pull good finds out of thick ferrous trash, like around an old burned down cabin. I have used the XP DEUS in downtown parks, in the goldfields, and around an old ghost town. I found some old coins with it, nothing spectacular, though I did find my first Buffalo nickel that I have seen in some time with it. In my opinion the DEUS works a lot of its magic by not only being able to see between closely spaced targets, but by also being inherently biased towards digging targets. The target VDI number accuracy ranges from just ok to very poor. Therefore almost everyone recommends just digging all targets that sound good with the DEUS. You dig more junk, but you also make more good finds. Now the DEUS is very good at what it does, but the reality is if I take any good detector and concentrate on digging all non-ferrous targets including the iffy ones, I will make more good finds, while also digging more trash. This is just good old fashioned common sense metal detecting. The DEUS is really geared towards hunting like that, and it works. Where another detector, when in doubt, might say "don't dig" the DEUS says "Dig!" Combined with its superb target recovery speed this formula brings home the goods. The problem? Not everyone wants to detect like that. I think many of the used units up for sale are by people who thought they were going to get better target id capability than they ended up getting with the DEUS. If you are expecting something with superb ability to identify targets, like the CTX 3030, than the DEUS disappoints. For urban turf detecting it will have you digging a lot of trash. You will make some great finds doing that, but target id is not this units strength, though I do believe that with enough experience and tweaking for a particular user with time that ability can be attained. But it is not going to happen quickly. I just wanted to warn people about that. Me, I love digging most everything so the DEUS way of thinking works for me and it may very well for you also. Just be aware of what you are getting into. OK, gold prospecting. The Goldfield Program is an 18 kHz single frequency VLF all metal prospecting mode. It has a neat buzzy digital sound to it I found pleasant - others may not. I did try and find a gold nugget with the DEUS and sadly I just did not get lucky in that regard. But I did dig plenty of small non-ferrous stuff like small shell casing fragments. The bottom line is I found the DEUS to be a very capable VLF gold prospecting detector, but one that strictly as a VLF nugget detector is unexceptional. It fits right in with most of the mid-frequency VLF detectors in that regard. I have a White's V3i and I just could not get over the parallel. Two very expensive highly programmable metal detectors, both with a Prospecting Mode. The truth in both cases is these detectors were not designed for prospecting. Their main market targets are coin, relic, and jewelry. Prospecting is more the "oh yeah, lets have it do that also" thing that was tossed in just to make a complete package. In the case of the DEUS it was literally added after the fact as an update to the software. What you get in both cases are really cool detectors that a person may very well want to own, and if you own one and apply yourself they can be used for prospecting, and will do a decent job of it. The reality though is they are massive overkill and really do nothing in the way of prospecting any better than a $499 Fisher Gold Bug. If you are shopping for a gold prospecting detector do not think that because these units cost a lot and have a zillion bells and whistles that makes them better prospecting detectors. In my opinion, they just are not. I am not saying they are no good; what I am saying is you should be buying a detector like the DEUS because you want to use it for a lot of other things besides prospecting. If that was the sole purpose in owning it, I would take a pass myself. And I have. Mine has been sold. When it comes to wanting to have a machine with tons of programmability I am happy with my V3i. Pulling good finds out of ferrous trash? Honestly, it has never been an issue for me. I have more stuff to find than I can deal with in that regard, and it is the sort of detecting I spend the least time at anyway. The detectors I normally use prospecting do well enough for me in that regard. The kicker for me personally was what everyone seems to love and rave about with the DEUS. It is totally wireless. The side effect there is everything has a built in rechargeable battery. I plugged in the charger and hooked it up to the coil, the headphones, and the control box. My preference is to be detecting out in the field, have my batteries go dead, slap in a new set of batteries, and get on with business. I am close to being totally standardized on AA batteries for all my detectors and pinpointers, GPS units, etc. The DEUS takes charging things to a whole new level, and I am not that excited by it. It is not that I mind charging stuff. It is that I do not want a dozen chargers each one different in its own way. The coils on the DEUS are literally the detector. Each one is loaded with electronics and a battery, and so they are $400 on up, and right now there are only a few options. I am partial to just unplugging a coil and plugging in another one, and not needing to keep my coils charged. I like lots of coil options for prospecting, especially very small and very large coils, and XP offers neither for the DEUS. Finally, the DEUS, for lack of a better word, just seems dainty. I want to go four wheelin in the mud, and it is like having a french made sports car. For better or worse, I really cringe at the thought of taking that pretty little thing and rubbing my grimy gloves all over the control box. I feel like I need to baby the headphones. Yeah, there are aftermarket ways around that, but the ones