midalake

3 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

That may be the best Freudian Slip I've ever seen on this website!  (Not picking on you, midalake as many of us -- including myself -- have done similar.)  It's just so appropriate in this case I had to highlight it.

Ya, I was grasping for a word. Variables didn't work...Well it least one of the definitions is bother. So, it is a bother to learn a detector fully. 😁

On 8/30/2022 at 10:29 PM, Pyriteboy said:

5 trips to the desert detecting with no gold.....my last beach gold was late last winter.

Sorry for your gold slump. Hope you score soon. Had no idea how much that ring was worth you posted. NICE! 

On 9/1/2022 at 6:33 AM, Dancer said:

 It just seems to me that some can fully evaluate a machine in far, far less time than others.   I got to admit I often learn something new every time I go out.   So having comparisons with a few machines ( some borrowed ) on a handful of targets (some staged ) and then making a decision is beyond my pay grade. 

Think I know where you are going with thoughts? 

For me when I grab a new machine, I consider the platform and then the tones and nuisances, so it is a two-prong approach. 
I would say it is rather easy for me now to evaluate a new machine at the beach and get pretty close as to its full performance by looking at buried targets and comparing to another machine on wild targets.
 
Example: When I posted my 5-day review of the D2, back in March, looking back and now owning the machine I can confidently say that everything I posted was spot on and I would not retract anything for the conditions we tested.
But imagine my surprise when I was on the same beach in July and could not even run in the same mode!!!  

Going back to what I said in the beginning about a two-prong approach. The second stage of learning the tonal nuisances, working with close conductors, and learning the machine with different soil/sand conditions takes much longer than 25 hours in 5 days. To understand the second phase, you're looking at 100-300 hours depending on the person. 

6 minutes ago, darksky10 said:

I wondered if anyone else experienced the same situation and I do hope that the North American Minelab people are responsive. Any comments would be appreciated and I’m happy to join this group! I really enjoyed using the detector while it lasted and had a really good experience when I was land detecting With this machine at my grandson!

 

Minelab is responsive. If you are in warranty, there is little to be concerned about. They will replace it! 

1 hour ago, King-Of-Bling said:

All this talk about power is really just that : talk , until it's out and we get to use it. But a full charge takes 7 hours in this day and age ?

I don't know but seems like my Equinox if run down takes about this amount of time? That is on a 2.1 amp charger. ??? 
I would want the battery power necessary to do a hunt. I don't see charge time a game breaker! 

Awesome coin. Way to go on picking the right mode for the right job! 

46 minutes ago, phrunt said:

One thing I've noticed with the Equinox is an air gap between the coil and the soil dramatically cuts depth, it prefers to be really close to the soil,

Am sure I will be corrected and scolded soon😁

But I have NEVER had a machine that did not go deeper by scrubbing the coil. I am a coil scrubber believer from WAY back............

27 minutes ago, Cal_Cobra said:

Tom Dankowski had positive comments on the added power, and potential applications as well as the 99 point iron range.  Definitely going to be an unusual and interesting machine 👍

They are giving the Manti 4 beach modes......right up my alley! 

2 hours ago, Denny said:

I would love to see a video between Deus2 and  tarsacci in heavy blacksand.

After having run them both in Moderate-heavy Black Sand, I say your winner might be the D2.
For the sole reason of the different programs available on the D2. It allows for better tackling of conditions.

2 hours ago, ☠ Cipher said:

This machine can be overdriven in the extreme, and we are going to see lots of people doing that, then complaining about instability. For myself though, I’d rather have the option to overdrive it than to wonder if something more is being left on the table. 

I could not agree with you more. I think way too many overdrive the electronics and do not understand the finer points of getting deep targets. 
I FULLY understand the difference between 21 and 24 on the Equinox. If Tom can run at 28, that makes me go hummmmmmmm! 

1 hour ago, afreakofnature said:

The lead engineer in one of the vids said 50% more power than the Nox.  It doesn’t mean the Core will have 50% more depth (although would be nice for detecting junky nugget ground).  With more power though comes more EMI a la GPX6000.  Can’t waith to hear people starting complaining about this noisy detector when you go above 21 on sensitivity.  🤣🤣

Or maybe they will complain when the sensitivity is set at 31? 

Nice chains!!! You're in the right spot! Gold is there!  You guys are killing me here, sitting on this new hip! 

1 hour ago, midalake said:

I have already asked this question? 

