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  1. A properly balanced detector hangs at a 45 degree if a rod is placed under the hand grip. In other words, exactly as it would hang when in use - anything else takes muscle power to compensate for. The Deus as a nose-heavy detector will roll forward and fall off unless pressure is applied to keep the nose up. It's only the weight being kept low overall that saves the day., but it will show up if you put the 13" coil on the machine.

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  2. On 11/17/2021 at 2:23 AM, mcjtom said:

    Also a somewhat related question: am I right to assume that pressing All Metal button opens up all the discrimination notches but doesn’t change the current recovery speed (it inherits the recovery speed from the mode the detector was on before engaging the All Metal button)?

    The "all metal" button is a disc adjustment only - it is not changing modes, just opening all disc segments to accept. Recovery speed is a separate thing. Yes, there is a huge library of stuff you can read to answer all these questions, including owners manuals. This site has it all, you just need to dive in and study. Like the file you referenced and more. People will tend to run out of steam answering you if you just ask a lot of basic questions without taking the time to find the info that's already there that answers those questions.

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  3. Yes, though T2 still takes the prize. Basically any detector without a battery box under the elbow is going to be nose heavy. A properly balanced detector should ride on a single outstretched finger under the grip, hanging at a roughly 45 degree angle. Most detectors will roll forward and fall off, and the degree to which they want to do this is a measure of the arm leverage it takes to merely hold the coil in the proper position. That comes mainly from the forearm and wrist, and even though a better balance usually means more weight, it actually means less arm strain, as the muscles used to support sheer weight are in better shape for the job over a long day.

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  4. On 11/20/2021 at 8:31 AM, Dutchman4 said:

    I am in the market for a used SDC 2300 and wanted to know if there have been any software/firmware or hardware updates since the first introduction in 2014?

    Are there any pros/cons of buying an older machine lets say 5 years old vs a 1 year old machine?

    Are the supplied oem headphones satisfactory or is it better to invest in better headphones?

    Is the Lithium Battery upgrade a good investment and does it come with a charger?

    Thanks in advance

    Just a personal opinion from what I have seen in this industry over the decades. Almost no detector stays the way it was at introduction. These days we have detectors that can be updated over the internet, and not a one ever goes without at least one such update.

    In the old days a major screwup might result in a factory recall. Anything less was quietly fixed in newer machines. Outfits like First Texas in particular seem to constantly be slipping in updates to firmware and even hardware.

    I do not want to make this out to be a bad thing. I simply think companies reserve the right to make small product improvements along the way as they see fit. Unannounced firmware tweaks have been very common. Also, due to the nature of electronics, small hardware changes are made as old components become obsolete, or new better components arrive that are much cheaper. Almost any detector on the market for more than a few years likely has seen some sort of changes, though usually minor.

    Long story short, I do think that the odds favor newer over machine five years or more older, as the newer detectors having had some sort of internal tweaks/improvements made. I'm not saying this is true of the SDC, but I'd sure not bet money against it. The only official update was the one already mentioned last year, with the new battery, etc.

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  5. 2 hours ago, ☠ Cipher said:

    The price of the Legend is kind of shocking. I expected it to be maybe $100 cheaper than an Equinox 800, but over $300?! I’m a bit more suspicious than others about what NM is up to with moves like this.

    It’s not a particularly wise move from a business perspective. I’m not sure they would have sold any less for a couple hundred bucks more, and that’s just leaving money on the table. The only reason there would be is an attempt to disrupt the market/buy market share. Some would also call Minelab doing what they did with Equinox to be the same thing, but as the dominant player it gets cast more as predatory pricing, intent on killing competitors. It may have helped push White’s into the grave. So in that respect as the scrappy newcomer NM is kind of throwing Minelab’s game back in their face. Ultimately NM still have no real market mind share though, and so to me this does look like an outright bid to get some recognition and market share. It hurts Minelab far less than it does First Texas in particular, and Garrett, and leapfrogs both those old line companies purely from a technical standpoint, even if you ignore the price. People are still going to buy Minelabs, but with machines like this, why buy a Fisher?

    Repackaging Minelab? All detector companies have been borrowing and reusing concepts from each other for as long as detecting exists. Just like any other industry, whether it’s bicycles, PCs, shoes, or golf clubs.

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  6. 2 hours ago, abenson said:

    I think any testers that release any head to head comparisons better have at least 50 plus hours on either the Legend or Deus 2 before any conclusions are drawn.

    I totally agree. The first YouTube “testers” are just trying to be first, to get the views. It takes a lot of time to sort this stuff out. I know, been there, done that, and not taking the time to really use the machines in favor of snap decisions on planted test beds, well, yeah, whatever. I’ll wait for a consensus to develop in maybe 6 months minimum after the machines hit users, and rely on multiple trusted sources. It’s not like Equinox got instant acceptance either - just the opposite as the skeptics piled on. I expect more of the same here.

