Steve Herschbach
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4 hours ago, dig4gold said:
No, but it will with its newer technology find gold missed by other detectors on old patches. Look at the success of the 6000. Most new release gold detectors/coils have that ability to bring old patches back to coughing up a few more bits. Maybe not as big but often lots of smaller stuff. It all adds up.
D4G
It’s also true that diminishing returns is a real thing. Spending ever more money for ever less gold is not sustainable forever. I did this for profit and made good money at it up until the release of the 7000 and for several years after. Yes, the 6000 kept the number count up, but the weight dropped off dramatically. I finally shut the doors a couple years ago on my small gold mining company business license after turning steady profits since 1979. I simply could not reliably cover expenses anymore, let alone turn a decent profit. The fact is the glory days are over but few want to admit it. I officially entered the ranks of hobbyist detectorist and still enjoy getting out and having a bit of fun looking for gold, but I’m far less motivated now than I was when I was getting 1/4 oz a day minimum. It’s been a couple years since I got more than an ounce in a day, something I used to do regularly.
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Quartz by itself is one of the most common rocks on the planet and means nothing at all by itself. All it means is you found quartz. I have never seen so much quartz in my life as I saw wandering around Australia, but 99.9% of it is worthless.
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Another tidbit on coils. Minelab coils are generally compatible with the White's TDI and the reverse is also true. This means that most TDI coils will likely work on the E1500 though there is no guarantee of this. My sense is that the TDI was very forgiving on coils and so could use Minelab coils, but that there is an actual difference. Luckily the E1500 can adjust for quite a bit of range between coils. Just like not getting a DD coil just to try I'm not sure I'd get a TDI coil specifically for the E1500, but there were some very different coils made for the TDI that I would like to try myself. Specifically a little 4x6 mono, the smallest mono I have ever heard of that is not a pinpointer.
The TDI dual fields are a type of mono coil with an inner and outer coil running at the same time and should function properly with the E1500. The inner coil design was specifically intended to boost the inner small gold sensitivity on larger mono coils, which are typically edge sensitive and weaker in the middle on the tiny bits.
The old Coiltek PI pinpointers for the Minelabs should also work on the E1500.
Various Jimmy Sierra coils for the White's TDI
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I sent Alex some general questions about coils and connections. First, while damage is unlikely, the detector should not be powered on without a coil attached. Also, coils should not be connected or disconnected while the detector is powered up.
The E1500 is designed specifically for the use of mono coils and is wired to run one winding as both transmit and receive coil - the definition of a mono coil. A DD coil may be attached to the E1500 and it will normally operate but with only one half the coil active. One half of the DD coil will act as a mono coil, and the other half will simply remain an open circuit. The is identical to what happens with Minelab GP and GPX models when you run a DD coil in mono mode. From the GPX 5000 manual:
"Using a Double D coil, running in Mono will often increase the sensitivity of the detector but may also be a little more unstable in heavily mineralised ground. Pinpointing is not centred in the middle of the coil, but to the left side, and may give a complex signal when the target is very close to the coil. It is recommended you use the left edge of the coil to pinpoint shallow targets."
To clarify, when they say that the detector may be more unstable in heavily mineralized ground, they mean compered to the DD coil being run in DD mode. Running it in mono mode turns the coil into a smaller, hotter mono coil, which not only increases it's sensitivity to small gold but also ground and hot rock effects.
Alex emphasized that they did no testing with DD coils but that there is no problem giving them a try. This raises interesting possibilities for people who own a DD coil and want to try it. For instance, a Minelab Commander 10" x 5" DD coil would be transformed into a roughly 10" x 3" mono coil if attached to the E1500. It would obviously still be the same physical size and weight, but also might be a very sharp small gold coil that would cover a decent swath of ground. As the DD coils get larger you would be paying a significant size and weight penalty, but on 11" and smaller coils they are light enough already it should not pose an issue. And mind you, I am not recommending people run out and get DD coils to do this. It is just that there are a lot of these coils out there sitting unused and perhaps a E1500 user will already have one, or get one dirt cheap to play with.
Good article here by forum member Nenad (phasetech) on mono and DD coil differences.
Algoforce E1500 Specifications & Manuals
Double D (DD) coil in both DD mode and Mono mode
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13 hours ago, dig4gold said:
I don't know why you guys even waist your time posting about these.
D4G
To troll for questions about why anyone would post this kind of stuff. Also it's my forum and I'll post whatever I want - since I got a chuckle out of it I thought some other people might also.
But really it is not bad for people to see this stuff and then see comments from knowledgeable people about what they think about them. It's a form of education for those that do not know.
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4 hours ago, Norvic said:
Its tracking is like Fixed in a lot of MLs Pis, which was the preferred way to run them for a lot of us, auto tracking is good but can result in faint deep lunkers being missed. For convenience if the E1500 had a better located dedicated button to GB as per those MLs be the go for me.