How is it possible to take a metal [stainless steel] that IDs in the gold range with a +1 or better and now make it -1 or lower. With keeping Gold +1 and better? 

This would appear to be nearly impossible? 

Well it seems like not "all" stainless will ID as -1 and below.

"midalake..... Stainless annular items (like stainless rings) will still ID just like gold.....as a non-ferrous. Non-annular stainless items are where you will see a "ID span" in the iron range. You can also 'push' deep into the Iron Bias.....and help stainless become positive-ID non-ferrous numbers.... if you choose."

So, guessing, certain lower grade 304 stainless might/could end up with negative ID Numbers. 

7 minutes ago, midalake said:

On the beach....... expanded iron ID is important:
* Stainless jewelry ID's on the high end of the iron ID range.,.,.,.,., usually in the -14 to 0 ID iron range.
* Stainless Swiss Army knifes, Stainless watches...... stainless hardware is in that -18 to 0 iron ID range.

I have already asked this question? 

How is it possible to take a metal [stainless steel] that IDs in the gold range with a +1 or better and now make it -1 or lower. With keeping Gold +1 and better? 

This would appear to be nearly impossible? 

MORE, from one of the designers of the Manticore.[Tom D.] This will answer some questions. 

Dan..... you ask about the benefits of 'expanded iron ID range'. Manticore has a -99 to 0 iron ID range. Because most of us have never been exposed (had the tools/availability) to a high-resolution iron ID range....... we would (unsuspectingly) never know just exactly 'what' it would/could do for us.
If you are an Archaeologist ...... there's tremendous benefit. Iron implements make up a very large portion of archaeological interest. With this expanded iron ID range.... here are some of the benefits:
* It is SO easy to tell the decomposition-rate/status of the iron you are dealing with.
* If there are 2 generations of iron in the ground........say........ 200-year old iron nails........and 450-year old iron nails.,.,.,.,.,., their decomposition status/rate will be different....and present a very distinct, discernable large ID delta/difference.....that you will see in the Manticore iron ID range.
* Different generations of mankind....have produced different types of iron. Annealed, alloyed, wrought, cast......etc........etc. They all have different conductive bandwidth spans...... that now can be delineated with Manticore.
* When you detect unfamiliar/new territory...... the 'type' of iron and the 'age' of the iron implements. , . , . , can really dictate the era of the area. Hammered square nails,,, cut square nails,,, round (modern) nails ..... all have a different conductive bandwidth that can only be expressed in an expanded iron ID range. (Can you start to see attributes to a hobby detectorist yet).

On the beach....... expanded iron ID is important:
* Stainless jewelry ID's on the high end of the iron ID range.,.,.,.,., usually in the -14 to 0 ID iron range.
* Stainless Swiss Army knifes, Stainless watches...... stainless hardware is in that -18 to 0 iron ID range.
* Nuts, bolts, screws, nails, bobby-pins, fish hooks........ are in the iron ID range of -60 to -20 iron ID range.
* Natural recurring ironstone ID's -98 or -99.
You will see a 'pattern'.... that is very educational/tuitional.

IF you could figure out a way to wire a EQX coil to the new Manticore...... the Manticore would blow/burn it out. Soooo...... coils are NOT interchangeable. (There's also other reasons for incompatibility).
The coil has tighter tolerances....and more stuff in it; hence, soooo........it must be built heavier-duty. The extra 2 heli-arc'd fore-aft curved ribs are not very hydrodynamic; yet, are a necessity.
Coil ears. Would you rather break a few-hundred dollar coil? Or break a $50 lower shaft ((of which NOW has the coil ears on the shaft....instead of the coil)).
Yes..... Sens now goes up to '35'. And yes..... a EQX Sens of '21'..... is fairly equiv to a Sens of '21' on MC.

Manticore is indeed one entire generation (next-gen) above EQX.
For the near-forseeable future..... EQX will remain on the market. EQX is $1000..... MC is $1500. Differing price-points.

If you have an EQX......and you acquire a MC.....,,,,,, the 'transition' will be very comfortable. (Familiar....comfort-zone. , . , . , . , . and by no accident).

A long time ago...... I stated EQX was a continuous/ongoing product AND process. Here it is! Manticore!

