KevinOntheCape Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 My wireless setup arrived today.A tiny Taotronics TX and Cowan 7 noise canceling headphones, easy setup and seems to work well.The TX is supposed to have 10 hr battery time,headphones 20hr. I will try to post pics tomorrow. I struggle with headphone, they just hurt after a while but these are comfy. No clue as to durability, they seem ok and I generally don't slam my gear around.Gotta get a wired set for back up.Oh, both units are Bluetooth 5.0 low latency. A short hunt today in a super trashy campground. So much stuff that one swing can sound like Morse code! A few times I would chase a nice high tone but pinpoint would be way off center and come through as a low tone, I assume this is trash making a deeper target? I had to resort to a 3 tone Coin profile, too much sound was a distraction and fatigued me.Maybe the reaction and masking setting could help? I am unfamiliar with using those.From reading the manual those are very interactive and might need subtle adjustments. Does the VCO only affect the threshold ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadfield Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Yes, VCO only affects the all metal channel. Masking could help, it is a filter for any bits that has broken through the disc. Higher masking settings for trashy areas where depth isn't the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinOntheCape Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 ok. Thanks. I was out yesterday and was using dual mode, I have to spend more time with using threshold, it is eye opening what it can reveal.I have no experience with it but it seems like having pinpoint running in the background. 2 things I can wish for- User tones is a great feature, adjustable volume per tone would be even better.Adjustable pinpoint tone. Minor tweaks to an awesome detector.I am just scratching the surface. I am always checking out different detectors on U Tube, the ones the interest me are 1-Etrac,2-Nox800,3-AKA Signum, but to they offer more the the Alter ? Not so sure, but I do like the Etrac !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL NINO77 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 My proven setting of the alter for terrain heavily polluted with iron .., use the program fast 14khz-18.4 khz ... using Mix mode with a sufficiently fast Sat ,, and also set low volume iron ... I would be careful to use a VCO for strong separation ... because then you may have too much signal in from the iron ,,, but it can be adjusted with reduced iron volume .., and discrimination and the VCO will then work more in the non-ferrous field. . You don't have to worry too much about setting the mask ... because Alter adjusts the Mask according to the set Filter speed ... At a filter speed of 6 j you set the maximum mask to the level of 2 max ... of course you can reduce this masking as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinOntheCape Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 I was out for a little in my front yard trying some settings, I noticed the other day I was getting confused with to much sound, and My head was not really in the game which can really affect my attention. I ended up very close to your settings. Do you find a specific frequency is best for coin hunting? I do like threshold running in the background. Next I am going to use the Concentric coil. I have not seen coil covers available, so I will be using bedliner spray, worked great on the AT Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinOntheCape Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 I spent about 40 min in the front yard and pulled up 15 coins and 2 pieces of trash(foil and 6" copper wire) one copper cent was with in 1" of the wire.I can tell which coin is which fairly accurately, it is taking some getting used to the wireless headphones.They produce such a spectrum of sound that it was distracting at first.No noticeable latency issues and very comfy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadfield Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I find 13khz is an excellent frequency for coins, goes deep and doesn't pick up tiny bits of foil. Just for fun try a reverse disc program with Alter, by that I mean set up a notch of accept 0-30 and reject 31-120. Set a custom single tone of 99 (or a low tone of your choice), set threshold high at 444 (again tweak to your choice), run it in dual mode. Make sure iron vol is 0. What you will have now is a very deep program with iron tone provided by the motion channel, dig everything else with a high tone from the threshold. This program won't be for everybody but shows the versatility of Alter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinOntheCape Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 Now that is outside the box,I will give it a try.I have been trying 17k at home to deal with emi, and have been surprised by how useful dual mode is.I have found a specific setup yet but am taking my time with changes so as not to be overwhelmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Kinsey Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 10:10 PM, KevinOntheCape said: Hello all, new member here. I recently got a Rutus Alter 71 after using an AT Pro for the past couple yrs. After much research I chose this over the Nox 800 because I can't run with the crowd and after hearing an interview with the developer I was hooked. I wanted a change because my buddy was really cleaning up with his MX Sport and for me as a musician the AT Pro tones annoyed me, particularly the iron grunt gets tiresome. I will say the AT has been good to but the Alter is another level and I really like it. The sweet sounds and tweakability makes me feel connected to the machine just as a really good guitar seems to become an extension of the music making not just a thing in my hands. The Alter arrived the day after having shoulder surgery which gave a couple of days with the manual and online videos before I gave in an assembled it.The next day I had it in the backyard to get familiar with the menus and such, man oh man it was comfortable to swing and well balanced.I have been out about 5 times with it looking goofy with one arm in a sling but got comfortable with it very quickly and have been hitting finds much quicker and more often.I have a learning curve ahead of me but I feel that this machine is a good platform to learn skills I have been reading about and makes those techniques accessible. I have questions for anyone familiar with this detector- 1- any headphone recommendations? I am putting together a bluetooth setup but may get wired ones also. 2-I setup a discrimination pattern but it appears to be a global setting,can this be setup as a user program to be recalled ? Any other tips and guidance will be welcome, I really feel good about this detector. Rutus Alter 71 metal detector I field tested this detector. Good choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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