that come with the DEUS are - just cute as can be but not made to use and abuse like prospectors use and abuse stuff. The DEUS is very light, but so is a Gold Bug Pro at 2.5 lbs. At the end of the day, add it all up, and if you offered me both for free, I would rather have the Gold Bug for prospecting. This all seems just terrible when I read it again but it is not to take away from the XP DEUS at all as a detector. It simply is a remarkable detector with a well deserved reputation for making finds in trashy areas other detectors leave behind. But my job here is to speak to the prospecting angle, and there is just nothing here that makes me want to use the DEUS to go gold prospecting. My caveats about battery charging and perceived daintiness are personal issues only. If I was back east and this was my main machine and I was coming west for a week to hunt gold - by all means! No need to buy another machine. Or for guys like Ron that really use it for its primary purpose and appreciate its trash handling capability. And want to use it to hunt gold also. There is a real place for a machine like the DEUS. I however, will stand pat with my recommendation for people in the market for a VLF detector primarily for gold prospecting to stay under the $1000 mark. If you have to go over $1000 then start thinking PI detector. I just do not see the extra dollars spent over $1000 on a flagship VLF detector from any manufacturer to be adding anything to the nugget finding capability, and in most cases actually detracting from it. These higher priced units should be looked to first for what they are really designed to do, and only secondarily as gold nugget prospecting detectors. It was a pleasure using the XP DEUS despite how the above sounded. Just a great little detector, and I am very happy to see another entrant in the field offering new and exciting options for us. XP gets very high marks for responding to their customers desires and there are a lot of very happy DEUS owners out there. My best wishes to the people that work at DEUS and my hope is for for their continued success.
  5. Here are three detectors that offer three different ways to do multi-frequency. First up, the detector on the right, the XP DEUS. This detector allows you to choose from one of four different frequencies, and run any single one at a time. You can choose from 4, 8, 12, or 18 kHz. Second, we have the detector on the far left, the Minelab CTX 3030. This detector looks at a range of frequencies and analyzes several at once. Transmitted frequencies is a bit of marketing magic; all that matters is what a detector processes. The CTX 3030 processes two or three frequencies simultaneously, comparing the results with advanced algorithms to deliver target information. There is no option to process single frequencies. Finally, the detector in the middle, the White's V3i. This detector employs three frequencies, and is unique in that it can process and compare results from all three simultaneously, or run any one single frequency. The choices are 2.5, 7.5, and 22.5 kHz. In a nutshell low frequencies are less reactive to ground minerals and produce cleaner signals on coin size high conductive targets. Low frequencies also better discern ferrous from non-ferrous items. High frequencies are more reactive to ground mineralization and have more issues identifying ferrous trash, but respond better to small low conductive items. Frequencies under 10 kHz tend to be "coin frequencies", 10 kHz to 15 kHz is a good "all around frequency range", and over 15 kHz tends to be the realm of prospecting detectors, though higher frequencies are seeing more use now with others attempting to pull small non-ferrous items out of ferrous trash. European hunters looking for small coins and relic hunters looking for bullets and other items are leaning higher frequency these days. Usually choosing a single frequency will deliver the most power and depth. That is why you do not see multi-frequency nugget detectors, and why out of the three detectors discussed here the Deus with its 18 kHz mode and V3i with its 22.5 kHz mode offer better potential as prospecting units than the CTX 3030. Detectors that process multiple frequencies have a clear edge when running on mineralized salt water beaches. A single frequency can handle the mineralization, or the salt effect, but not both at once. Multi-frequency detectors are the preferred solution for salt water beach applications (not counting PI detectors), and so the CTX 3030 and V3i have a clear edge over the Deus in this regard. Multiple frequency analysis can offer superb discrimination capabilities. When people talk about depth on multi-frequency detectors what they are really talking about is accurate target identification at depth. Many detectors will detect deeper than the multi-frequency units, but not while delivering accurate target id results. The Minelab Explorers and CTX are generally acknowledged as being on the forefront in this regard, no doubt due to the highly secret algorithms they employ to deliver target id results. Anyway, the three detectors here have three different ways of handling the options. In theory the V3i offers the best of both worlds - the ability to run any one frequency or three at once. In practice the V3i is so complex few people ever fully master its capabilities but I do think they have the right idea. A much requested idea for the XP Deus, which is updateable via software, is the ability to run multiple frequencies. On salt water beaches at least this offers an indisputable advantage. Presumably an update to the CTX could offer the ability to run a single frequency, but so far Minelab has shown no interest in such options. It does appear that is where we are heading though - detectors that through proper design and software can become most anything the operator desires.
