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  1. You are singing to the choir there - Equinox all the way for this kid! :smile:

    People scoffed when Minelab said Multi-IQ obsoletes single frequency. Truth is it actually does for almost all uses. It just works better, and everyone else has been in catch up mode ever since. Equinox is not perfect, but I’ll not put mine aside as my main machine in favor of any single frequency detector. There are some specific niches where a top notch single frequency can still hold its own against an Equinox, but for all uses, across the board versatility, it simply outperforms.

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  2. I only test to satisfy myself, and applaud you not only doing that, but compiling and sharing your results with us. Monte offered to send me a genuine 100% for sure calibrated test board recently, but I declined, as I have my own rigged up with square nails. It’s not standard, but tells me what I want to know. I don’t hunt often where there are clean store bought round nails in the ground, so I prefer my version.

    I guess the idea is we are all supposed to use the perfect Monte board, do tests, publish results. Then some master wizard will be collecting and compiling all these results to create a master list of detector comparisons. Nice idea, except that I don’t accept the main premise, which is that the Monte test board represents anything more than a sliver of reality. Passing or failing the test really should not condemn any detector per se. Something to take in to account, sure, but it’s not the final arbiter of what makes a detector good or bad. Detectors can fail this test, yet still perform just fine in your typical park setting, or especially beach scenarios. Slow recovery often can equate to max depth, so some deep seekers will fail this test out of hand. Does that make them no good? If all you do is relic hunt dense ferrous the test has applicability, but the test really has no applicability as far as max depth in cleaner ground.


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  3. 3 hours ago, lemarquez said:

    I think this deus 2 is stillborn. Too expensive, no big innovations. I think that XP is completely wrong. Where brands like Minelab give access to simultaneous multi frequencies or Garrett with its Apex, XP still makes you pay full price. I live in France and I found a very interesting article about this machine. Sorry it's in French, but at least this blog is not linked to a store that sells this product and shows all the deceit of this detector. https://www.savoir-tout-sur-tout.fr/xp-deus-2-fmf-detecteur/

    I’d say you have almost no real feeling for what will sell or not on the open marketplace. Too expensive for you perhaps, but not for most of the people who frequent these forums. My GPX 6000 is expensive. The Deus 2? Not so much. As far as deceit, that’s just silly talk. I see nothing in XPs marketing that is pulling the wool over anyone’s eyes. If anyone is being deceived it’s because they do not understand the technologies involved, and how they actually work. 

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  4. On 11/12/2021 at 4:47 AM, mh9162013 said:

    Online sellers are fine to use, but to make sure they're on the up and up, check to see if they're authorized sellers.

    Minelab's website should have a list of its authorized sellers. I think you can search that list by country.

    An excellent detector, the Vanquish, very high bang for the buck. It is safe to buy from any dealer listed on the Minelab website, though many may not be able to sell outside their given dealer areas. I’d contact Minelab or the distributor directly for advice. Please do not be tempted by advertisers with prices “too good to be true” that are also not listed on the Minelab website. An abnormally low price from somebody not listed is almost sure to be a scam.


  5. 27 minutes ago, Gerry in Idaho said:

    I know one day for certain I was at least 7 1/2 hrs so those saying 8 hr days is probably fair.

    I’ve literally clocked it at 8 hours plus using the included wireless headphones. I’m not guessing at that, only the amount lost using external speaker. I need to do a timed run using it exclusively, as it does make a substantial difference, enough that for some people it may be a prime reason to use the wireless headphones over external speaker. I assume using wired headphones and turning Bluetooth off will give the longest runtime, but I could be wrong. The Bluetooth draws power, yes, but when you go wired headphone, now the headphone itself is drawing power. Wireless headphones have their own battery. So what draws more, the Bluetooth transmitter, or the direct wired headphone?

    Like Gold Catcher notes, batteries may need a few cycles to reach peak performance. Any use of the external speaker will noticeably shorten the run time. Main surprise for me was getting a solid half hour warning that battery was low. You get that warning, and it just seems to keep going, whereas past systems the warning was almost moot. Like low battery warning, dead minutes later. Not so with the 6000, at least not in my experience.

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    Are these in stock available for purchase in the US?  I don’t know why I’m even asking that as I don’t have a detector that’s compatible with it. Lol. Too bad they aren’t making one for tesoros.  Even though tesoro is out of business, there’s a ton of them out there.  

