longbow62

I don't expect the Manticore to leaps and bounds better than the 800, and even less improvement over the supposedly improved 900. I do think the 2D screen of the Manticore in certain situations will provide more info than a 900 without it can. I guess we won't know how much better the Manticore/MultiIQ+ is until we get good comparisons with it versus the 900. I always thought the CTX was more fluff than real performance gains when compared to the Etrac, but never used a CTX. I actually didn't even really like the Etrac for most of the places I hunted. I really think of the 900 and Manticore the same way. One of the things I'm wondering is how much the noise cancel on the 900 has been improved. It lacks the the long extended noise cancel press incorporated on the Manticore. If the 900 is not significantly more EMI friendly than the 800 then there is no way I would consider it. EMI is the Equinox's greatest weakness in my opinion.

I noticed that also, but I saw a fishing sinker in another video that was on the line. So I don't know what was up with that.

I'm trying to remain calm and not get to impatient. I ordered the first day you could pre-order from the dealer I used which was Aug. 27th. So I have to be very near the top of his list. I'm guessing top five at least. I was hoping to have it by the first of the year. My desire to detect with the Nox 800 has even kind of waned since I ordered it. It's like I'm saving all my hunts for the Manticore.

Not that it matters that much, but I must not have perfect pitch because I am struggling to hear the difference between clad and silver in the video. I've always wanted to test the people who claim to be able to hear the difference on buried clad and silver with the screen taped off. Maybe ten of each. Even with their chosen detector be it Explorer, Etrac, CTX. I don't think they could tell. Then you throw in worn silver in the mix. Personally I don't think it's possible. Again not that it really matters because your going to be digging any tone like that anyway. Nice little video though.

I don't know 700 pre-orders sounds like a lot to me. If you haven't pre-ordered by now then it's probably going to take months and months to get one. I kinda doubt when the first big container shipment arrives it will even have all 700 pre-ordered Manticores on it. I have no idea how that stuff works, but with them having to get worldwide pre-orders filled it seems like a stretch to think Minelab can fulfill the 700 U.S. pre-orders in one shipment. With the 700 and 900 roll out happening at the same time that could even slow things up even further.

I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I've seen some items being swung over that did not seem to be a very wide span of I.D. numbers show up as a stretched out item, or oblong when in fact that was their shape. Take a ring pull for instance those don't have a wide I.D. range yet they don't show up completely round. The cartridge case has a tight I.D., but you swing horizontal and it shows it be a longer item. You swing over it vertical it shows narrow and would I.D. the same so I don't see how the shape is controlled exactly by a wide or narrow I.D. spread.

I ordered on August 27th. The day the place I ordered from started taking orders. I don't know if I was first, but almost have to to be in top 5. I think he is only getting one out of the first batch.

You keep saying the same thing over and over on 2 different forums. We get it. You don't think the 2D screen is really that useful. You think audio and numerical I.D. tells you all you need to know. That's fine don't buy a Manticore. Those of us who think the 2D adds value and have posted as such to why we think that will find out for ourselves it's utility.

You can't audibly always tell you have two targets no matter how the detector is configured. I.D. and tone will normally jump around a lot. Iron alone can do that. If I.B. is set low you can make a lot of iron targets sound good from certain directions. Still I.D. tends to jump around and is better one way than the other. Set I.B. to high and you could get potentially good targets iron grunting. I still don't get why your saying a visual aid is not a good thing, and that a certain configuration will allow you to know all you need to know just by numerical and audio alone. If you can see you have two targets close and interfering with the numerical I.D. and audible I.D. of each other I think that's a useful feature. I don't think I.B. is going to help you much on multiple targets as much as single targets. I have always ran I.B. on the 800 at F2-0. That's pretty low. I don't dig a lot of iron even with an I.B. setting that would be considered low enough to make you check a lot of falsing iron. The thing is I'm not 100% sure it's not two items close together regardless of the tone and numerical I.D.. In some situations the screen would tell me there is two targets not just one falsing iron target. In the case of the 2D screen showing two targets I can make my decision to dig or not based on additional information.

I think it was smart to fix the problems associated with the 600&800, but in my view they should drop those two detectors from the line up all together. Will they? Minelab should call the new ones Equinox II 700&900, and those should just replace the 600 and 800 at very close to the same price.

Great news, and I should be near or at the front of the line. I pre-ordered August 27th.

There was a comment early right at 3 minute 45 seconds that kind of baffled me. Mr. Lawrey said something to the effect that the coil was strengthened because the Manticore puts more power in the ground. Does this mean it has a different type of winding or heavier/more windings than the Equinox coil?.