I never used ground tracking until Minelab forced me to use it by giving me detectors with no option to turn it off. The rationale for doing so was less about it being the best methodology, than it was about the average detectorist not being up to the task of keeping their detector properly ground balanced. I am not saying there are not times when ground tracking is the best option. But I certainly also think there are times when tracking is not only not required, but is a less desirable option than fixed. A detector should offer both options, not force you to choose. But if forced to choose, I prefer not to use ground tracking if chasing tiny bits and as this seems to be the main focus of the E1500 it is a logical choice.
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The flat back makes it less prone to tipping over when set down. The front is blunt because the back is blunt. It's different than the other guys coils. Kind of like Deeptech making some octagonal coils. No good reason for it, somebody just thought it looked cool and was different.
I know of no reason why they are better than a normal pointy tip elliptical and would prefer those myself in the smaller coils. It is not a big deal with the 11x13 and I don't mind that design at all versus a round, maybe even prefer it. But the 7x11 I really wish was a pointy tip. Yes, the corners are hot on the mono, but not as hot as the tip and toe would be if it were a pointed tip. I think a pointed tip in a small coil is better for poking in nooks and crannies and for pinpointing with the tip.
The 11x13 though would normally be a round coil, and here the squared off design I actually like. But a case can be made that round coils are the natural shape for any detector coil and give the most consistent detection pattern.
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2 minutes ago, phrunt said:
I guess, it was just 2 years ago they first indicated they're working on it.... so by now it would have been nice to have something, or at least an indication it's not far away or real proper official confirmation it's even coming, we may very well be waiting on nothing.
I know what you guys are up to - just trying to pry a comment out of Dilek.
Who knows, might work, always worth the effort.
Of course it is coming, they have said that already. I would take a lack of official information or announcement as meaning it is not next week nor even next month. By the way Fisher, Garrett, Minelab, and XP are all working on new products and always will be until they go out of business. XP could surprise us with a new PI next month. Speculation about upcoming new product keeps the forum fueled and I appreciate that, but in the real world if you need something now, buy it. If not, wait. Procrastination almost always pays of in the world of technology. That huge OLED TV I have been eyeing for years just keeps getting better and cheaper, better and cheaper.........
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23 minutes ago, phrunt said:
That's true, moving away from just being gold focused and inclusive of a wider range of users is key to success for Nokta. They may seem smaller markets for PI's than gold, but that's because they've not had the right product, if it comes out, they have a real opportunity to sell a lot of them. Find the Algoforces weak points and take advantage of that. It's a shame we've not heard anything about progress since the start on the PI, the Legend was different, plenty of progress information on it prior to release, perhaps they wanted to do what Algoforce has done and take the market by surprise.
I don’t like these deals where we hear about but can’t get detectors for months if not years. Algoforce nailed it for Australia and NZ but here in the states it is the same old waiting game again.we all know Nokta is working on a PI but until they have something that is near ready for release there is little point in saying much more.
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Nokta is late but has not missed the boat. They just need to be better than the Algoforce.
Under $4000 we have the
Garrett Axiom at $3995, 4.2 lbs, 6 coils, not submersible
Minelab SDC 2300 at $3599, 5.7 lbs, one hardwired coil with three hard to install aftermarket coils, waterproof but floats like a cork, not really submersible
Garrett ATX at $2120, 6.9 lbs, four overpriced coil with rod included options, fully submersible
Algoforce at approx $1800 with coil and power pack, 4 lbs, dozens of coils options (over 100 if you count used), not submersible.If I were Nokta I would take the Legend package at 3.0 lbs and add an underarm power pack, leaving more room in the pod for electronics. Keep the whole thing fully submersible at 4 lbs. And just do what Nokta does in providing lots of coils themselves plus getting the aftermarket people on board. The glaring thing missing from the Algoforce is any kind of serious beach capability, and the beach hunters on Friendly Forum have already lambasted the machine for once again leaving them out of the equation. The only real submersible ground balancing beach PI at the moment is the Garrett ATX at $2120 and 6.9 lbs, crappy coil setup.
So Nokta needs a 4 lb fully submersible PI at around $2000 that is at least as good as the Algoforce on gold. By all accounts so far the Algoforce is awesome on small gold, but only ok at best on larger targets. Even the manufacturer downplays the large item capability. So I would be sure the Nokta offering is good on small gold but be sure it beats the Algoforce on coin and ring size targets, playing to both beach hunters and nuggets hunters looking for larger nuggets.
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I just love the part where he starts extending all the antenna - best comedy video I have seen in a while.
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Only $7500 or $5500 on sale!
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3 hours ago, DSMITH said:
Is there a reason that the Deep Tech detectors are not discussed much on DP
The reality is simple. Most people want target id and other features like being waterproof the DeepTech lack. That means few people own them compared to the top sellers, and that means less discussion. They work just fine, great even, but people want what they want.
There have been 19 threads since 2014 specific to DeepTech....
AlgoForce E1500 And DD Coils
in AlgoForce Metal Detectors
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No way to know without trying them. I’ve never really been a fan of the dual fields or folded mono coil, preferring a straight up mono myself. These coils are attempting to solve issues with edge sensitivity, which is exactly what I like about mono coils. The Hi-Q was just an attempt to sell dual field under a new name as far as I know.