New Notch Feature In V0.71?

[raziel900]

6 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

‎Come dice furbo, 00 in genere viene visualizzato per bersagli deboli o terrestri o profondi tirati verso il basso fino all'ID del suolo in alta mineralizzazione o altre anomalie del terreno come macchie di mineralizzazione concentrate, ferriti e altre rocce calde. ‎

‎Se leggi 00, POTRESTI avere un bersaglio profondo debole e in media inferiore o una di queste anomalie del terreno. Le probabilità sono alte che si tratti di un'anomalia del terreno. ‎

‎Poiché il rilevatore non è in grado di differenziare un'anomalia di terra da un bersaglio legittimo, se si intaglia 00, allora sì, si escluderà l'audio di un bersaglio 00 (si vedrà ancora 00 visualizzato come tacca sopprime solo l'audio) e c'è una piccola possibilità che si possa passare sopra un bersaglio legittimo profondo. Ma a meno che tu non abbia intenzione di scavare ogni bersaglio 00, non lo sapresti con certezza‎. 

‎Sulla base del numero di colpi 00 che di solito incontro nel programma Relic, specialmente nel terreno mineralizzato, non potrei assolutamente scavarli tutti e semplicemente scavare un dato 00 a caso. Ogni 00 in Relic si comporta fondamentalmente allo stesso modo e poiché non c'è davvero altro modo per interrogare un bersaglio 00 per differenziare uno 00 da un altro 00 (la maggior parte ogni 00 in Relic è silenziosa in un programma di "discriminazione" come Deep HC (cioè qualsiasi programma diverso da Goldfield o Relic)) Preferirei semplicemente tagliare 00 e finirlo. Dando così una pausa alle mie orecchie. ‎

‎Di solito corro anche con (Iron Audo Reject (IAR) a 5 in Relic. IAR non silenzia 00 o ID ferrosi superiori a 00. ecco perché la tacca 00 è fantastica. Con IAR impegnato, ottengo ancora un volume "di ferro" per gli obiettivi che identificano sopra 0 e meno di circa 10. Stranamente, anche con IAR, 00 hit suonano ancora con audio non ferroso in Relic (e presumibilmente anche in Gold Field). Perché IAR non fa suonare l'audio 00 come audio di ferro come gli altri ID ferrosi SOPRA 00 è strano, ma la tacca 00 se ne occupa quindi non mi interessa davvero e posso ignorare quella stranezza. ‎

‎ HTH ·‎

perfect all clear
but at this point I think that using the notch 00 you have a program speaking of performance similar to the deep hc
the deep targets that could escape deep hc are excluded from the notch 00 on the goldfield and relic programs or even using the notch 00 these two programs are still deeper than deep hc?

[Chase Goldman]

9 minutes ago, raziel900 said:

perfect all clear ... but at this point I think that using the notch 00 you have a program speaking of performance similar to the deep hc ... the deep targets that could escape deep hc are excluded from the notch 00 on the goldfield and relic programs. . or even using the notch 00 these two programs are still deeper than deep hc?

I think that Relic is generally deeper than Deep HC except on the deepest high conductors where Deep HC has the edge due to it's lower top end frequency vs. Relic (14 vs. 24 khz).  Relic and Deep HC are generally deeper than Gold Field except for small mid-cobductive targets.  Mono frequency at 45khz has the best micro target sensitivity of any D2 program but the max detection depth is less than 2 inches on pinhead-sized targets.

[raziel900]

3 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

‎Penso che Relic sia generalmente più profondo di Deep HC tranne che sui conduttori alti più profondi in cui Deep HC ha il vantaggio a causa della sua frequenza di fascia alta inferiore rispetto a Relic (14 vs 24 khz). Relic e Deep HC sono generalmente più profondi di Gold Field ad eccezione di piccoli bersagli medio-cobduttivi. La frequenza mono a 45 khz ha la migliore sensibilità del micro bersaglio di qualsiasi programma D2, ma la profondità massima di rilevamento è inferiore a 2 pollici su bersagli delle dimensioni di una capocchia di spillo.‎

relic and goldfield are all metal programs without filters in theory they should be deeper than any other deus 2 stock program ... on many youtube videos goldfield despite using high frequencies is the deepest program for each type of target, I am attaching a video where demonstrates the power of goldfield

 

 

 

[Guest Dug]

Depth vs filtration: depth and filtration; or willingness to dig targets with no filtration (if that exists at this point) are all great points of discussion, but the detecting scenario dictates or limits any of the above other than the willingness of the user to dig.  This depth thing got way out of hand a while ago. The D2 is becoming a separation beast, which is what a VLF is meant to be. 

