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I use the noise cancel a lot so I assigned the top right soft key for it 😁

Thank you for detail explanations and I did buried high conductive coin at one of my relic site, like Strick said the HC has slight advantage over the General mode .Only 1 more possible problem for me to find the answer though before I am satisfied with my machine.. that I can hunt with the sensitivity of 35 with the coil submerge in salt water and what unforeseen ground/target reaction etc, maybe the 35 sensitivity overwhelm the noise, the ground.. I don't know ... but for now I'll run with the sensitivity of 29.

Congratulations on capturing the elusive mythical beast 😁

all setting are the same for both modes. Recovery was at 4 for default recovery speed i need to reset it back and check

It caught me by surprise that the general mode is deeper about an inch compare to HC mode for high conductive coin. I mean the HC should be deeper than General even on air test?. Assuming its using much lower frequency weight in than the general mode right? I will test it today at relic site.. If general mode is still deeper than HC for high conductive target... I don't know maybe there is something wrong with my machine

I did an air test between these 2 modes by using a high conductor copper coin (ID-91). The AT general has depth advantage over AT High conductor mode around an inch. Both mode used same setting: sensitivity - 18, recovery speed - 4, ground balance - 0, audio theme Normal + Simple. AT High conductor should go deeper? Did I do or think wrong? Would love to know your thought and if possible same air test to compare result. Thank you in advance

Alright, do tell what it does to your manticore.. I would love to eliminate the possibility of my manticore not working in optimal performance..

Did you tried the beach general mode coil submerge in the water?

I did buried a mid conductor coin. This is the rough and early assumptions though.. I did gain something until the sensitivity of 27.. 29. I think 29 to 35 is suitable to check/focus on the deepest, weakest target.. Its like watching very blurry image, cranked up the sensitivity the image is not so blurry anymore.. but still blurry but need to employ the minelab wiggle.. I hope I express this well.. lol.. I mean from the target ID/trace all over the place to tighter? target ID/trace but still loose... I think lowering the reactivity will give the same effect as long as the ground permit For me the question is to find for my sweet spot setting... roughly for now... Now I got options (of course with the blessing of EMI god and ground god, need to have both blessing to run very high sensitivity 😑) : a) Running High sensitivity with High recovery speed example lets say 27 to 29 sensitivity with 6 or 7 recovery speed or b) Running Mid sensitivity with low recovery speed lets say sensitivity of 23 to 25 with 3 or 4 recovery speed or c) Don't want to think much I run with 29 sensitivity with recovery speed of 4 😁

Short video on Manticore with the sensitivity of 34 on the test run. Near the end of the video I reduced the sensitivity to check on the iron target response with lower sensitivity. it was between dry and wet sand near the time of high tides around 90 minutes from the video was recorded.

I can ran the manticore with max sensitivity on wet salt salt sand and coil submerge (above ankle deep, not fully submerge to control pod though) with huntable falsing/noise for me. Its not like the equinox act crazy by using beach 1 full sensitivity with coil submerged. The manticore is more tame. I was under Impression that beach general works more or less like beach mode 1 on equinox. On the equinox I can get away with beach 1 on (most of the time) wet salt sand and beach mode 2 while coil submerged at this beach. I don't know if other manticores at my area submerged their coil too or not and what mode they used. I do know they ran 30 sensitivity at wet beach. They also running the manticore for the first time at that particular beach. For now I will be using/testing the sensitivity of 27-29. Its make the weak/faint signal standout little bit more from background chatter to my liking. I'll go to the other beaches and see if I can run high sensitivity or not while learning the machine especially on ground/target response when using high sensitivity.

