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  1. 3,000 pounds of #2 steel only costs about $350. If you ignore the design, alloying, fabricating, shipping, storage, dealer profit, taxes, CAPEX, labor and marketing costs a small car shouldn't cost much more than $500. Jewelers do all that and then display and advertise their goods in expensive limited exposure retail settings for months or years before selling them. The elemental gold and gems in a simple necklace or ring often involves a higher cost of raw material than a car that sells within 6 months in a very low overhead retail setting. The car dealer takes the car into stock on credit, the jeweler carries their stock on a cash basis. When you factor in the costs for the time and opportunity value of money the jeweler has a much higher unit overhead and still manages to provide a unique product, unlike the auto manufacturers. Why should a car with a few thousands of dollars worth of material and labor cost $30,000 new and only net $500 when sold for scrap value? Is the junkyard that's buying your scrap car making a fortune from that $500 purchase? Or maybe the car manufacturer is a crook? When you bought your last car or jewelry did you weigh them and figure out their raw material value before you bought them or did you buy the car or jewelry that best fit your desires and budget? You can't really blame the buyer of your gold/gems for the situation. At best they will make about 5% on the transaction after their costs are subtracted. If you purchased your jewelry or car with an eye to resale values you could receive more in a public resale situation than any jewelry scrap dealer or junkyard will pay you. A Cartier or Bulgari necklace will usually appreciate in resale value over time. A Walmart 14k gold necklace has a market value little better than scrap the day you purchase it. If the jeweler tells you they think your jewelry has a retail value of $1,000 and you accept less than spot value for the metal is it the jewelers fault you decided to scrap the piece rather than selling it yourself for $1,000? If a used car dealer tells you the car you purchased for $30,000 7 years ago is now worth $2,000 in the retail market and you sell it to a scrapyard for $500 is it the used car dealer that's at fault for your "loss"? You can't really expect either the used car dealer or the jeweler to purchase your used goods at the retail value and put them into their stock, there would be no profit left for them. The jeweler and the used car dealer both have distribution networks where they can buy and sell goods just like the ones you are offering for considerably less than retail. They have long term relationships and credit built up through these networks. Why would they pay you anywhere near their wholesale cost when there is only one transaction involved and you won't be there to back up your deal or provide more business in the future? I realize you have little control over the quality or value of your finds but I hope the above will give you a basis for understanding the concept of "value" when applied to jewelry. There are ways to get more money for your finds but they involve more work than just figuring out scrap value. If you want better offers from your buyers establish yourself as a long term customer/supplier. Find one or two buyers who offer you the best deals and build a relationship with them. Once you show some knowledge, respect and consistency your offers from them will increase right along with your value to them as a long term customer. I know several jewelers and coin dealers who regularly give me much better deals than they would an unknown off the street customer who was offering the same goods. That's because I've created a long term ongoing relationship that is mutually beneficial. Or you can try selling your finds at retail prices to the public. The jeweler or coin dealer has already provided you with a good estimate of retail value for free. After a few rounds of the retail experience you will better understand how overhead and the time cost of money affects the final cost of goods. You will get more money for your find but it will involve more expense and take considerably longer for you to complete the transaction. Business is about making a profit but for tradesmen it's also about building relationships that will further their business goals. Try to walk a mile in their shoes and I think you will discover that the real value in jewelry is all about market realities and is not based on the cost of materials they are made of or the price tag in a display case. If you continue to sell your finds for scrap value you can't really expect to get retail values. If you want retail values you will need to find a profitable way to sell them yourself at retail.
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    Home Coming For Steve H.

    Is this a contest? I'll guess two donkeys and a small spider monkey. Those spider monkeys will run you right out of a nice home and when they team up together with donkeys your days are numbered. What's the prize? Just to get this back on topic. Steve is obviously lurking nearby. I had a couple of the guys clean up his office before he got back but I'm not sure the twins moved on yet. Could one of you guys stop by and do a quick check to see if the girls are still sleeping? I'm thinking Mrs. Steve wouldn't be too happy to find them in her bedroom. All you guys who drank all that virtual beer still owe me 62 cents for your share of the virtual keg. If you can't pay up that's going to put some doubt about the next party when Steve leaves town. I know you guys like the cheep swill but the twins are making noises about how they like a better class of swill and they might just go to the upscale "Bill Southern's out of town" party instead of crashing at Steve's. Just a few issues that came up this round, maybe a meeting of the cheep swill lovers is in order before the next party?
  3. It's that time again. The August 31 deadline to make your required annual mining claims filings is only a month away. As she does every year Ruby has compiled general guidelines and a graphic flow chart to help claim owners understand their annual obligations. If you are confused about the process or just want a refresher review these could help make the process clearer. These are a free download. Feel free to share, distribute or print these out as long as you retain the attribution. General Guidelines Flow Chart Whatever you do don't be late. You will lose your claim if your filings aren't on time. Feel free to ask questions.
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    Adventure Awaits - Forum Absence

    The babysitter has left the house. Time to party! 😜 Steve said we could get sloppy so I did the math and if we each kick in 62 cents I can get my big brother to buy a keg of real cheep 'Merican beer with a bag of plastic cups. 🍺 I'll see if the twins will come - nothing like some party girls to kick off the fun. Keep the music down so the neighbors don't call the cops and this could be an epic all month party! BYOD (bring your own detector)
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    Quest For Silver

    Have you tried contacting the owner for permission to detect?
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    Okay Time Travelers Back To The Early70’s

    Seems like folks sure lost a lot of stuff back then. 😮 In '71 I was working the Merced river near Briceberg. Thanks for posting those Chuck. 👍 👙 🍔
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    How To Ignore Users On The Forum

    It's the favored drink of public school here Reg. Put some in your fizzy drink and nobody knows you are drinking until you fall down and go into a coma. Good Stuff! I don't even drink alcohol. I do keep the stuff around for when I need to clean something that can't have a chemical residue. Strong stuff and it makes for good bonfires.
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    How To Ignore Users On The Forum

    You guys down there sure do wimp out on your beer. Around these parts a six pack of the good stuff looks like this: No XXXXXs needed. Not available in a "gold" version and putting a bow or a dress on it is considered a felony. Paul is a lightweight. He visits down under to take a break from real American beer. 🐢🐜🐓🐰 NOW you can try out that ignore button. Best emoticons on any forum Steve. I don't know what they are but they sure are fun to use.
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    Rye Patch Claim Jumpers?