[Chase Goldman]

10 hours ago, raziel900 said:

relic and goldfield are all metal programs without filters in theory they should be deeper than any other deus 2 stock program ... on many youtube videos goldfield despite using high frequencies is the deepest program for each type of target, I am attaching a video where demonstrates the power of goldfield

 

 

 

Thanks for that link, but from what I can tell they are using a UK bronze half-penny which is like a US zincoln cent, I suppose, in terms of conductivity.  That is. neither a mid nor a high conductive target (about 3/4 on 4 point conductivity scale or about a 75 on a 99 point scale).  You can't draw absolute conclusions from a single target type, so who's to say whether Relic, GF, or Deep HC might hit harder on higher conductive or even lower conductive targets than what was used in the video. 

As a long time Deus user and instructor, I am well aware of the power of Gold Field and its minimal filtering.  It is still a processed signal, however (especially in FMF), with IAR, notch, iron audio, reactivity, and (dynamic) audio response options, so not true all metal.  Relic is simply using a slightly different (lower weighted) FMF profile than GF on the D2, that's the only difference, so lower conductivity, smaller profile targets are favored by GF vs. higher conductivity, larger profile targets by Relic, as a general rule, hence the "Relic" designation. 

But remember, on Deus 1 GF is switchable single frequency and can be used anywhere from 4 to 80 khz depending on the Deus 1 coil that is used.  IMO, XP needs to explore providing a selectable single frequency variant of GF/Relic on the D2 as a future update, similar to the D2 Deus Mono Program 7 for the "Discrimination" modes, to give GF/Relic some additional capability for specific target groups such as sub gram gold and high conductors.  For smaller target sensitivity and tight spots, a 5x10 coil would also be a welcome addition.

In my experience, Relic gives me sufficient depth for general searching (especially in hot, mineralized ground) and Deep HC (or Sensitive/General/Mono) in Pitch and Full Tones gives me additional interrogation information to perhaps better characterize the target from the audio nuances in that modes tone options (which are not available in GF and Relic) after I have acquired it in Relic.  I will certainly look closer at GF, but I think Relic still provides a better Middle of the Road option vs. GF and Deep HC in pitch to hit with sufficient depth and separation on a broader spectrum of targets that best suits my hunting objectives.  In fact, since I am usually dealing with iron patches that are the telltale remnants of human habitation, I am more concerned with target separation and TID accuracy than raw depth. FWIW.

[Shelton]

Very good topic thank you mates!

I tested Relic on an old Neolithic settlement through the Early and Late Middle Ages. Mass of iron, coke. Almost zero modern pollution. Notch set from 0 to 6 ensures great comfort of work. Even at a value of 0, it's too hard. IAR Discrimination set to 3 to avoid masking low gold coin type conductors. The setting really works. Reactivity 1.5

[slyworld]

On 5/22/2022 at 3:34 PM, Chase Goldman said:

Since the detector can't differentiate a ground anomaly from a legit target, if you notch 00 then yes, you will exclude the audio of a 00 target (you will still see 00 displayed as notch only suppresses audio)

When you notch an ID, you will not hear it, yes but you will not see it anymore too ! the only clue that there is a silent target under your coil is the horseshoe or the XY that display the target signal.

 

On 5/23/2022 at 3:31 AM, Chase Goldman said:

But remember, on Deus 1 GF is switchable single frequency and can be used anywhere from 4 to 80 khz depending on the Deus 1 coil that is used.  IMO, XP needs to explore providing a selectable single frequency variant of GF/Relic on the D2 as a future update, similar to the D2 Deus Mono Program 7 for the "Discrimination" modes, to give GF/Relic some additional capability for specific target groups such as sub gram gold and high conductors.  For smaller target sensitivity and tight spots, a 5x10 coil would also be a welcome addition.

If you want to have a single frequency GF program on the D2, you can try to set the prog 7 with a -6.4 discri and the Pitch setting, of course, you'll not have the IAR discri but you can use the ID display to help you choose if you want to dig or not ?

Sly

[Chase Goldman]

15 hours ago, slyworld said:

When you notch an ID, you will not hear it, yes but you will not see it anymore too ! the only clue that there is a silent target under your coil is the horseshoe or the XY that display the target signal.

 

If you want to have a single frequency GF program on the D2, you can try to set the prog 7 with a -6.4 discri and the Pitch setting, of course, you'll not have the IAR discri but you can use the ID display to help you choose if you want to dig or not ?

Sly

Thanks, that's a passable workaround, but the processing and sensitivity in the disc modes even at -6.4 disc is still not the same as Goldfield (you can see that when comparing that setup with Gold Field in the Deus 1 on micro mid conductive targets).  Also, beside the loss of the "two tone" ferrous/non-ferrous audio you get with IAR, you also lose the Gold Field/ Relic threshold functionality doing it that way.  Mono Gold Field should eventually be provided.

[slyworld]

22 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Thanks, that's a passable workaround, but the processing and sensitivity in the disc modes even at -6.4 disc is still not the same as Goldfield (you can see that when comparing that setup with Gold Field in the Deus 1 on micro mid conductive targets).  Also, beside the loss of the "two tone" ferrous/non-ferrous audio you get with IAR, you also lose the Gold Field/ Relic threshold functionality doing it that way.  Mono Gold Field should eventually be provided.

When you select Pitch, you have the threshold available in any program ?