DSMITH

I picked up a utility belt off of @Doc that works good although I had to get two of them and clip together to make it long enough to fit around my big BUTT LOL then I put a couple of pouches on plus my hand digger sheath and pin pointer

3 hours ago, flakmagnet said:

This is because the Hipstick's inventor has given the manufacturing rights to Jonathan Porter.

And when you say "the Swingy Thingy is beneficial for lighter detectors, it's not putting it to your hip, more so your shoulders" that is the exact opposite of what the hipstick was invented for; to take the weight off the shoulders when using the heavier detectors. 

I think most of us are in pursuit of something better, it's just that not every new iteration of a product is better.

 

Yep and I was going to order one from JP and when I went to submit the Order a pop up came up that stated they would not ship internationally and the one company that would ship internationally it was like $60 to get one sent to me so I ended up building my own, there are no hip sticks available in the U.S that I could find, although Doc did discover some on one of his shelves, which I had him to send me one

The way the hip stick is designed it works in conjunction with a detecting harness like Docs Ultra Swingy Thingy the same way the ones JP sales and the same way the original inventor intended for them to work.

3 hours ago, flakmagnet said:

Hi again, if you hook any hipstick onto your pants belt, you are opening yourself up to - as you mentioned - saggy pants.
The whole premise of them is to take direct pressure off the shoulder and direct some of it downward toward the hips. That's why they are such a smart concept. But they also presuppose a pack or harness belt to help keep the direct pressure off the hips as well (and your pants up around your waist). All the best...

I have been using Docs Ultra Swingy thingy which came with what Doc calls the Queegle or Quipple (just not sure which)

Doc had a special going when I purchased mine that special included the Ultra Swingy Thingy, Quipple, Bungee system, Saga Swing Arm, and also a utility Belt

I built my own Hip Stick, what I do is once I have the Ultra Swingy thingy on I then put the Utility belt on around my waist and over top of the suspender clamps that attach to your pants, then the Hip Stick I put together attaches onto that utility belt at my waist the top attaches to the rings on the Ultra Swingy Thingy, with the bottom of the hip stick attached to the utility belt it completely takes all the weight off your shoulders and puts the weight down on the utility belt, not pushing down on my pants at all

had it not been for Docs inventions, plus the hip stick I made, and me being determined to not have to give up detecting all together, i would have had to quit detecting, because of injuries I had sustained in my younger days had it not been for me willing to try something new I would have been finished detecting, also with a little instruction from doc to change the way I swing a detector, as it was prior to the harness, Hip Stick, and saga swing arm, I would have been completely finished with my detecting hobby, because of the pain I was experiencing I could only muster about 45 minutes to an hour of detecting, now with everything from Doc and the Hip stick I can at least get out and detect for quite a few hours with out the pain stopping me, those things have made detecting fun again for me

If and when Doc comes up with a newly designed hip stick I will dang sure give it a try, even though I built my own and it is working very well I will still try what ever Doc comes up with as far as a hip stick is concerned.   

@Wiggins Everything phrunt stated is the same as I have stated in PMs, I have also been testing out the Relay also as you know, again I have addressed my concerns with the short cable, which can be used by adapters and longer cables but, the fewer the connection points the less chance of things becoming disconnected, as @phrunt stated the little relay works great with no audio drop outs at all, the volume control on the relay is a big plus and works great, the size of the Relay is perfect because the size makes it easier for placement on a detector, The TC417 would also work but would be just a little harder for placement on some detectors, not all but some.

@Wiggins thank you and Avantree again for continuing to try and produce a great product for us detectorist

photo of relay mounted on the Axiom

I use the Predator tools model 24 Phoenix shovel all the time, I never leave home with out it whether I go out detecting for coins, or nuggets, the best shovel on the market rite now

the only thing I wish the handle was a little bit longer on the Phoenix shovel

you might also look at the Hurricane shovel mad by Predator tools, the Hurricane is the same as the Phoenix shovel but has a T handle instead of the D handle, and is longer than the Phoenix shovel

3 minutes ago, Digalicious said:

I hear ya.

I love this forum due to it focusing on the more technical aspects of metal detecting. I use FMDF for more general discussions about metal detecting. Although there is also Geotech's forum, which is the epitome of "getting technical". 

I hope things work out ok with your situation 🙂

 

 Thanks

44 minutes ago, Digalicious said:

 

Captcha's can be a real PITA. Note that some may be case sensitive. The general rule, is that if the Captcha has lower and uppercase, then use lower and upper case. A good site will allow the user to choose a new Captcha, that hopefully doesn't look like a Rorschach test.

Other things to check if you still can't get the Captcha, is to make sure the caps lock isn't on. If your answer to the Captcha is covered by asterisks, then check that the keys you're typing, are actually what is being registered. For example, try typing the Captcha in another program or browser search bar, etc.