Most manticore here (that I knew off) ran at the sensitivity of 30. They cant hunt above 30 due to excessive EMI chatter. They didn't use the top secret manticore feature though which is.......the long press noise cancel me think 🤣... Saltwater hunting. I also think I received a bad machine or coil (one of the reason because other manticore can run at 30 but mine can run 35) so yesterday I compare mine (which I called Kersani btw 😁) to another manticore (air test) with the same coin, gold ring, silver ring by using same setting for both machine. The problem is we only can run at the sensitivity of 20 due to EMI (at my office area) and the result are the same. I need to go to the beach to compare it again with full sensitivity and coil submerge and see how its goes. For now I think my machine is in good condition. Its still confuses me that I can ran without the machine act crazy when the coil submerged in beach general mode with max sensitivity. I will update more info when i go to the beach again. I am still gathering data for the pros and con of silence/pleasant setting compare to high sensitivity setting that come with amplified ground signal, falsing, headache

Hello there, would love to hear opinions/finding from detectorist that can run high sensitivity at the beach. I just got back from the beach and something is bugging me. I ran the manticore with the sensitivity of 27 around 30 minutes and keep increasing the sensitivity to see how its react to EMI and the ground. To my surprise I can run the sensitivity to the max with minimal EMI as the video shows. Heck I can even run it with the coil submerge with manageable falsing signal. With 35 sensitivity the ground lit up, coin 6 inch deep sound like coin on surface (not double beep tones though), almost everything ferrous or non ferrous sound good (I'm ok with all this since I used max setting). The things that bugging me are: a) There is no difference in depth from the sensitivity of 31 to 35. It just tones become louder like stronger signal. The target signal cut off at almost the same height while I increased the coil from the ground when I try to find out the depth differences. b) I can hunt with the sensitivity of 35 using beach general in the water (coil only submerge) with some falsing. Please note that the aim for me at the beach today is to see how well the manticore can run on wet salt sand and learning the language of manticore. I didn't investigate thoroughly since I didn't have much time. Hope you guys can understand what I'm trying to convey since English is not my primary language and I also hope I'm doing something wrong. Setting I use are: Sensitivity as above Recovery speed : 3 ( at dry sand and wet sand), 5 (coil submerge) Ground balance: +\- 14 (tracking) Mode: Beach General Audio: Normal with Rich profile

Hi guys, I'm thinking to buy the bluetooth bone conductions headphone for the manticore. What question should I ask to the shop regarding the chipset.. i dont know... bluetooth model? that compatible with the manticore or should I bring the manticore to the shop and test it out 1 by 1 😁

Same here All metal + 1 Region All tones aka full tones + rich profile with lower iron volumes

I am still testing the 2 audio themes, Regarding increasing sensitivity in EMI even Normal theme + Rich profile suppress a certain amount of charter hence I can increase 1 sensitivity value sometimes. With enhanced audio its suppress even more, I'm thinking more than 60% of audible chatter gone + Rich audio theme i can increase about 1 or 3 sensitivity value. I also love the Rich audio with 1 region All tones very very much 😁. Its awesome man but need to use headphones. The speaker does not do justice for Rich audio for me. I will be using it in most of my hunt. For now I'm using 2 tones + Simple profile for Normal vs 1 region all tones + Rich profile for Enhanced audio looking fault/weakness in enhanced audio. I hope it just my imaginations that I will lose deep/faint/weak signal when using enhanced audio. With manticore I'm using a lot of the long press noise cancel feature.

Headphones or speaker? for me the speaker on the manticore is not suitable for rich audio profile in normal or in enhanced audio theme. The speaker is clear enough for normal theme with simple/medium profile tho..

I can run mine with the sensitivity of 28-30 with little bit of chatter - huntable for me, regarding the sensitivity I am happy. For now I use/test the manticore on clean/minimal iron ground only to learn what its telling me like a first date so to speak 😄. The setting I use are : Sensitivity: 28-30 recovery speed: 4 Enhanced audio theme with rich profile My concern is the deep faint signal "missing' when using the audio setting above.

Hello there Strick, I guess the 'boosted EMI immunity" works. I know u can only run sensitivity of 20 due to ground conditions. If the ground permits, how high you can run the sensitivity before the EMI occurs back? . Have you played with tonal themes?, especially the Enhanced Audio theme. The manual stated "The Enhanced Audio Theme is similar to Normal, but is optimized for detecting in high EMI scenarios. Weak detections like EMI chatter will remain audible, but will have a modulated audio timbre that will sound more 'thin' or 'tinny' than stronger detections. This has the effect of suppressing EMI chatter, making it easier to listen 'through', to hear non-random signals that consistently repeat with each swing. Larger signals from strong/shallow targets will sound more 'robust' similar to the Normal Audio Theme. This Audio Theme can also allow users to increase Sensitivity (in EMI-limited locations) higher than would be possible using the Normal Audio Theme." Does this works to increase a bit more sensitivity?. I'm trying to figure out on how to maximize the sensitivity, if the ground conditions at my area permit me to do that but that's another variable to figure out on site. Thank you in advance.