I actually would like a new waterproof discriminating pinpointer that mated to the Manticore then head phones. One that actually worked well. In a perfect world maybe a wireless Sunray type probe.

If you remember from the 2022 year end report they said this. "Development of several new metal detector products has progressed well and we are on track for late first half FY23 product releases."

I pre-ordered Aug, 27th. so I should be at the very top of the list. Unless we have a harsher than normal winter weather I detect quite a bit in December, January, and February.

I have no idea how international shipping and time frames work. Do they fly them over or do they come in on a container ship? If it's a container ship I can see them taking a long time to get here. I wonder how many have actually been pre-ordered in the U.S. thus far?

Wow I never had a problem with ML80's! They've always worked and sounded fine to me. Maybe my hearing is better than a lot of folks hearing. I have heard some very deep and faint signals with the stock headphones. I hate to sound like a Minelab fan boy, but if headphones choices are keeping you from buying the Manticore or any other machine I think that's a little silly myself. The audio from a detector is not an orchestra, and I call B.S. if anyone tells me they can tell a vast difference between the quality of a beep between the stock phones and other choices. I'm not saying there is none, I'm saying it won't be much and how much does it matter? I have some Aiwa headphones I used with the Nox from time to time. Yes they sound different and somewhat better, but I don't think they ever improved my finds. I use the stock headphones way more than I do the Aiwa's.

I might have missed it skimming through this topic, but NASA Tom had said they were working on a couple of things to get lined out before release. He says those two things are done now.

Silver where I live is usually decently deep. That goes for nickels too. Depth is the best discriminator where I hunt. I pass all shallow/surface targets listening for the deeper targets. I have a Manticore on pre-order and doubt I will use a discrimination pattern. At least not for awhile. I will hunt with the horseshoe button engaged just like I do with the Equinox. I will probably use 5 tones like I do with the Equinox too. I have never jelled with more than five tones.

Nice. Maybe someone will start making them to sell. I'd like to try one.

I don't know this for a fact so don't take it as gospel, but I though in one video it showed them swing over a nail alone and it was a smear on the ferrous line. Then they swung over a coin and it was a round circle on the non-ferrous line. Then both and it showed both items still on there perspective lines. Center line round coin, and above it smeared iron. Maybe I'm dreaming but that's what I think I remember seeing. Falsing iron I thought they also covered in a piece of iron high toning, but it was still on the ferrous range/line. Again as I've suggested a nice professionally done Minelab produced video explaining things would help immensely.

I guess I'm a contrarian. I'm not one to take the popular position without some thinking about it first. On the leaking issue. What's Minelab to do? As long as the Equinox is sold in it's present form and branding it's a potential warranty claim. I mean Minelab still claims a 10ft. depth rating. I have heard the most common detector on the beach is the Equinox. Minelab must still have confidence in it's waterproofing or they would change a few things and just rebrand it as a land only detector. Then they would only have to worry about units with serial numbers before the change. I don't deny units leaked. I have know idea the percentage. I do know the internet can greatly blow things far out of proportion to what the reality actually is. Again they are still selling them as waterproof to 10ft. despite all you hear about leaking. It kinda makes no sense for them to that if in fact that many are actually leaking.

The ML100 looks like a better made and more expensive pair of headphones. My ML80's have been thru it and look it. Never had any issues with them though.

How much faster is the D2 than the Equinox. My buddy swings one, and we've compared hundreds of targets. I don't know if he is using D2 to it's full potential, but I normally don't crank the Equinox recovery above 6. Most of the time it's on 4. We have yet to see a target both machines won't hit regarding separation. Separation can be achieved with different coil sizes so just how fast does a detector have or need to be. How much faster is the Manticore than the Equinox. Did I hear from an engineer it's faster? Again I have a buddy that swings the D2. He has done extremely well with it. I know 40+ silvers so far. One thing I noticed he has the 9" coil and I waxed him pretty good on a site using the Nox with 11" where the coins are really deep. He also has trouble getting fooled by falsing iron. I don't have that problem at all with the Equinox, but it does require a time investment (prolonged investigation/circling) to weed out falsing iron which is a little time consuming sometimes. If the Manticore 2-D screen works as advertised weeding out iron combined with it's supposed depth improvement I think that is a big plus over the D2.

By videos I meant strictly Minelab produced videos showing build improvements and features. Basic menu run thru and navigation. A good view of the 2-d screen and it's function. I don't care to see any tester videos. I"ll test it myself. I pre-ordered like a day or two after it was announced so hopefully I'm close to the front of the line from the place I ordered from.