Anway, the first time I tried going to that site a couple of years ago, I saw that the formatting was horrendous, and everything seemed out of wack. It was obvious they were having some temporary problems with the forum...but alas, turns out that's the way it was supposed to be lol. Sheesh, the dial up BBS forums I used back in the 80's, were far better laid out and far more intuitive than that forum 🙂

Yeah it aint worth the headaches to try to join another forum

was just sitting here in the hospital room with my wife, so figured I would try to join Dankowski's forum to give me something else to read

I just tried to Re Register on the New Forum and I cant even get past the stupid thing you have to type in the Letters for, it keeps saying I typed in the wrong code so I have now given up, I understand why that code is there so they know you are not actually a BOT but theirs is ridiculous, not sure what the issue is over on that site, I have tried two different emails and it still keeps saying the same thing that I have entered the wrong code, not worth the headache to me for a forum

46 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Did you receive the activation email?  You can't log on until you activate your account following registration by clicking on the activation link in the email.

You have to first re-register and then after you have completed re-registration and verification you are not a bot, Activate using the activation link in the email sent to the address you used to register.

Worked just fine for me.

I ventured over there for specific topics but the user community issues coupled with the eye watering layout meant that I had to REALLY be motivated to go there because whatever information I was seeking out was unavailable elsewhere (a rare occurrence).  I re-registered to ensure access to the archived information.

Chase I did use the activation email and then when I go to log in is says my user ID and log in info is not correct

49 minutes ago, JCR said:

@RickUK all too true. I have rejoined. I hope you and others will also.

I have tried several times to register on his forum and every time it looks like everything is set up so I can venture into that forum it will not allow me to even log in, I just signed u again recently and it still will not let me log in

On 2/10/2024 at 5:27 PM, jasong said:

Unfortunately Minelab made serious detecting for gold all about money. It was a skeezy move. 

Here is some fact that gets lost too easily among a largely retiree age crowd on this and the older AZ forums: Until my 2nd GPZ, every single detector I bought, I purchased on credit at 18% interest or a commercial line of credit at 8.5%. I had to make it pay or I couldn't do it. I couldn't afford to buy a detector otherwise. It's no mystery why there were and still are so few younger people doing this. When I had a Youtube channel I got 3-6 inquiries a day about what detector I was using and how much they cost - my audience was principally 18-35 year olds at the time. As soon as I told them - they lost the dream quickly.

Hopefully that's changed with the Algoforce. Unfortunately, it does come a little late in the game. But exploration prospecting is still a viable method to find gold - the days of pointy fingers and reworking old patches is pretty much over though. 

No way would I ever purchase a detector on credit, doing that you have to make it pay for itself, every detector I have or have ever had I paid cash for or traded a detector to get a different detector I was interested in, and if I did not have the cash I waited until I did so as to not feel like I just had to find only good things to make a detector pay for itself, yes I have recovered enough that most of the detectors I have purchased paid for them selves but some of them took me a couple years to recoup the cost in finds, I did not care as long as I was having fun doing what I love to do, it has gotten harder the past few years with my wife having medical issues but it is what it is and in the end it is just a fun hobby for me personally.

11 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Probably nothing, but on a high power PI you can also blow the front end circuit. Less a worry with the AA 12V units but you can bet an issue with SD/GP/GPX and GPZ high power detector. Even them you’ll probably get away with it, but why run the risk?

From the GPX 5000 manual:

“Always ensure that the control box is turned off before connecting or disconnecting the coil to avoid damage to the detector's electronics”

Thanks for clearing this up Steve, even though I never turn any of my detectors on without the coil connected, I was just curious on a PI, because of statements I have read but no one ever explained the why, so again thank you for taking the time to answer what is probably a common since answer LOL

I keep reading in a few different post (To Not Turn A PI On Without a coil connected)

I have not attempted to do so because of reading what I quoted, but have often been curious as to what would happen if one was to turn a PI on without a coil connected

I know with a VLF generally you will get a coil Error pop up and for instance like the Legend the Legend will shut itself down with out a coil attached

so can someone explain to me what happens if you power up a PI with out a coil attached (Just Curious)

also why do manufactures not put in a fail safe to prevent a PI from powering up with out a coil connected, if it can cause harm to a PI again just curios because of a statement in one of @Steve Herschbach recent post

On 2/9/2024 at 8:58 AM, ChuckScrivener said:

That's why I'm sorry for my grandkids who are just getting into this hobby. The early days with detectors were so much fun because the gold was there. Having been picked over it's hard to get anything but crumbs. New patches are still out there but the ones I've seen lately have come without the traditional indicators like dry wash piles or any old workings. They were the tough ones for even the old timers to find. I think the better finds for the future may come from better discrimination being able to search through old home sites or trashy tailings. 

