longbow62

Are you the person a few weeks back that made the comment you were selling the D2 after hunting with the Manticore a couple of hours. Your from Belgium so I guess your hunting relics with iron around? What are your experience's with falsing? Isn't there coke that falses like nails over there too besides the extremely old iron?

I know I sound like a broken record here, but with the Equinox I hardly dig any iron. That's with a F2-0 Iron bias. I always hunt with the horseshoe on. On the Equinox in my dirt easy iron targets usually just one way high tone. You turn and the high tone is replaced with iron grunt. Even the good direction is usually jumpy though. It seldom stays within +/- 3 numbers. If I get one ways that have a solid I.D. I'm prone to dig those. Tough deep iron targets usually have large I.D. swings as you circle. I.D. jumps from a number you expect for silver 28-34 to 35+. If I see 38-39 I call that iron especially if it goes from ultra high I.D. to the teens and below as I completely circle the target hovering/wiggling. I like to stick the shovel blade in the ground a time or two and swing again to see what changed. Many times it will start grunting in at least one direction after you do that. If the detector is giving me every shovel blacked out and I can lift the coil and I don't lose the target real quick I'm prone to say that's a piece of iron bigger than a coin. Now if the Manticore is somehow locking on falsing iron with a steady I.D. on the non-ferrous line and you circle without seeing or hearing the telltale iron giveaways that's going to be a big issue. I just can't believe that would be the case.

It was 0 here last night. Right now 12 degrees wind chill -12 and I live in the south. Or mid-south. This time next week in the low 60's again. I hope to dig some next week Manticore or not.

Almost all the silver I find deep. Extremely rare it's not at least 6". Most of my park silver is border line detectable. So like you I'm mainly looking for the deep high tone whispers. I can't wait to get my Manticore and test it for myself. I do appreciate you guys who have them already posting your experiences.

So I'm assuming you circled the targets you dug that turned out to be iron? Did they sound good tone wise all the way around? Did the I.D. jump around as you circled them? Did you raise the coil to gauge target size? Were you hunting with the horseshoe button on? Were you just basing the decision to dig on the tone you were getting? I'm beginning to get the impression Manticore users maybe chasing iron unless they see two separate targets on the screen. I guess that's going to depend on just how close they are. Sorry to get into the weeds here.

Yes I'm aware of the added or updated features of the 900. Some of those seem like fluff, both on the 900 and Manticore. To you they may be very useful. Someone needs to do a video maybe on EMI improvements of the two detectors to see just how much better it actually is. Test a 800, 900, and the Manticore. I agree my buddy with a D2 has been able to hunt in places the EMI was killing my 800. So much so I wanted to throw my 800 into the traffic. I'm sure you have vastly more experience relic hunting than I do. I just don't have the sites. How does enhanced I.D. segments help on the 900 in iron? In places where there is a decently high probability for iron skewing the normal I.D. of a target? I dig any two way down to single digits if the tone is right. One ways if the I.D. is really solid when I hover. I bet I don't have 50 hours relic hunting in 5.5 years detecting so again I'm a total amateur on relic sites. It's hard to define gain exactly because I'm sure you've probably seen the classic "This is Spinal Tap". The scene about "Our's go to 11". I saw a video where the person said 18 on the Manticore was equivalent to 20 on the 800? It could get rather confusing figuring out just how much more gain these detectors actually have based on just the number scheme.

Just playing the devils advocate here, but I really wish instead of a D2 the other detector would have an Equinox 800. The guy swinging the Manticore mentions the Etrac and CTX having supposedly pounded this park. I can only assume other detectors too. I can understand the Etrac and CTX missing coins in high trash areas. I witnessed it myself with both detectors swinging over a find in thick modern trash. We all know the D2 has proved itself. I just personally find it hard to believe the Equinox had missed those coins. I'm 100% all in on the Manticore, but had the other detector been an Equinox I think it would have been more telling of the Manticore's enhanced abilities. Did he ever mention the Equinox and I missed it?