    All you can do is check with your dealer. If you have a Tesoro, track down a used Cleansweep coil.

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  7. Well, first off, you look suspiciously like a spammer trying to sell us on some product. Your response to Chuck scored you no extra points, that’s for sure. I almost hit the spammer ban button. But let’s try this instead.

    Your Equinox comes with washers that work fine, need no replacing with anything else. At least, my three oldest Equinox in the country, with multiple coils, are all still running just fine with stock washers. Just do not overtighten the coil bolts, an extremely common thing, leading to coil ear breakage.

    In other words, you can toss your "Green Aftermarket Coil Tab Protector" as a waste of time and money, at least in my personal experience. I certainly won’t waste mine Googling it, which appears to be the goal in this exercise.

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    I’ll probably wait and see on this but it is something that actually has me interested and I may actually purchase. I have some areas and situations in mind for this. Recent or fairly recent drops in areas where events are held or overflow parking. So I actually want it to not be too deep and get sidetracked on deeper signals. I’ve been trying this with my Vanquish with the sensitivity backed off but the extra coverage would be great. Was just looking to see if others had experience with the predecessors to this and if similar results could be expected out of this coil design. 

    I have posted extensively on the BigFoot coil, but this is not a BigFoot, not even wound the same. You should not be buying it if depth isn’t your main goal, which misses the point of the design. Just get a round coil if you are after depth. When I use my BigFoot, I pass on any item my pinpointer won’t reach from the surface, so I’m only looking for pinpointer type depths. These coils have a specific strategy so read up on them if you want to get the most out of them.

    That said you can buy one for any reason you want, but don’t expect the depth of an 18” or even a 12” round coil.


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    I’m really surprised the Simplex didn’t make the cut as popular and recent a detector that is....

    So with the 4” width, the assumption would be 4ish inches max depth.

    Should one expect depth meters to be at all accurate on coin sized targets?

    Is 4” maxed out on sensitivity? Less if sensitivity dialed down?

    With the depth being relatively shallow, are VDIs relatively close to air test values for a detector?

    Anyone have experience with this on the Bigfoot or Cleansweep?

    I'm an undersell/overdeliver guy, so I'd say expect depth like a 4" stretched. But that is not accurate, it's really more about coil square inches than either length or width. As EL NINO77 has already answered, probably more like a 6" - 8" round depending on the target, with depth like a 6" round being a nice conservative guesstimate. Remember this is a stretch DD, not a concentric, and that complicates things also. This will be one coil where doing good depth comparison tests will be far more informative than is the norm. Fun project for EL I'd think. :smile: Speculating on VDI, depth reading, and such is kind of a waste of time, we will just have to wait and see.

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    It's heavier than I thought it would be.

    Trade off, no epoxy filling would be lighter, but in water not so good. If it is popular, maybe a lighter "dry land only" version someday?

    Coil compatibility is just that. If a coil is compatible with one FT 19 kHz model, it's compatible with all of them. If I was running the show I'd list every single variant, just to make the list look more impressive. :smile:

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  11. The latest update from Detech, I think production units are finally rolling off the production line. Here is an official model listing, and note that missing variants of the models listed will work also.

    "THE ARROW" coil weighs 744 grams (1.64 lbs) with included scuff cover/skid plate. It is very robust, solidly filled with epoxy for ease of use underwater, fully waterproof. Coil 4" at widest, 18" long. Tapers to 3-1/4 inch width at ends of reinforcement "X" structure on top of coil. So more a 3" to 4" tapered width end to end, 4" along center region.

    - 18x4 DD "THE ARROW" Minelab Explorer / Safari

    - 18x4 DD "THE ARROW" Garrett AT Pro / AT Gold

    - 18x4 DD "THE ARROW" Garrett ACE

    - 18x4 DD "THE ARROW" White DFX / MXT / M6

    - 18x4 DD "THE ARROW" Teknetics T2

    - 18x4 DD "THE ARROW" Teknetics G2 / Gamma, Omega

    - 18x4 DD "THE ARROW" Fisher F75

    - 18x4 DD "THE ARROW" Nokta / Makro Simplex


    There is also a new coil for Simplex - 15" Ultimate coil for Nokta / Makro Simplex.