  6. I have a new XP DEUS detector on the way that should arrive next week. I have not been terribly attracted to the unit as initially it was not really a detector with a specific prospecting mode. That changed in version 3.0 since the DEUS can be updated via software downloads and a Gold Field program was added. They are now up to version 3.2 which is getting raves from users. The main DEUS claim to fame is the ability to pull non-ferrous targets out of thick beds of nails. Like an old coin out of a burned down cabin site. Or ancient stuff out of European fields with a couple thousand years of ferrous trash in the soil. The machine was developed in France originally for the European market. But XP does appear to want it all and so have been aiming updates at what US users are looking for. The unit is totally wireless with all components having built in rechargeable batteries. Most people seem to love this but as a prospector it is not turning me on. I wish everything I had would run off AA batteries, rechargeable or otherwise. The machine is ultra light at two pounds however which is indeed very attractive and it folds up nice and compact to boot. The target id function is regarded as being lackluster at this time with many users saying the machine is in effect a very expensive "beep-dig" detector best suited for just digging all non-ferrous signals. You see what it is when you dig it up. That suits me just fine but Tesoro offers similar functionality for far less as beep-dig is their specialty. XP is getting the raves though for having what is currently regarded as the fastest processing ability currently available for working with multiple targets at once and discerning a single good one buried in a pile of bad. XP calls this reactivity which is another word for recovery time and it can be variably set anywhere from 1-5 on the detector, where 5 is so lightning fast the detector sounds like a machine gun running over targets. It is not all perfect as more reactivity/faster recovery time means less depth but it can do wonders where target masking is an issue for other detectors. But back to prospecting. From the XP Metal Detectors website at http://www.xpmetaldetectorsamericas.com/xp-deus-gold-prospecting "The GOLD FIELD program uses a different detection strategy designed to handle highly mineralized ground containing targets such as gold nuggets. In these ground conditions, small, low-conductive targets are often seen as ground noise or iron, especially when they are deeply buried. To go deeper in these difficult conditions, the GOLD FIELD program uses a true All Metal mode allowing you to accept a whole zone of ground that is usually rejected (Full Range). Rather than rejecting all the ground values below the setting (as on conventional detectors), this new program rejects only the current value of the ground which you have to adjust exactly. To simplify this ground effect adjustment (which is essential in this program), the “pinpoint” touch pad allows you to quickly grab the ground value while pumping the coil to the ground. In this program a few settings are not active or are replaced by others unique to the GOLD FIELD program including: The IAR discrimination (Iron Amplitude Rejection): Adjustable from 0 to 5, IAR is applied only to strong signals (shallow). This avoids the rejection of signals from good targets further away that may sound like ferrous when they are buried in mineralized ground (pg: 10). Immediate sampling of the ground value (Grab) accomplished by simply pressing “Pinpoint” while pumping the coil to the ground. Pinpoint function is deactivated in this program (pg:18/19) Note: The target ID feature is retained when working in the All Metal mode to aid in target identification." Long story short I am working on getting one of these sent my way so I can give it a spin and add to my online review listing of prospecting detectors. The problem with that list is I demand I actually use a machine to review it (crazy idea) and so that really is the basis of all this. I need another VLF detector like I need a hole in the head right now. Sooner or later Steve is having a sale! Until it arrives, the best review I have seen yet is right here on this very forum by goldbrick at http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/104-xp-deus-in-the-goldfields/ It gives me something to look at because for me the only reason to use a VLF detector while prospecting normally is to eliminate ferrous trash. If the DEUS can do this better than existing detecting like a Gold Bug Pro then great. If not, it is a lot of money if something less expensive can do as well or better. At $1899 or $1299 in minimum configuration this is not some $500-$700 VLF. I am not saying it is not a great detector for other uses but that is a lot for a prospecting VLF so it better be special. Kind of like the White's V3i. It has a prospecting mode, but you are paying lots of money for other features you may or may not need. If you need them, great. If not, dedicated units usually serve for less. By the way, the company is XP Metal Detectors, the model is DEUS. Saying XP DEUS is like saying Garrett ATX. DEUS is pronounced day-us
