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6 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

It’s surprising that such an incremental increase in sensitivity could overcome the inherent raw depth loss in Beach 2 due to the lower transmit power (to increase black sand stability) associated with that mode.

Maybe it is my pod and coil combo?  I am not the only one though that has not noticed an advantage running Beach 1. It has been mentioned by others, on several forums.
There is hunting sensitivity, then enhancement sensitivity. If I am hunting in Beach 2 at 22 and find a difficult target, I do not have an issue going to 24 just to get a better look at that one target. I can usually move two points of sensitivity regardless of the conditions. Now take a combo of Beach 1 at 20 with the ability to 22. YES, there is a difference.

12 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Dave, I’ve never known you to be someone who knowingly puts themselves at a settings “disadvantage” under real world conditions

correct. 

13 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

One thing I have never really understood is what you describe as a “double hit” as a telltale for 100% ferrous targets.  Does that happen with shallow/big ferrous due to coil edge sensitivity or what?

*I have no idea if this works in another mode than Beach 2.

Most of the ferrous at the beach is .50 cent size and less, also nails of all types and sizes.  

The double ring on ferrous happens at ALL depths, and for the deepest targets you get the one-sided signal breakdown more often.  High nonferrous targets can also double ring however these WILL lock out on the positive TID side making for easy diggers. ALL Nonferrous targets at depth will ONLY single ring. [you cannot even make them double ring by mistake] 

It is as simple as ding/pause/ding.  Coil control is critical, and one will pick up on the cadence needed soon enough, 

Reason:?  I am thinking without question the edges of the coil read each side of the ferrous targets. I am also guessing it has something to do with frequency weighting in Beach 2. 

Everyone needs to know [again] I have no idea if this works in any different mode than Beach2. 

4 hours ago, Badger-NH said:

The horseshoe button shouldn't have any affect on depth.  All it does is turn the low tones on or off.

 

I prove this wrong at every hunt with nonferrous targets. 

3 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

I generally can get to 22 before it gets chirpy.  Most often I settle in at 20. 

OK, on those days where you can only do 20 sens, don't be afraid to run the same settings in Beach 2. You should be able to at least run 22 in Beach2. 

4 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

The Deus is a good machine on small gold, don't get me wrong, and will satisfy most people in that regard. It's just not a "game changer" or any of that nonsense, when it comes to small gold. And no, 40 kHz only is not going to change that.

I guess running both machines now and testing small items, I agree with Steve. I do not see a bonus to either machine on a beach with detectable small gold. In the picture below, I found this chain with the Equinox a broken "1" tid signal. Buit strong and repeatable.  In an air test [not the same, i get it] The deus2 seemed to get a better signal to the Equinox. However could of been a different story in my Black Sand.
I think an important topic missed, is what function can you run in with the Deus2. I think for most beach hunters you can forget wet/sand water contact for Beach Sensitive.    
It is clear to me with wild finds that neither machine is going to have an advantage on small items. I already have the 9" coil for the Deus2 and I do not anticipate this will make any difference on small gold targets from what I tested.  There was some anticipation and hype from some about with the D2 on filling coffee cans with small gold. The reality is that is not going to happen. 

1 hour ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

Here in S. CA falsing in Beach 1 isn't an issue so I run it most of the time. 

But letting me know your current sensitivity range tells me what your conditions is.
After all I can get Beach 1 to hunt quiet, but the sensitivity is not acceptable. 
Are you able to hunt 21 sensitivity and over? 

10 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

This is really fascinating stuff. How high do you run your sensitivity when hunting this way and any other settings different than the pre-sets that I should be aware of?  I'm very curious to try this out the next time I'm at the beach.

I can run sensitivity between 20 and 24, depending on Black sand.

IB, and recovery both at 6. IB the original f-6.

I do run 1 or 2 points of threshold [it seems to enhance deep targets] and really even with the good headphones I have you cannot hear the threshold at 1 or 2. 

Because it is going to sound like a new world to you> hearing everything even Black Sand ticks try not to run the sensitivity at your max. Run it pretty clean and if you get a deep target [and are unsure] then bump the sens 1or2 to look at just that target. 
Once you get a hang for the single, double ring targets, then increase your sens.  
One more point, good coil control is needed to hear the double ring, you have to swing slow over the target and be centered best as possible. It is OK to have have a half fast regular swing but when you get a hit [slow down] It is real easy to know where the center of the target is in horseshoe mode, and you will never need to use pinpoint again! 

I really don't like Beach 1 and never hunt it. I can get much more sensitivity and less falsing in beach 2. Sensitivity wins with the equinox. 

What sensitivity range are you hunting now? 

 

26 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

Great info! 👍

What kind of negative numbers? As low as -9?

No not down to -9.
Usually a splattering, -1 to -5 [because the target is already deep and nonferrous.]

4 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

He told me that the best way to run an Equinox at the beach is in all metal single tone which he swears gets better depth, comparable to the Deus II.  He said that he hunts by ID and ignores the tone so he doesn't need any multi-tones.

Yes, I hunt this way, except I use Beach 2 because Beach 1 cannot handle my Black Sand/Wet sand-salt mix.  
 