    Gotta admit it would be fun to be part of the game, but I simply do not have the time. I’m hot on the gold trail, and every hour I spend this year has to be on the hunt for gold, not testing this versus that. I suspect it will be largely splitting hairs anyway, not like some huge advance in capability I don’t already have. For a PI guy, any VLF is a big step down. Tarsacci really disappointed me in that regard after all the hype about it discriminating to PI depth. Sorry, no, not even close in my ground. So for me it’s all a battle over which machine of all these less powerful detectors is the best, not what I actually intend on using. :smile:

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  7. On 11/19/2021 at 1:00 AM, Veisal said:

    My question is how important is the threshold for you?

    My answer from the original post in this thread. The setting depends on your hearing, and if you are using headphones, or the external speaker, plus personal preference, which is why I give no number other than the default.

    On 9/6/2018 at 6:31 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

    Threshold. The range is 1 – 25 with a default of 12. This is normally set to be just loud enough to hear, but no more. Just a barely discernible tone. However, the threshold can also act as a backend filter. Once all other tuning has been completed, the threshold can be set lower until it is silent, or set higher than normal. Running silent can suppress small variations in the ground signal but also the weakest gold signals. Running the threshold higher than normal can smooth out weak variations, again with a subsequent loss on the faintest gold signals.

    I will add this however. I do not consider the Equinox to have a true threshold based mode. The Gold Modes are modified discrimination modes. The threshold, to my ear, is what is called a “reference threshold” that only seems to null when rejected targets are detected. It does not however seem intimately connected to the ground signal. A true all metal threshold rises and lowers in direct response to the ground, whereas the Equinox Gold Mode threshold stays rock steady, unless going over a rejected target, in which case it nulls.

    In this one regard the Equinox is weak compared to a detector with a true all metal threshold based mode, and where I can eke out a tiny edge with something like the Gold Bug 2, which does have a true all metal mode. It’s a fine difference only discernible to a few, but real to me. With the Gold Bug 2, having a fine threshold let’s you hear every ground variation, and delivers the ability to find the weakest signals that stand out from the ground signal.

    That long answer explains to you why having the threshold at any particular level is less important to me on an Equinox than it would be with a Gold Bug 2. I still run with a faint threshold out of habit, as it does offer one tidbit in the form of rejected signals, but other than that, it’s not giving me that direct connection to the ground that a true all metal mode offers. However, it more than makes up for this, in my opinion, by offering trash and hot rock handling one does not have in a true all metal mode. The gold missed, if any, is typically the smallest gold that can be found with a metal detector, and at some point I question time spent focusing too much on targets like that, when it’s gram type nuggets that are the real bread and butter.

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  8. These are both brand new models, not three year olds. But of course people are going to compare everything to Multi-IQ as the existing standard. And that’s the real question really, given Minelab expertise and 20 year lead in multifrequency. Can these newcomers match or exceed Multi-IQ on the first go? Not a bet I’d take myself, but we can always hope.

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  9. 13 minutes ago, TallTom said:

    I emailed Dilek a couple of weeks ago, offering to help edit (gratis) the English language version of the User Manual,

    which I've done for several of their other detectors (Impact, Kruzer, Racer 2).  She hasn't replied, so they apparently have all the English language editing they want already.  (Or else she's so busy she can't get to all her email.)

    I'm still hoping I'll get to see a draft of the manual soon, but if so, I'll likely be under nondisclosure limitations.

    However, if I'm able and allowed to disclose, I will.

    I’d expect a manual to be posted within days, but thanks.

  10. 5 hours ago, CPT_GhostLight said:

    Why not make something unique to your brand?

    Nothing wrong with that. But form does tend to follow function, and designs tend to converge as they optimize. Cell phones all are kind of the same for this reason. Plus, some standardization of control symbols helps everyone. There is no glory in making things harder for new users just to be different.

    I’m not trying to argue by the way, just offering some different perspective. :smile:

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  11. 28 minutes ago, kac said:

    I'd like to hear the audio on it, sounds like it has some really nice flexibility in that area. I would pass on a clock and have an old fashioned odometer 🙂

    It’s does have a time accumulated function, a first in a detector.

    Frankly, for me it’s going to be all about the audio. I hunt by ear, I like full tones, and it’s the one area I’ve always thought NM could improve on. I’m sure it finds stuff, so I want to see the audio options in the manual, and hear the sound on a video more than anything else.

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  12. G2 and F19 are same 19 kHz base circuit, coil compatible with each other. This coil will work great in the FT 19kHz series, but frankly I’d wish it was not epoxy filled for them, as it will be nose heavy. No problem in grassy areas where coil can ride on ground, but if you are holding coil off ground, I’d expect some arm strain. In water though, like fresh water jewelry, killer combo.

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  13. I knew the guy that found the nugget, Barry Clay. He was bulldozing one day, saw the nugget roll out of the material ahead of the blade. Got out, grabbed the gold, put it in the bulldozer toolbox, finished out the days work. :smile:

    Barry ran a metal detector pay to mine operation on his ground not long after the nugget was found, but nothing remotely close to that was ever found by the detector guys, and he shut it down pretty quick.

    Personally I’d call it a nugget, not a specimen, but there is no definition on that, just a matter of opinion. If it’s over 90% gold as quoted, there is not 5 lbs of quartz in it. Still, seems overpriced to me.

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