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I'm not so sure about that Phrunt. I mean, when someone is researching detectors, they might look at retail shops and distributors for pricing, but they'll quickly move to the forums, Facebook, and You Tubers, to get user information on detectors. As such, I don't think distributers play a role in increasing detector sales. Social media does all that, and does so at no cost to the manufacturers. Shipping time is of course a factor, but when one has decided what detector to buy, I don't think waiting a little longer to receive it, would be a deterrent to the buyer. Although, the manufacturers could go with just one distributor in North America, and one distributer in Europe for everyone else.

Me too. I can't see how it makes financial sense for a manufacturer to pay distributers in a global market, for a very niche product. When Minelab used to dominate the global market, they could maintain a very high mark up without having any concern of profit loss due to a distribution network. However, Minelab no longer has that dominance since the likes of Nokta, XP, and probably Quest. Further to that, is Amazon selling a plethora of cheap detectors made in China. It's cut throat time in this industry, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the manufacturers start to eliminate the distributers and ship directly from their manufacturing site.

I can't find any info on it on Quest's web page or their Facebook page, but there is this: Quest Europe GmbH on Instagram: “Hey Quest fans! We are happy to announce the successor of one of our most successful and loved machines, the Q30. The new Q35 will come…”

I find pitch to be irritating. I don't hunt with it, nor do I do any testing with it. However, if pitch does go slightly deeper, then "Why does it?", is a good question. Well, if pitch goes slightly deeper, my guess it's because the required detection threshold for pitch, is lower than it is for the bell (square wave?) tone. Meaning, the absolute weakest signals can give a slight pitch tone, whereas the same weak signal would produce a too short and clippy square wave tone, so no tone is given at all. That's my guess anyway. If it's true though, I would also think that the extra pitch depth would be very minimal.

Some say pitch tones gives more information about the target. Some say 60 tones is overwhelming. Some can't stand pitch tones, and prefer the bell like tones. Some prefer to use 1 tone. Some are just the opposite of all that ? It's really subjective and personal preference. For example, even if you think pitch tones gives more information, you're probably not going to use pitch tones if you don't like that type of sound.

? That's the kind of thinking that got me in trouble in my younger days! Due to that, in my later years I had some sort of "rebound" or "about face", and became the proverbial miser ? Anyway, with (apparently) most of the brains in the coil, and how it's kind of like two detectors in one, is really intriguing.

I don't even own a D2, but I'm happy for you guys!

There has been some really good information about the D2 in this thread. Sheesh, I'm near the epitome of skeptical, but I must admit, I'm now thinking about trying a D2.

If that is true, then holy smokes, that's kind of amazing!

A processor too? Ok, but we're not talking about some latest gen gaming processor or rendering 4k video. It's an induction balance signal. Heck, an old school $10 Intel 386 could process that type of signal rather nicely ? I can see the warranty as an advantage though. So is it 5 years on workmanship and 10 years on parts? I know of the 5 years, but never heard about that 10 year thing that losfinder mentioned. Also, the wireless aspect is one of those love or hate things. From what I've read, a lot more people complain about it, then say good things about it. However, that could very well be down to the natural tendency to speak about something that annoys, but not say much when satisfied. For me, I would much prefer a wired coil. Especially for my in water hunting.

Well since you're at least the second person to mention the coil contents, I'm going to comment on it as well. Sorry Chase! lol Wireless transmitters and receivers are dirt cheap. Ditto for the battery. Unless I'm missing something else, those two don't seem to be any justification for the high coil cost.

Regarding your first paragraph: That's strange, because my experience has been the opposite. On two SMF detectors and one SF detector, EMI doesn't even register on the depth meters. Granted, I'll occasionally see EMI bury the depth meter, but for the most part, it doesn't budge it. Regarding your second paragraph: When I first started investigating EMI, I did come across a couple of posts that people did experience less EMI from power lines when at a 45 degree away from them. In my tests, I did experience some noise reduction at 45 degrees, but it wasn't enough of a reduction to confidently conclude that it was a result of the 45, or simply a matter of moving further away from the EMI source. When you mentioned single frequencies, I realized that when I did the coil orientation test and found no noise difference, I didn't try the same test in SF. Anyway, I just got back in from my backyard from such a test. I was right under 3 power lines testing the SF modes. The coil remained at about 3ft above the ground and was stationed vertically. I then pivoted the detector up, so that the coil was horizontal. Low and behold, there was a significant reduction in EMI that did not occur in the same test with SMF. What I get from all of this, is that the relationship between metal detectors and EMI is very complex due to all the variables. Variables such as the size and type of coil, detector frequency, type of EMI, intensity of EMI, and possibly even whether or not the power lines are stacked vertically or spread out horizontally. Add to all that those pesky harmonics, and it's not hard to see how experiences can differ greatly based on those variables.

That's fine Chase, but my points about the Legend (note I mentioned the Vanquish as well), and my point about the coil cost, were only mentioned because they are my reasons and examples that directly relate to this thread. It would pretty boring if people gave yes/no replies without any examples, context, or elaborations.

Agreed, but that's only true to a point. There is also a huge aspect of, "They paid a lot of money for this detector, so they'll pay pretty much any price we set for the coils". A good example of that, is another metal detecting company that I won't mention, charging significantly different prices for the same coils, based on the purchase price of the detector.