  7. An interesting post by Chris Porter on Findmall's Deus Forum with video of Chris recovering nuggets With the Deus.
  8. My brother and I took my XP Deus out to the Mojave Desert today to try out the new Goldfield program and to test the GB notch feature. We went to the worst ironstone hell hole I know of to put the Deus to the test. This location is literally carpeted with ironstone. PI's struggle there and it is not somewhere I would ever take a VLF expecting to find nuggets. After I figured out how to GB notch (not covered in the manual that I can see) I set the Deus to program 10 (Goldfield) found a clean piece of ground to GB on (it GBed at 87) then swung the detector for a few minutes around the ironstone patch. It was machine gun audio similar to swinging over a bed of nails. Now what follows is in no way a scientific test, just a couple of prospectors trying to figure out a new machines capabilities. Neither my brother or I are experts with a VLF. Your results in a different location may vary, hell they may vary if you went to the same location. I left the Deus in Factory settings, accessed the GB notch function and started notching as I was swinging above the ironstone. It started notching at GB87. Each successive push of the button adds 1 number above and 1 number below GB87. The upper end stops notching at 90 then each successive push just adds 1 to the lower end. I think it will notch from GB 60-90. When the lower number read 85 most of the signal from the ironstone was gone but there were broken tones similar to ones iron emits when it has been partially discriminated. I notched down to GB80 and the detector was relatively quiet when swinging. The next step was to see if the detector would detect gold in this configuration. Toward that end I had brought some nuggets (2, 4, 14, and 32 grain) in those little round plastic display cases. All nuggets were air tested in the display cases sitting on a granite boulder. I am not going to mention depths achieved as we had no accurate way to measure them. I will say that they roughly paralled a GB Pro with 10" elliptical coil we had brought along. My brothers Pro was set on a discrimination setting of 40 which was the minimum he required to quiet the machine when swung over this HOT ironstone. It was impossible to run it in All Metal Mode at this location. Both machines detected all the nuggets to expected depths when sitting on the granite boulder with the aforementioned settings. The problems arose when we placed the test nuggets on top of or next to the ironstone. Detection depths were drastically reduced. I found that to get better depth I needed to notch at GB 85-90. I also reduced the transmit power from a setting of 2 down to 1 (less swamping of the mineralization) which enabled me to up the sensitivity slightly. This seemed to be the best setting to use to ignore most ironstone and yet be able to best detect the nuggets. We tried all sorts of combinations (different size nuggets next to or on top of different size and/or hotness of ironstone) way to many to enumerate here. Suffice it to say we determined that it was POSSIBLE to run the XP Deus, GB notched at 85-90, and the GB Pro, discrimination set at 40, in this the worst ironstone locale I have ever run across even though the depths attained on the test nuggets were severly impacted. Is it the smart thing to do? Well I wouldn't if I was coming back, I would grab my GPX 4500 and leave the VLFs at home. Seeing as we were already there we decided to detect awhile. I chose a location near an old fire pit thinking no PI guy is going to come within 30' of this place and I was rewarded with about 20 targets, none gold. After we burned out on detecting the ironstone hell we headed for some cleaner dirt about a mile away. I wanted to see how the Deus performed in a more normal setting in regards to the goldfield program and GB notch effectiveness. Upon arriving at the spot I had to change the settings back to what I had settled on earlier as I had failed to save them to a custom program in one of the 8 slots provided for that. When you turn the detector off, any factory program you have tweaked resets to default. The menu tree on the Deus is well set up and very intuitive to learn. This was my 3rd time out with the detector and I have pretty much mastered it. One thing I love about this detector is you can quickly make adjustments to various settings while swinging over a target to maximize it's performance for your current location/conditions. In short order I had made the setting changes so I GBed then started detecting up a small wash. The GB notch seemed to do its job as I observed some of the hot rocks local to the area so turned the notch off/on to double check them. This technique is not "Gods Gift" to VLF prospectors but it is a useful function albeit you do get some broken tones over hotrocks on occasion but they are easily identifiable as such. What was not acceptable was the poor performance of the TID on small targets. Just as the GB Pro has TID numbers in All Metal Mode, so does the Deus. On the Deus it takes a fairly large target (in the world of nugget shooting not coin hunting) at shallow depth for the screen to show any number at all. You have to understand that this machine was not built as a gold machine. It was designed to be a top notch coin and relic machine for the plowed fields and forests of Europe. Any VLF struggles with accurate TID at depth and the designers of the Deus decided rather than provide a TID with questionable accuracy that if the machine did not have a good idea what the conductivity of the target was it would report