I used to have 2 800's. I sold one recently and the 6" coil with it. I still have my original 800. It has never been in the water, and won't be going in the water. I have the 11", and the Coiltek 10"x5" for it. I have a Legend with the stock and the 6" coil. The only reason I would get a 900 is if the 800 died. It's amazed me the battery on my 4 year old 800 is still kicking, but it seems okay even after 4 years of hard use. I just don't see the point of me buying a 900 when the Manticore is almost here. The point of the Manticore is more features. New audio, and visual/2d screen features, plus enhanced EMI rejection which is super important to me because I'm around houses and power lines more than I'm in the woods or fields. The oldest parts of where I live currently have the worst EMI. So much so I literally can't hunt some of them. Unless your a water hunter I just don't see the allure of the 900. Enhanced number of target segments I don't quite get. I'm really good at calling coins with my 800, even silver vs. clad calls. I've compared targets with Etrac's and D2's and the 800's 50 segments never held me back. Plus if your using the 900 mainly for relics do 50 more segments really help you? I'm not saying 100 is a bad thing with the 900. I'm saying I don't see it as major selling point with that detector if you already have a 800. Not with me anyway.

Great video. That's what I like to see. That's exactly how me and a buddy hunt together. Always swinging over and comparing each other's targets. I will say this though when I'm using the 800 and my buddy using the D2 I am the one calling iron for him. He's probably not as good as the guy swinging the D2 in this video, but my buddy's got 80+ silvers for the year. Most of it with the D2.

A lot of people I bet never touch the settings. On the Equinox the stock programs are really good. On these YouTube test many times a detector that doesn't hit something people (Including me) say you need to adjust this or that. While adjusting something might help in a particular situation will that adjustment be great everywhere? The point I'm getting at is I really think if your going to compare and contrast detectors you should first do it in the untouched stock programs. That's what you need to show people. Actually after that I'm not so sure you should even do this detector against that detector. Maybe you should just concentrate on the ways to get the most out of each individual detector alone.

The yoke hole is threaded on one side I believe. Drilling another hole higher up would require some kind of nut for the fastening bolt.

I've used F2-0 ever since that update came out. It was 0 in the original I.B. settings to. I have hunted some 160 year old iron infested sites. I don't live in them though. I don't dig much iron at all, and when I do hunt them I didn't get fooled much. Yeah you got to check more targets, but it does not take long before you get a good grip on what the detector is telling you. As long as I have some clues I'm fine with it. Park2 is my go to in iron.

PSPR I'm talking professional videos with one guy going over features and functions that knows the detector inside and out.. Not Detectival crap with an audience crowded around asking questions. Phrunt agreed. They are going backwards.

One question that always eats at me is why Minelab does not just put out their own videos about their detectors? Why don't they have a slew of videos and tutorials on YouTube showing every feature and function. Why depend on others to promote your product? I guess it's cheaper that way maybe, but it sure leads to a lot of confusion about the product. I know it's not in Minelab's best interest to show any weakness in their products, and they probably wouldn't show them. They could still show features and explain features in a professional manner that would beat seeing this non-professional stuff we as customers are stuck with watching to get a overview of the detector. I know a detector is not going to behave the same everywhere, but you got start somewhere. I don't own an XP detector, but think Mr. Blackwell's videos are pretty good. I'd sure like to see something like that vs. what we are stuck with.

I get that's it just another metal detector, but did you or do you consider the Equinox just another metal detector? It may be just another metal detector now. Four years ago it was a leap forward. I think a lot of people myself included were hoping the Manticore will be at least be a step forward. I get the location thing too, but the Equinox legitimately opened up a few hunted out sites for me. Not just a few silvers but a lot out of places I had given up on.

I have not run that many different detectors in heavy iron. I thought falsing was a given. Any time you run with the horseshoe on with the Equinox it's pretty easy to tell when you turn on a suspect target. negative numbers, iron grunts, real jumpy I.D.. It's only an issue if there are no clues. If there are no clues it's an issue. I just kinds doubt that though.

It could be an issue, but he was running all terrain general. To me the Nox 800 had a falsing problem in Park1. Maybe not a problem but was way more prone to false than Park2. Heavy iron you run Park2 which my guess and only a guess is kinda like all terrain low conductors. I suggested he try it.

