VicR

Will be interesting to see if Nokta brings something new to the table or it will be similiar to AlgoForce. What will be equally interesting is to see how Minelab will react to all this new competition (Nokta & AlgoForce) in the PI market they currently dominate - hopefully with better product at a reasonable price rather than litigation. Time will tell.

Maybe you need a different thread listing all your requirements for a PI beach machine - much like was done for the the PI gold machine challenge and just wait for AlgoForce to fill a gap in the market again.

So is the 6000 "significantly" different (improved) to the SDC in terms of being able to detect small gold?

I am hoping that Algoforce may force Minelab to become more user friendly rather than buzzword focused - just purchase a set of Avantree Aria ME S headphones that leave the stock 6000 headphones for dead but i cant use them wirelessly on the Manticore. Thats just nuts.

Did we ever find out what Geosense is?

Minelab lists 8 Australian patents for the 6000. I am guessing that 2 or 3 of these patents where used in the SDC developments (oldest patent going back to 2011) and were incorporated into the 6000 development but there are 4 patents from 2019 (2019 x 1, 2020 x 2, 2021 x 1) that look to be specifically related to the 6000 development. Most of these 4 refer to an " improved metal detector" - so are we saying the 6000 is only an incremental improvement on the SDC?

Patents are not my expertise as well but i went into the two new patent applications and the patent applications from last year are referenced in the new applications as " Associated Provisional Patent Applications" so somehow they are tied together or linked - maybe they reference the old application to keep the effective date from last year.

Thanks Steve - so the two i have quoted have new application numbers - so have Algoforce just reapplied for similiar patents with some fine tuning of the application maybe to increase their chances of the application succeeding?

Algoforce have lodged some new patent applications in Australia last week. Its looks possible that they may not be a one hit wonder and that they are serious about developing new products - time will tell. Ambient Sound Control - would this be like a noise cancelling function ? Time Domain Metal Detector - guessing instead of applying algorithms or filters to frequencies it will be applied to a specific unit of time. Would be great to have some opinions on how this would help a metal detector (VLF or PI) find more targets.

I have had the Manticore for 15 months now - comparing it to the Equinox 800 it is a far better beach machine finding targets much deeper and less prone to EMI interference. In benign soil where you can crank up the sensitivity again you can find more with the Manticore if the targets are deep. Its more than paid for itself in finds so I am very happy with it.

Yep - if it doesn't show up in auto correction these days errors have a good chance of getting published.

I think they are referring to gold detectors - quote below from the same patent The fit-for-purpose high-end commercial "gold" metal detector industry has changed very considerably since its rudimentary introductions in approximately the 1970s, and this progress continues unabated. The electronics, signal processing, algorithms and accuracy of these high-end products have become considerably more complex and demanding. As a result, the R&D investment and design skills are orders of magnitude higher now than they were a few decades ago. It is imperative at this time of writing, that for a fit-for-purpose high-end commercial gold metal detector to be successful at detecting as yet unfound gold nuggets in magnetic soils in know goldfields, it must be capable of highly accurate log uniform and log-linear distributed VRM ground-balancing, to cope with highly magnetic soils, and have yet further innovative improvements beyond the previous generation of state-of-the-art products.

Maybe the next gold detector from Minelab will not be able detect deeper but will be able to more clearly identify and amplify the faint signals that we miss - refer to a Bruce Candy / Minelab recently approved Australian patent 2023202011. The abstract of the patent reads - A method for detecting a target using a metal detector by producing at least two different modulated audio tones, by modulating a first audio tone with a first stereo audio modulator signal and modulating a second audio tone with a second stereo audio modulator signal; and applying at least the first audio tone to a left side of an audio stereo target indicator indicative of the target, and applying at least the second audio tone to a right side of the audio stereo target indicator; wherein the modulating of the first audio tone and modulating of the second audio tone, comprises one or more of the following; a modulation of a volume of a tone, a modulation of a pitch of a tone, a modulation of relative harmonics ratios of a tone, a modulation of a chord richness of a tone. I have never thought about this before but i am assuming that the current signals we hear from detectors are in mono - the same sound in left and right of the headphones. Having stereo signals may give the engineers more scope to amplify the signals we want to hear.

A non compete clause is usually for a set period of time and that he is out of contract now.

Just remember to add the price of coil, battery & headphones - still a good price , especially if you already have these items in your kit.