50% more power to the coil does not equate to 50% more depth.
There is something else..... that helps make up for this. And..... since it is in a video....that has gone viral......I will share/expound:
One (of the two) MAJOR points-of-focus was MEGA MITIGATION OF EMI.
Sooooo........ without divulging too much.,.,.,.,., you will notice something in the video(s)..... that MC has a Noise Cancel feature that is Press-AND-HOLD the EMI Noise Cancel button....and it will continuously SIMULTANEOUSLY search ALL Noise Cancel channels ALL at the SAME TIME.
There are other ADDITIONAL things we've done to mitigate EMI. But.........in a nutshell....... as an example..... if you are hunting an area whereby you could run EQX on Sens '22'.,.,.,., MC's better EMI mitigation abilities will allow you to run Sens on '26'. Don't think this is a big deal??? Go back to any of your 'hunted out' sites that had some EMI....... and try again!!! Then 'reevaluate' !!!

I have a ton I want to say/share about Manticore; yet, I am reluctant/apprehensive .... as the product is NOT quite complete. I am even apprehensive about what data has ALREADY been released....and the product is still not on the market yet. Other Mfr's are keenly watching (copying).....circumnavigating around patents.
 

Gold in the hand, better than two in the bush[somewhere] Awesome Finds!!

10 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Dave (midalake) linked a post from the Dankowski forum quoting Nasa Tom as saying Manticore has an ID scale from -99 to +99 with salt being 0....................if that is true.......hmmmmmm, lots of fun for us folks that often spend the whole day hunting in the wrap around zone!

Hey Jeff
I see the Horseshoe Mode..😊 
I can only hope that the Manticore has the frequency weighting to pull off what the equinox does, by nonferrous Single ringing and Ferrous targets Double Ringing or breaking down on a 360 look! 
My Mex Friend already said he is going to buy one, so I expect a visit from him in January 👍 We will put that sucker through the ropes! 

Just now, Cal_Cobra said:

Ironically the Minelab Sovereign originally had a 550 segment TID meter, people complained about it and then they came out with a scaled down meter, so more isn't always better. 

😆 Remember quite vividly changing both my Sovereign meters to "180" scale!

54 minutes ago, phrunt said:

lets say a type of nail, this nail on the large iron range came in for example at -22, but you wanted to dig iron relics but avoid that particular nail that's everywhere, you could ignore -22 and get most of the good iron targets you wanted to get.

I see a Horseshoe mode on the Manticore. I hunt with the horseshoe mode ON with the Equinox. This is the only way the ferrous mode is accepted.

Minelab is going to have to come up with some special sauce on that iron range stuff, Because: I find iron targets on the Equinox bounce all over the place. Rarely do I EVER see a ferrous target lock. This will be interesting to watch!

This was just posted by Tom D.

Gary...... We've been working on the Manticore for nearly 3 years. A TON has gone into this one. And with different 'mindset'. I will share more data.....as time permits...... AND = when it will NOT infringe upon sales of other stuff.,.,.,.,., and/or C.O.I
Something I want to clarify.... that Mark Lawrie stated in the YouTube video: The ID system is on a scale of 99 points. So is the scale of iron ID range! -99 to 0. (Negative 99 to 0). (((Salt ID's as '0'))). This is to say: Nearly a 200-point ID span.
There were 2 VERY primary 'focus-of-intent' into this project.
There's a few more loose-ends to button up.

VERY Interesting>>> 99 points of Ferrous range, and 99 points of Nonferrous range.....

So, I guess we can put all the speculation of a software update to rest. 😂

I have looked at several different Vids scrolling through modes. I see 4 different beach modes? Anyone else see this? 

Also, can you use wired headphones? 

5 hours ago, strick said:

Till it snaps in two then the ocean guys will be calling it a pos....just sayin

strick

1 minute ago, Rick N. MI said:

I haven't heard of anyone using this. I hunt fresh water lakes. I don't know if it can handle fresh water or ocean.

It is marketed for ocean use. It is really hard to break Carbon Fiber..........

35 minutes ago, Luis said:

 

 

 

the last video is of the little treasure that appeared in the same contest in England where the manticore was presented

WOW>>>> I COUNTED 4 DIFFERENT BEACH MODES! 

11 hours ago, Jennifer said:

When I buy my Milwaukee M18 tools, I have the option to buy “tool only” if I already have batteries, chargers etc…. I wish they did the same for detectors…. No coil included so you could use ones you have or order the one you want, not what they want you to have.

XP gives you the option to buy just the remote [D2], and any piece of the package you want.