I'm a little peeved at the dealer I pre-ordered from. I sent a private message asking nicely I'd like to know where I was on the list numerically. I mean surely he has one figured out at this point. I got a message back well you ordered on the first day and I'm not where I look right now. I emailed a couple of days ago and so far got no response back. Is that not a simple question? Is that to much to ask?

I've yet to see the D2 hit anything the 800 couldn't in the wild. This is on land in my dirt. No water or beach hunting. That's not a few either, but hundreds of compared targets over about the last 10 months. A couple of places with very mild ground the 800 from what I can tell was deeper. That's 11" vs. 9" so the 800 should be deeper. From what I've noticed at least with the guy I hunt with the most is he definitely digs more falsing iron than I do, and when compared the 800 seems to be better at telling me what is iron. It could be I just know the 800 better than he knows the D2. I have 4 years on the the 800 to his 10 months on the D2. The D2 is definitely better in EMI situations though. I've seen the EMI so bad it shuts me down, but it didn't seem to bother the D2 as bad. At least he could still hunt. I put the Legend up for sale, but the price on them has dropped since I posted it so I've had no interested buyers. I'm sure I'll end up keeping and eventually using it more as time goes on. It has the newest firmware version on it. I put the 6" coil on it and hunted some places polluted with 100 year old iron and modern trash. It did okay. I don't dislike it in any way, and I go as far to say it has to be the most bang for the buck out there right now. I just have not been very enthused with learning the Legend for some reason. I guess having a Manticore on pre-order has not helped in that regard.

Another Manticore on auction site with no bids. The starting bid $2,800.00! The first one still sits at $2,616.00 presently.

Someone in another thread mentioned the Manticore and 900 being used to slow down the amount of XP Deus IIs flying off the shelves. I'm not a dealer and maybe I'm bias, and don't keep up with all detectors, but has the D2 or Legend been flying off the shelves? I know a guy that bought both the Legend and the D2. A couple of more friends have the D2. I traded a detector for a Legend, but it has seen very little use. The guys I mention are really hard core and tend to have many detectors to begin with. I see more talk about the D2 than the Legend, but overall at least in my view neither of those detectors have had a major impact on the detecting scene. From what I have seen it's not like everyone and their brother felt they had to run out and buy one. The Legend is affordable. The D2 has a better reputation as state of the art, and is possibly the best over all detector out there at the moment. So am I wrong? Have either of these flown off the shelves? Have either made the impact they were supposed to make? I'm sure Minelab has had both the updated 700-900 and Manticore in the works for quite awhile. I guess they could have pushed them out to regain market share, but it would seem to me they are both normal roll outs that have been in the works for some time now.

It's up to $2,616 now with 3 days 5 hours left.

I would be totally flabbergasted if that ever came to be. I can see some folks loving the CTX platform staying the same except for being more waterproof and in a light weight package. I really think the people hoping for, and or holding out for that are pretty near delusional though.

I'm not poo pooing the Manticore at all. I'm saying the differences in it being better than a 800 or 900 may boil down to the slight differences in the performance of say an Etrac vs. a CTX. I'm just going by my use of the Etrac and a buddy who had both machines at the same time and used his Etrac mostly as his #1. I've heard a lot of guys say the difference between FBS-I and FBS II was minimal. TT has some advantages and I expect the same will be true on the Manticore. I'm fired up about the Manticore, but trying to be realistic about improvements. Like I said if Minelab has made the Manticore much more EMI tolerant I'm going to be extremely happy just with that one fix.

I'm all in on the Manticore and excited about it. There is near zero probability of me canceling my pre-order. I am a slightly less excited now that the 900 has been announced. Only because it also presents the potential improvement over the 800 I was initially looking for. That being said the Manticore is supposed to represent the absolute best Minelab has to offer when it comes to latest and greatest. That's what I want right now. I am hoping not to buy another new detector for quite some time. At least not until there is some kind of new breakthrough technology, and realistically I bet that's going to be awhile.