nothing. This actually makes sense as first and foremost the Deus is a tone machine. When they created the goldfield program I imagine the software designers did not think to change the parameters for TID reporting as I doubt they are gold prospecting in the south of France. Hopefully this will be something they can change when they next upgrade the software. When you purchase a Deus all future software upgrades are free for life. I eventually got disgusted because if I want to dig every target I will bring a PI along so I went and grabbed my GB pro and went back to work. Conclusions - these were two short hunts at very different locations with a new machine that is unfamiliar to me and I am about as dumb as dumb can get when it comes to VLF metal detectors so please don't flame me. The Deus is a great detector. The light weight wireless configuration with blazing fast processor speed will rock your world when it comes to coin and relic hunting. I am impressed by the build quality and thought that went into this machine. With the advent of software version 3.2 it now has the gold field program and GB notch. This was a step in the right direction but the designers need to confer with an expert gold nugget detectorist to get the TID issue up to snuff for prospectors. Once this is taken care of I would think this detector performance wise would be close to the other mid-range hertz gold detectors. As it stands now you will dig way more small iron with the Deus. The GB notch feature could really shine in specific areas littered with hot rocks but more testing needs to be done by the experts in a scientific manner at a number of locations to prove this. The fact that there are no coil or headphone wires to snag on brush is a bonus but the lack of a small elliptical DD coil available restricts where you can use it effectively although the stock 9" round DD seems to be a good coil. This post was in no way intended as a shoot out between the XP Deus and GB Pro. They just happen to be two VLF detectors I own and am slightly familiar with. Regards, Merton XP DEUS Data & User Reviews
  9. I had a few hours out with my new Deus today. Picked it up from UPS at 0830 a.m. and I was hunting dirt by noon ;-) I had read the manual 3 times, Andy's Sabsich's book once, and a lot of posts on the internet including watching videos so I had the barest grasp of what this machine will do. This part of the Mojave Desert had very few people in it up until the 1930's and not a large population after so the coin and relic possibilities are slim. I had decided to detect around an old club house that I was certain had been pounded. I am staying in the clubs RV park so I walked out the door and fired the Deus up. I was not to concerned with finding good stuff, I just wanted to learn to navigate the menu tree, settings, and the tones. I started detecting in a fairly clean area then as I familiarized myself with the machine I worked my way towards the club house and into more trash, changing settings over targets to see the effect of different combinations. I ended up only recovering one silver coin, a 1950 quarter that was almost touching a nail and about a bucks worth of clad. The education I received from the Deus was the prize of the day. I used 4 khz to discriminate iron, I did the backwards wiggle to discriminate bottlecaps and to pinpoint. I dug a lot of pulltabs since there wasn't much for coins but plenty of co-located tabs to learn on. Most of my detecting has been gold nugget hunting with PI machines. I have 3 VLF's but don't use them much. I had tried a F75 about 3 years ago and never could seem to master it, to be fair I did not use it much as I preferred my GPX 4500. If it beeps, dig it. I was a little nervous about buying the Deus for coin and relic and ending up with another machine that did not suit me. My fears were unfounded as that Deus is one sweet machine. Although I only have a few hours on it, the programs, tones, and settings all make sense to me instilling confidence that this machine will produce some finds. Regards, Merton
  10. Hi Steve, Thanks for all the excellent info you post on this forum. Your posts here and on Dankowski's forum have piqued my interest in coin and relic hunting once again. I have recently been using my GB Pro and Whites TDI as coin and relic machines around old mining camps. Not too many good finds yet but a lot of fun none the less. I have actually found my best coin with my GPX 4500 while nugget hunting. Anyway, when using the GB Pro I find that detecting in nail pits with disc 26 to 39 (per Nasa Tom's forum) I get a sore neck from watching the TID. If I am at disc 39 I can't just dig all high tones due to the massive amount of lead and brass at these sites. I have been toying with the idea of buying an XP Deus for these activities and assigning tones and/or notching for what I want to recover (site dependent) to get away from reliance on the TID. Now with the release of Version 3.2 that includes the Goldfield program( basically all metal mode and tighter ground balance?) and the ability to notch out some hot rocks in the ground balance range the urge to purchase is VERY strong. This detector since it runs at 18 KHZ, has the new goldfield program, and can GB notch hot rocks, could be a great nugget detector but there is no info on the net I can find. Steve or anyone else, do you have any input or experience hunting small gold nuggets with the XP Deus? Shouldn't it perform somewhere between an F75 and the GB Pro on gold? Regards, Merton p.s. I have a GBII so I don' t care if it recovers fly poop.
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