    Randy I am more than capable of making such a map. It's what I do for a living. I do the research and make the maps that other professionals use to plan their mineral exploration. Each of those maps is a snapshot in time as you pointed out. The currency of the information on mining claims and land status needs to be considered. At best a lag of at least 110 days behind the actual status of the area being mapped is a given. My disclaimers about the currency of information presented to my clients is extensive and specific to the data being offered. Clearly if I were to do that work for free for public distribution the area would be quickly claimed up, possibly by one of the members on this forum. 😉 Then there would be no place for you discover and prospect. Sort of counterproductive to your wish wouldn't you say? A middle ground would be to provide more generalized but as timely as possible information for prospectors to do their own research. That's been offered for several years at the Land Matters nonprofit website. There are mining claim maps located to the nearest section with direct links to individual claim's Serial Register Pages as well as links to the County Recorders, Master Title Plat downloads and instructional tutorials and videos. Essentially Land Matters provides you with the tools and instructions to do the bulk of your prospecting research work yourself from the comfort of your home. The answers are in there but they do require work on the part of the prospector to answer their specific questions about a specific area. Silver platter enough? 😋 As for your "simple" map on Google Earth, GE has a valid use for getting a generalized view of the physical terrain. The 3D function is far from accurate or representative but it allows a view that no other free public mapping system provides. I'm going to share with you Google's take on the value of that form of mapping as far as locational accuracy and use: Google Earth, Land Matters, the LR2000 and the County Recorder each have a role to play for prospector's research. Each has their own degree of reliability and accuracy. Knowing those factors I would have to say no "expert" will ever be able to give you an answer to your question that might not change before you arrive on site. Ultimately it's up to each individual prospector to determine the status of lands before putting boots on the ground. Due diligence is the legal standard required of prospectors entering the public lands. Relying on a map someone offered publicly does not absolve you of your legal duty to perform that due diligence. I might share an open location privately much as someone might offer to share a patch. In neither case will you be guaranteed of success. If you don't get any gold on the shared patch you might go home disappointed. If you trespass on a shared potential prospecting location without doing your own due diligence you could arrive home much later and with a new legal problem. Do the research to find open ground, put boots on the ground and check for existing locations then prospect with confidence. It's been done that way for as long as there has been mining. Modern tools often make that process easier but you still need to complete the process before you can legally prospect, even if someone has given or sold you a map. Barry
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    Rye Patch Claim Jumpers?

    Rye Patch is not "all claimed up". Very few areas are ever "all claimed up". It's a lot of research work to find them but just about every good mineralized area has spots open to prospecting and location. Rail Dawg has done the research process at Rye Patch and located several nice claims. Land status research has been an important part of prospecting for thousands of years. It's a basic prospector's skill that thousands of people in the U.S. make their livelihood from. Those prospectors are usually formed into groups of three or four people and they are known in the industry as either Junior mining companies or Junior Exploration companies. They are an integral part of the world mining industry. Prospecting isn't just about beeping up a few nuggets. It can be, and often is, the ticket for the little guy to make real money while learning about a mineralized area. Don't get discouraged by the volume of claims in a popular easily accessed area. There will be unclaimed areas, often in very surprising places that everyone will tell you are "all claimed up".
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    Well it's been a long month of testing and tuning but the Land Matters servers are ready to service a lot more users more quickly now. There was a little over a week during the past month where the mapping functions were pretty unreliable for some users. Although Land Matters was still serving more than a thousand maps an hour about 14 people a day had their maps become unresponsive during that time. 14 people out of thousands of users might seem like a small percentage but I'm sure it was a frustrating experience for those it happened to. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience you experienced. Land Matters servers have been running with the new server tunings for a week now with no errors or glitches. Even the most complex maps are being produced in under 4 seconds on average. All is good now. Thanks for your patience.
  12. Sorry for the difficulty Johnny. I just searched the Land Matters Library for all these terms individually: war powers board L-208 Each of those searches returns the War Powers Board L-208 order download as a result. So does a search for "gold", "mining", "limitation" and "order". If that still isn't working for you here is a direct link to the War Powers Board L-208 order.
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    Medical Metal Detector?

    Too much electronic noise and metal for a metal detector to work in a hospital environment. Ask Garfield.
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    Contest For Small Power Inverter

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    Big Win For Southern California Miners!!

    The ban was only on locating mining claims. Mining sales and leases were still allowed. Prospecting was still allowed. Mining of non locatable minerals was still allowed. The BLM enforced the ban by refusing to maintain a mining claim case file for a new location. No BLM case file = no mining claim. The line was drawn at locating a mining claim. You could prospect for and discover valuable minerals but you couldn't claim those minerals for yourself. If you discovered oil, coal, sulfur, phosphorous or a bunch of other non locatable minerals you could lease the discovery and mine it. If you needed sand or construction materials you could buy those and mine them. Only the valuable minerals like gold, silver, copper, lead, tin etc. were banned from location. Neither hiking nor anything else was banned.