Hell by the time my grand kids are old enough to start detecting, someone will have come out with a detector that will talk to you and tell you exactly what is under the coil or will have a voice that will say

(Hey Stupid Thats a Dam pull tab keep walking, or aluminum foil), or there will be a trap door that opens with a midget monkey that comes out and digs that pull tab for you so you do not have to get down on your old knees and dig yourself.

3 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

The fact is the glory days are over but few want to admit it. enjoy getting out and having a bit of fun

The biggest problem I see and I tell everyone this, if you are getting into this great hobby expecting to get rich find a different hobby and way to make a profit because metal detecting of any kind is not going to make you rich, the only ones getting rich are the manufactures of the equipment we all use, but if you are getting into this great hobby for the enjoyment of getting outside to have fun then by all means have fun

do I believe you can get lucky every once in awhile absolutely, (every Dog Finds a bone occasionally) LOL, but I dang sure do not keep purchasing these different detectors thinking they will make me rich, I purchase them because I enjoy trying different detectors and seeing what a new detector can do, most of them are no better than what I already had honestly, but they are fun just to get a different perspective, its like when I purchased the Axiom I already had the Garrett 24K and have found a few small bits, honestly I keep swinging the 24K why because it is a fun little VLF that keeps finding me a few little bits here and there, I wanted a PI so I purchased a PI, and I will eventually start swinging the PI more when the 24K quits being fun and stops finding me a few scraps here and there, this new AlgoForce E1500 i do not expect it to do anything more than what I already have other than spend more money on things I know I do not actually need LOL, I will pick one up when they become available why just because it looks like it will be a fun little PI to use and get a new perspective from LOL 

On 2/5/2024 at 10:44 PM, phrunt said:

Today I took the Algoforce to a gold area, the first thing I did was put it under some powerlines in the gold area and see how well it would do, the 6000 is very ratty under and even some distance from these lines, the 7000's also a little unstable but more usable at higher sensitivity than the 6000, the reason this is important to me is I've found good gold around these exact lines, biggest bit was .7 of a gram only a few meters from where this video was filmed with the GPZ and 8" X-coil.  So being able to run nicely around these lines is a big plus.

So, rather than my word, here is a video

This was my first target under the lines, unfortunately just a little bit of wire, but a demonstration of how it works under them with a target.

I will do a post about the rest of the day also; this was just my first target as I entered the area I was going to be detecting and like every new coil or detector I wanted to test it under these power lines as these ones run straight through a gold area.  I'm sure if you went back through some previous posts, you'll see the 6000 here, and the 7000.  

Again, I haven't watched these videos back yet I only just got home, I have no idea if its windy, or if there are any other disturbances, I like to do raw video, not editing out bits and pieces.  I like people to see exactly what I see.  

By the way I found gold, so hopefully I'm the first E1500 paying customer to find gold with it!! that'd be cool.

I have never ran out of likes as much as I have ran out since this new E1500 has been in your hands phrunt LOL

but here is a Great Big Thumbs up for all the testing you are doing, they are all greatly appreciated by a lot of us that are interested in this new detector

Gonna have to find me some Emoji's to start inserting in my replies because i keep abusing that thumbs up button and the Winners Cup LOL

27 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

The flat back makes it less prone to tipping over when set down. The front is blunt because the back is blunt. It's different than the other guys coils. Kind of like Deeptech making some octagonal coils. No good reason for it, somebody just thought it looked cool and was different.

I know of no reason why they are better than a normal pointy tip elliptical and would prefer those myself in the smaller coils. It is not a big deal with the 11x13 and I don't mind that design at all versus a round, maybe even prefer it. But the 7x11 I really wish was a pointy tip. Yes, the corners are hot on the mono, but not as hot as the tip and toe would be if it were a pointed tip. I think a pointed tip in a small coil is better for poking in nooks and crannies and for pinpointing with the tip.

The 11x13 though would normally be a round coil, and here the squared off design I actually like. But a case can be made that round coils are the natural shape for any detector coil and give the most consistent detection pattern. 

Those Blunt squared off coils is my only complaint with the Axiom also, on the Smaller Coils only though, the two bigger size coils I would never swing either of those in an area that a more pointed tipped small coil would work better, I do wish Garrett would at the very Least produce a couple of smaller pointed coils for the Axiom though, I only use the 16x14 mono and the 13x11 DD in areas where I have a open flat area to swing in, which is few and far between, maybe 7-10% of the time, the rest of the areas I detect I am trying to get in and around all kinds of obstacles and those squared off blunt noses and tails makes it tough

Come on Garrett or someone give us some smaller and more pointed or small and round coils for the Axiom, I don't care who it is just give us what we want and need for the task at hand LOL, a 6 or 8 inch round in Mono or DD or a 9x5 pointed in Mono or DD, I would be a happy camper for sure LOL

27 minutes ago, FarTraveller said:

"Why Is A $1500 Pi Even Being Talked About?"