The OP's question was titled "What are you willing to pay for a D2". Does it not logically follow that the replies to such would include not just the reasoning behind what one would pay for a D2, but preferably give examples of that reasoning? As such, if those reasons include what they don't like about the D2, that's not bashing. With that said, I think it's completely accurate for me to label the price of the D2's coils as "ludicrous", and for Phrunt to call the D2's stand a "screw up". If I was being even more blunt, I would label both as a "WTF??" ?

I'm 53 now, and in my younger years, my income was significantly higher than average. My main hobbies were metal detecting, Astronomy (not astrology!!!), computers, and generally anything electronic. The amount of money I wasted on buying the latest and greatest of those things, still makes me cringe to this day. In around my mid 30's my income increased even further, but thankfully, some wisdom increased as well. Since then, I came to the conclusion that best value for my money in any product was in the "mid price" range. The cheapest products may or may not work well, but regardless, they often didn't last long either. The most expensive products may work slightly better than the mid priced products, but it typically in no way justified such an enormous price increase, nor did it guarantee product quality. In specific regard to metal detectors. Well, my current favorites given my desire for "value for my money", are the Vanquish line, and the Legend. In regards to the OPs question, I might buy a D2 if it was priced similar to the Legend, but then again, I probably wouldn't because there are a few things about the D2 that really annoy me, along with the ludicrous cost of their coils. The only way I would spend money on another detector, is if it's a true imaging detector, or it can differentiate between aluminum and gold (which can't be done with an induction balance detector). I don't think that looks gnarly at all.

In my EMI tests, I've also found that EMI noise was reduced significantly once the coil is in motion on the ground. The amount of reduction was based on the strength of the EMI. What I also found out, is that the EMI noise had little or nothing to do with the orientation of the coil. For example, with the coil off the ground, the EMI noise remained constant with the coil stationed vertically or horizontally. I first thought that the ground noise was masking the EMI noise. On the other hand, I've got extremely mild ground, so I don't really have ground noise to begin with. As such, my next best guess was that the EMI noise was significantly reduced because with the coil on the ground, EMI can only affect the half of the electromagnetic field that is above the coil, but the EMI can't penetrate the ground to affect the other half of the field that is under the coil. If that is true, I need an "Auto Mute" feature when my detector is horizontal ?

I enjoy seeing what any detecting company comes up with to try and rise above the pack. A good example of this, is Quest and their gyro. Although, that doesn't mean I think the gyro will allow me to find more goodies, and incidentally, I don't. So, when I'm tempted to buy a new detector, I ask myself: Will I find more treasure with it? So, for you guys that will be purchasing the Versa, are you purchasing it just because it's awesome to have a lot of detectors? (I understand that ?). Or, are you purchasing it because you think it will find more treasure compared to your current flagship SMF? If the latter, how so? EDIT- One other question: What's up with Rutus using such tiny screens? Is it because their users in a particular geographic location, and particular sites, don't use the screen much?

Some of this might be helpful: http://www.metaldetectings.com/news.php?item.22.2 https://md-hunter.com/going-on-hunt-in-a-limo-the-history-of-whites/

That's an incredible site you've got there. Sucks to have to use an 11" round coil on it, but it's better than nothing. When I first got my Legend, I didn't get the 6" and thought I would be fine on my trashy sites with the stock 11" round coil. I figured I would just use a low gain and high recovery. Let's just say that didn't work out too well, and I quickly ordered the 6". The 11" went into the closet, and I didn't take the 6" off until I got the 9.5x6. Now my dilemma is choosing between the 6" round and the 9.5x6. First world problems! ?

With the coin / nail test, there does seem to be a sweet spot in the coil to target height, that makes the coin ID the best. Although when I'm hunting for nonferrous targets in high iron, the ID doesn't matter, because the ID of the nonferrous target gets dragged down by the iron target. So basically, in that scenario, I dig everything that even gives a hint of a nonferrous tone, regardless of what the ID says. Is that what you do?

There could very well be a scenario in which pumping the coil could help, and you seemed to think so as well. However, I can't think of what that scenerio might be, and of course didn't experience it in my testing. I just politely asked you if you could think of a scenario in which it would help. Anyway, in my testing, I found pumping made all my iffy nonferrous targets sound and ID worse. It was also worse in my "coin beside nail" test, because with those targets further from the coil, the coin signal and nail signal became blended, instead of separated. Just a guess, but I suspect that's due to the coil's wavefront getting more spread out the further away it is from the coil. As such, when the nail and coin combo is further away from the coil, the more spread out wavefront ends up encompassing both targets and seeing them as one ferrous target.

Can you please describe a scenario in which moving coil further from the target(s) would provide better target information, and how often would that scenario occur?

When I first heard of the pump method, my initial thought was, "Pumping is moving the coil further from the target. The further the target is from the coil, the more iffy it will sound. Plus, eventually the distance gets far enough, that nonferrous targets would sound like ferrous". So ya, it didn't make any sense in my mind, but what the heck, I tried it in my test bed. After the testing, and long story short, I won't be pumping the coil to help determine target type ?

By the looks of some people in my downtown area, it's only going to be a few years! I'm in a rapidly growing city in North America. All the other hunters I've discussed this with, or read about, also experience that the lower the frequencies, the more EMI noise. It's only been very recently that I've read about some saying the opposite.