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  12. Not a perfect situation by far. Since the original poster has the detector already, it is easy to think just go ahead and use, and see how it goes. The reality is most people find metal detecting (digging trash for pennies) kind of boring, and many give it up after a try or two. This detector can sort out if the poster has any genuine interest in metal detecting, so there is that.

    After that though, if I wanted to teach somebody to drive a car, I'd want them using a car that I know works for sure. In my opinion these things may as well be one offs, and no way to know what change was made between this one and the last made. Outfits like First Texas make secret inline changes all the time, and never tell anyone. If that's from somebody like them, I'd not bet on these things being consistent unit to unit. They have no real constraints on what they have to provide, and how it has to perform. They switch front company names almost daily it seems, so building brand reputation is not the goal, ditching bad press is. That in itself says something.

    So how do I teach you to detect, if the machine itself is inherently flawed? Do I want the new driver in a car if the brakes don't work?

    So to repeat myself mcjtom, I’m not trying to take any shots at you personally, as I'm sure you did the best you could with the situation at hand. Hopefully you can play with each control enough to figure out what it does and does not do (in reality, which might not match manual), which really is how anyone should learn a detector anyway. Use test targets and run controls end to end, and observe results. Best wishes, and good luck. :smile:


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    Sounds like he lives in Thailand.  (Is this Quick Shooter MD3030 a known scam?)  Eventually the Far Eastern manufacturers (China particularly) are going to make good detectors if their foray into other areas of manufacturing over the past 40 years is any indication.  Quest is already scratching the surface according to several reviewers.  There is a difference between the counterfeiters/pirates who are at the pinnacle of dishonesty and just want to get the consumer's money while delivering a Trojan Horse product compared to more/less legitimate manufacturers.

    But I get your suspicious nature on this subject as we've seen con artists for a few years and the number seems to be growing.  Phrunt(Simon) is regularly posting warnings about what he sees in NZ online markets. 

    I personaly hope mcjtom got a legitimate detector....

    You are implying I’m smearing good actors with a bad brush. I’m not much for giving the benefit of the doubt in this industry for very good reason. Buy from who you want, but I advise anyone to have a “suspicious nature” when dealing with metal detectors, and especially “treasure hunting” devices. Frankly, it’s hard enough to not get sold a bill of goods from the so-called legitimate operators, touting last years tech as new and improved because it has a new decal and a paint job. If you are wise in this industry, you learn very fast that trust is earned, not given. I may be a slow learner, but I’m old enough to have learned a few things anyway about metal detector companies and the industry as a whole. Am I going to build a legal case for you? No. I’ve got better things to do with my time. And as I said also, I hope the poster got an ok detector. How ok just depends how low the bar is, and whether you think it’s ok to use a detector you’d personally toss in the corner after an hour or two.

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  14. “An unexpected (at least to me) finding was that the VDI was correlated with the speed of the sweep - faster sweeps consistently corresponded to higher numbers (the scale is from 0 to 100).  Why would that be, I wonder?

    I imagine that those ranges of VDI for the same and easy targets like coins on the surface are fairly wide by the standards of other detectors.  Is that correct?  Would better single frequency detectors be able to narrow down those ranges?  I also imagine that multi-frequency detectors would be even better at discrimination?”

    Sweep speeds are designed to be medium/slow and regular, so count left 1-2-3 count right 1-2-3 like a metronome. Some machines like a little faster, some a little slower, but all aim for kind of a relaxed pace, not a race. Too fast will cost depth.

    Targets on surface, as long as sweep is steady and is over target, should have steady, repeatable VDI numbers. This accuracy degrades at depth, and degradation is faster with single frequency than multi. A machine that delivers highly variable numbers numbers with surface targets, would be little more than a crapshoot for targets at depth. To be safe you would want to dig all non-ferrous readings, and even then you will miss good targets.

    Even more so than depth, a defining difference between detectors these days is the ability to capture accurate target id information at depth. Anyone can make a metal detector that detects metal with a handful of components worth a few bucks. Designing circuits that deliver both depth and accurate target id, on the other hand, is cutting edge science.

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  15. Given the provenance I’d be thrilled if it simply turned on and detected metal. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but quite serious. The hope is the controls do what they are supposed to, and that it works at all. Many people buying the way you did find they have purchased a funny looking walking stick. I hope that’s not the case with you, and that you get out and have fun, and make some good finds, with your new detector. :smile:

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