4 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

which he swears gets better depth, comparable to the Deus II.

In direct wild target testing we could not get the Deus 2 to beat the Equinox in the Horseshoe mode.
 

4 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said:

my experience over the years is that on really deep targets I may not get a target ID but I will get a sound.  In his setup, without tone ID I would have no way of identifying the target if there is no ID on the screen.

I have taken this one step further because of what the Horseshoe mode can do. On deep targets, if the target single rings and does not have a directional breakdown on 360 inspection it is nonferrous 95% of the time. These targets WILL have negative tid numbers, if deep enough, including gold. 
Likewise, any target that double rings or breaks down on a 360 inspection is ferrous, 100% of the time. 

This works down to the faintest signals. Signals that will not even appear in the discrimination mode. So I would not worry about "missing anything" 
 

31 minutes ago, okara gold said:

I sent these pictures to the owner who was surprised and promised me another one. Never received it.

You don't want another one. His doodad helped break my coil ear. SunRay have the best quality stiffeners by far. 

On 7/12/2022 at 1:40 PM, okara gold said:

I purchased a coil ear stiffener for the Equinox from Doodads and after a few months' time it broke. I sent a nice email to Don with a picture of the broken stiffener

The infill plastic he uses is JUNK! 

2 hours ago, Rob in (ca) said:

‘The Nox is still useable, must Operate it as  a PI Detector, you just need to dig all Targets including Iron. 

Not sure how you're detecting as a PI? Why would you have to dig everything?
I had really nasty black sand the last few weeks. My iron ratio was almost the same 5 of 100 targets.  

On 7/31/2022 at 10:38 AM, Jeff McClendon said:

Thanks for letting us know Dave.

Good luck.

The remote was shipped yesterday............

NO.

13 hours ago, Erik Oostra said:

Have any other beach or scuba detectorists noticed this as well? How long have I got before it'll stop transmitting signals?          

We noticed right away when we tested the D2 that water entered the coil end. I tried to waterproof that wire before I stuck it the water and did not get a good seal.

The inner wire under the top Shielding is very thin. When will it fail?  Since you are a diver you might be the first to let us know. 😊

1 hour ago, HellScript said:

Thanks,

You use 2, 5 or 50 tones? Im trying to get a an average setting to use 😄

Best regards,

I hunt in Beach 2,  horseshoe mode, 1 tone. 

4 hours ago, HellScript said:

Settings:
Beach 1 or 2
recovery 6
Sensitivity 20-22
FE F2: 0

Not doing anything wrong, but I would make some adjustments. 
> If you are in the regular Disc mode gold will NOT come in with negative numbers.
>If you're in solid wet sand contact, I would run beach 2 and your Iron Bias to the regular F-6 or 5. This will allow you to run a higher sensitivity setting. 
> Try to always work your low tides. 

If you want to try something, use your horseshoe mode to listen to everything. It will go deeper than disc mode. If your target single rings solid 360, the target is nonferrous 95%, if the target double rings or breaks down on a 360 look is is ferrous.  GL, HH  

Nice looking finds!!! Congrats! 

2 hours ago, relicmeister said:

So it’s the remote that’s bad and needs replacement? 

Well the remote, is going back.

I am still traveling and have not reached home where I have the required receipt copy needed.  I see another person on TreasureNet had this same issue and they did a replacement. I will let everyone know how it goes. 

6 hours ago, mn90403 said:

In previous years and hunts I recognized the near 0 and below readings would sometimes be a good target including gold.  Simon and I have mentioned it in threads before.  I normally take the iron volume from 5 (default) up to 10 or maybe 12 so that I don't miss that type of iffy.

This is where horseshoe mode comes in. Listen to everything.

At depth, if the target double rings or breaks down on a 360 look, it is ferrous. If the target single rings steady at a 360 look it is nonferrous. I don't care if the Equinox is posting a -5 number....it is nonferrous!
95 out of 100 targets. 

Really surprised you did not bag other gold in that spot. Great work! 

Nice day! Good Job! 

As I ALWAYS try to say......better to be pissed off than PISSED ON. 👍

I am using beach pitch here with moving water/black sand and liking it. Still not sure on the depth I am getting! 

23 hours ago, strick said:

Ground tracking works great...I use it all the time on delta beaches where black sand is concentrated in some areas not so much in others. Use it often in both the Nox and Deus 2...nothing to be afraid of there...

strick

I have also used it on black sand here with the Deus2 and always with the Equinox.

Whenever I have done a separate ground grab it is always a point or two away from where the tracking GB was. 
I plan on using it all the time with water contact. 

While the Deus instructions are vague on tracking, Minelab is clear, and that it should be used at the beach. [good enough for me] 

On 7/31/2022 at 7:41 PM, strick said:

You can always try to up date the machine again if you have not tried that already?

strick

Yes, I am a big proponent of reinstalling software if there are operating issues within the programs.

However in this case, with battery drain, this is a hardware issue.  

The unit came to me with 0.71 installed and worked great through testing for a month. The battery drain has happened in the last two weeks. 

It will be going back. 

Yup, confirmed today again. 1/2 battery left yesterday and this morning not enough battery to even power the machine on. Will let everyone know how the replacement goes! 🙄