Because that's a fair price? GPZ, after having such a long run, can't possibly cost more than $1000 to produce. The industry is dominated by a monopolistic cabal.

AlgoForce has a simple business plan:
1. Sell a PI detector at a fair price resulting in such demand the factory cannot even keep up.
2. Accept Minelab's offer to buy AlgoForce.
3. Start collecting mansions and yachts

For us, it's a great time to get one or two PI detectors.

Once Minelab owns AlgoForce, they'll neaten up the package and the units will be priced at $3500.

Would be great if AlgoForce would remain in the market and outside of the price fixing club. They should also jump into the coil aftermarket.  The result would be honest pricing from the big brands.

Obviously they do not need mine lab involved, from what I am seeing and reading they will do OK with out Mine labs Greedy Butt's involved, the only reason mine lab would get involved is to kill it and keep doing what they have been doing, keeping prices high and out of reach of the average detectorist and keep trying to monopolize the market. 

Thanks for showing how stable the TIDs are phrunt, I really like your UN edited videos

8 minutes ago, Ridge Runner said:

DSMITH  

 I’ve got a Vista X in the other room that I’m looking forward to using it soon on some property my son in law is planning on flipping.

 Chuck 

I think its going to be a good one for me, as I do not use TIDs on detectors, I listen to the Tones and if it sounds good to great I dig, even with the tech of today I never really looked at the screen much, I just wanted a detector that I could ground balance and adjust a little and then detect, and I felt the Vista X would allow me to do that, it should be here by Friday and we will see, hopefully it will bring back the fun in detecting to me again, as it has not been fun for me here lately at all

2 minutes ago, Lost Scout said:

I think a AA is  a AA.  I would have loved to use the rechargeable 9 volts in my GB 2  but for some reason they were ever so slightly bigger and the tolerance in the battery slot wouldn't take them.

Well I have found its not quite true when it comes to rechargeable AA batteries there really is a difference in the good ones and the cheaper brands, when it comes to using them in a detector the good ones like the Eneloop Pro's and such seem to give you a longer run time than just your average rechargeable AA's, size wise I have not noticed much differences but the amount of run time, I have noticed some pretty big differences in them

1 hour ago, Ridge Runner said:

No problem with the recharge batteries other than when they go down they go quick but like you said you have more than enough. I’m in the same boat as you with recharge and a cheaper way to go in the long run.

 Chuck 

Thanks Chuck, not a problem carrying spare rechargeable's for me, I use the Eneloop Pro's and picked up some carrier's for double A's the containers are made by Eneloop and hold 4 AA's in each one, have also had good results with the Tenergy AA's

Really looking forward to giving this Vista X a try

Is there a reason that the Deep Tech detectors are not discussed much on DP

I have recently done a trade deal for a Deep Tech Vista X, did I need the Vista X no, but I always wanted to try a beep and dig detector, so I did a deal on one, should be here by the end of the week 

One question I have on the Deep Tech Vista X, is it states to use Alkaline AA batteries to power, is there any reason you cannot use a good rechargeable AA battery in the Vista X, I have a ton of Rechargeable AA's, already

For me personally, it came down to, do I purchase a GPX6000 or pick up a Axiom the cost was the ultimate decision maker for me, I weighed the factors of ok am I going to find enough small nuggets to justify the expense difference between an Axiom or 6000, and I am not bragging but I could have purchased any PI I wanted including the GPZ 7000, most or a lot do not have that luxury of being able to purchase the most expensive out there, I weighed all my options that was available at the time and went with the sensible answer at the time, sure the PI I went with does not say Mine Lab on the side of it, but ultimately I went with the Sensible route and most realistic route I could have taken at the time, and that was the Axiom, I do like the Axiom, but I will tell anyone that ask me had the AlgoForce E 1500 been out at the time, that is the route I would have taken, because of the cost of the E1500.

I will be purchasing one of the E1500s when they become available in the U.S not because I need it, but simply because I want one, do I expect it to do anything that the Axiom cannot do (Nope), one of the reasons I went with the Axiom was because at the time I was under the impression there would be after market coils produced, I do not see this happening with the entrance of this new detector the E1500, personally for me, I like having coil options and that is the appealing part for me is the amount of coils that is already available for the E1500, again I like the Axiom but those blunt nosed coils I really do not care for.

4 hours ago, Voyager32 said:

I have had 3 different Avantree products, excellent quality, I use the Torus with both my detectors  the Legend and the Deus2 ws6 master, I use a low latency transmitter for the master, works great, I use the Torus a lot, listening to music and detecting, great sound.

Now you have given me an idea of how to mount a transmitter to my ORX when i receive it Monday or Tuesday LOL so I can use the Torus with the ORX