Hello there, I'm still researching on mandymoore and I stumble upon a few video that the manicure tester mentioned about -99 to 0 for ferrous target ID (if I'm not mistaken). My question is what I can expect or how can I utilize from this -99 to 0 range data when detecting on the field. I'm sorry if this question has been answered before, I cant find it. Happy hunting wherever you at.

\ yeah, the top ferrous region is FE and the bottom region is F2 like on the equinox. I'm wondering does any aftermarket bone conduction earphone can be use with manticore wirelessly. I cant take risk using the full cup headphone because of environmental awareness since at my detecting site people has encounter wild animal like python, cobra, crocodile and wildhog etc

Wow Nox 800 is high end machine? all this time I thought the nox is mid level machine. That put some things into perspective. I will hold of to buy another detector for now. I guess I need to think like IF I buy a another high end detector I'm paying for the features like 2D screen or XY screen, detail customise tones control. vibrating handle 🙄 etc. If its come with extra (even few millimeters ) detection/ good target ID at depth, its a pleasant bonus. Another side of my brain said "just buy the goddam detector. Enjoy life while I can. Lets vs the ground and nature together"'. Thank you again for all the response, information's and experienced.

Thank you to Mr Elnino77 for the questions, video and information's that made me think. For now my conclusion are even the high end machines fighting/squeezing for the last detections depth. Maybe some machines have an advantage of few centimeter's more (or millimeters for that matter) of detection depth or maybe some machines can get just a few millimeters more of accurate target ID at maximum target ID detection depth from other machines and I willing to pay hundreds or thousand of dollars for that centimeters. What is wrong with me....

I think manticore will fit my hunting needs/conditions from what i research, I mean the manicure give the sensitivity up to 35 and if its follow the same equinox sensitivity, seldom I used max sensitivity of 25 due to EMI and ground falsing. Hopefully the boosted EMI thingy works. Anyway I'll wait for hands on usage by detectorist when it come out. In meantime I'll hunt with my trusty buddy Mr Noxy. Thank you for the feedback. Happy hunting wherever you are.

Thank you for the response. For me when I jumped to the equinox 800 4 years ago it helped me a lot on the site that I detect mostly in oil palm plantations which is mineralized dependent on day/tides (the site is near river close to the ocean as I noticed I lose depth when high tides). I love the nox so much so I bought all the minelab coil and I'm happy with all the purchase except the 15' coil though due to the fact that I cant increase sensitivity because its introduce more EMI so its the more or less like 11' coil . I only get the coverage advantage over the 11' coil. There was some scenario which I wondered if the high end detector help the signal clarity or even gives more depth on dig or not to dig signal. For example : a) by using equinox Field 1 (11' coil) sensitivity of 21-23/recovery speed of 5 on this hunt. Got a faint repeatable signal that doesn't register on ID that made me stop and investigate. After a few slow sweep I got negative ID on the nox. b) Increased the sensitivity to 25 and lower the reactivity to 3 ( I usually do not use the recovery speed below 5 because for me the tones is like dragging? and its hard to decipher with that kind of dragging). With this setting i get jumpy ID bouncing around 18 to 30. c) below is the picture of the hole i dug and the item I found in the hole Picture 1: I hope this picture can give the perception of depth. The soil is wet clay, when in dry climate the clay is hard like a stone brick. Picture 2: 280 years old coin Here come the Deus 2 and Motleycorew. I've done some research regarding Dues 2 online since I cant test it physically in my country. There's practically no one in my country that I know of using the XP product. If lets say, I decide to buy the XP deus 2, there will be no support whatsoever from XP that close to me. For minelab product, there is no problem with support. For now my eyes is on XP Deus 2, because it abilty to choose much more single frequencies compare to minelab with the hope of the Deus 2 single frequency mode is similar with Deus 1 (as i read and watch video on deus 1) performance and tonal wise. For mild ground with dense iron I will be using the single frequency mode on deus 2. At least that is my thinking for now until the manticore been tested and review on this forum. Thank you again for reading and reply.