Minelab vs Nokta

[phrunt]

XP manufacturing appears highly automated, expensive equipment to get up and running, and fantastic quality control, their factory tour in this video is very interesting, there doesn't look to be a high need for a lot of employees involved.

Good on XP for keeping manufacturing local, like Garrett, it would eat into their profits a bit from following Minelab's lead and getting Malaysian manufacturing, that comes with its own problems with product quality which we've all seen a fair bit of over the past few years with the products made there for Minelab, if it's design problems or manufacturing problems we'll never know, although I tend to think more design problems than manufacturing is a big part of their issues.

For example, my thoughts are on some of the known issues:

Coil ear issues = design
GPX 6000 EMI problem = design
GPX 6000 Coil Failures = design and quality of manufacturing
Equinox Leaking = design
Shafts Twisting = design

Then the generic problems like screens failing, batteries failing, buttons failing etc often are within the normal percentage of product failures any manufacturer can expect.

Nokta has had minimal problems with quality, just a bad selection of speakers at the start on the Legend really, other than that nothing significant.  

[JCR]

6 hours ago, midalake said:

Nokta, has much to learn yet. 

I have been impressed by, not only the initial quality of Nokta’s product line,(Anfibio Multi was my introduction to them), the Legend as originally released, but the evolution  of their products. More than any other detector company they have shown not only the ability to improve, but the willingness. Often based on user feedback. This was almost unheard of before. Now it is getting more and more common from other makers. That in itself is a game changer. And you have price/value point on top of that. Another game changer.

As far as performance, Nokta has evolved the Legend to a very high end  The latest V 1.15 update is another significant step forward. The improvement in performance working in mineralized soil is impressive. This is not due to copy cat tactics. They can think and do outside the box. Understanding all of this is why I am really looking forward to their PI introduction.

So yes, I agree, and hope Nokta has much still to learn. But I think they will also teach. Teach us with better detectors, and teach other makers with a better way of doing business. I have the same hope for Rutus, Algoforce & Quest, even Garrett may step into the passing lane. Interesting times.

[palzynski]

21 minutes ago, JCR said:

I have been impressed by, not only the initial quality of Nokta’s product line,(Anfibio Multi was my introduction to them), the Legend as originally released, but the evolution  of their products.

Still 2 things to be improved to my opinion :

- A new 9' round coil for all their coin/relic detectors.
   At the moment there is nothing between the big 11 and the small elliptical

-  Lighter and thinner CBs ( control box ) 
   for example the FindX CB weighs 320g . Lightening it down to 150g would be a very good thing 

[Past Member]

14 minutes ago, palzynski said:

Still 2 things to be improved to my opinion :

- A new 9' round coil for all their coin/relic detectors.
   At the moment there is nothing between the big 11 and the small elliptical

Hi Palzynski.

Given that the 9.5x6 coil has about the same depth as a 9" round coil, and have better separation / unmasking characteristics, then why do you think a 9" round coil is needed?

[palzynski]

35 minutes ago, Digalicious said:

Hi Palzynski.

Given that the 9.5x6 coil has about the same depth as a 9" round coil, and have better separation / unmasking characteristics, then why do you think a 9" round coil is needed?

Hi digalicious ,

I havent done depth tests with the Nokta the 9.5x6 . 

But I noticed a significant depth loss with all the other small elliptical I have tested vs a 9" or equivalent 9. 
For example the Vanquish 8X6 vs the 10X8 , or the XP goldmax 10X5 vs the 9. At each time a depth loss. 

This is the reason why I think it should be the same for a 9.5X6 nokta vs a potential Nokta round 9

[JCR]

Yes, a 9"/23cm Round coil would be an ideal addition. I still prefer the 11"/28cm LG 28 Round coil over the LG30 Elliptical. The LG 28 separates as well for all practical purposes & is deeper though a bit heavier.  I still would like to see some SMF Concentric coils, especially a small 6"/15cm Round one.

[Past Member]

11 minutes ago, palzynski said:

Hi digalicious ,

I havent done depth tests with the Nokta the 9.5x6 . 

But I noticed a significant depth loss with all the other small elliptical I have tested vs a 9" or equivalent 9. 

In my in ground tests with a silver dime lying flat, the 11" coil on my Legend went about 2" deeper than the 9.5x6 coil. With the dime on edge, there was no notable difference in depth between those coils. The latter is understandable given better sensitivity to small targets with the smaller coil.

I suspect that if I did the same comparison using the 9.5x6 coil and a 9" round coil, then the depth on edged coins would still be the same with each coil, but the 9" round would hit the dime lying flat about 1" deeper. Given that minimal increase in depth (and often no depth gain), coupled with the slightly better separation and unmasking of the 9.5x6, then I'm kind of thinking the 9" round coil be redundant. Yet, I'm constantly questioning whether or not to use my 11" round or 9.5x6! So a 9" round coil would appease that questioning and probably be the coil I never take off of my Legend 😁

 

[skywatcher]

Good day

I like both companies and what they have to offer reglar folks in the 2000$ or less budget that just want to turn on and hunt quick.

Nokta does listen to the crowd. It has some deep single freq detectors like the fors cor relic and anphibio one of my fav..  both machines can still be used today and find deep targets--> gold detectors people still buy the racer and kruzer lines. Legend is a keeper! very good machine deep fast and easy to find enough stuff to pay for itself quick.I would say they are catching up very quick and innovating in some areas others dont go.

On the other hand if you look at the minelab machines i just think they age better. the sovereign gt, excal2 and etrac and ctx gpx 4500 all very old machines still hold up till today anywhere in world.  The improvement of the 700 and 900 will make those detectors very usable until many more years and will find alot of treasure for sure. Its 2024 Nobody is  talking about nokta fors series or impact or racer they are all good machines but forgotten. Nokta comes out with detectors very quick might be good or bad. Their  internal batteries tend to fail thats why i like the idea of  external battery pods i like  their build quality over minelab anyday and support.  Minelab just has a greater fan base and machines that have proven themselves in the field their build quality needs improvement and also listening to what the customer wants they dont care much .A + is *so many upgrades that you can get from 3rd parties for minelabs* but they had many years to fix these issues and just left it to 3rd parties Having said that Nokta competition will put the pressure to solve issues and make better machines . Just look at how prices have dropped for the deus 2 and manticore and legend sweet indeed.

 

[palzynski]

3 hours ago, Digalicious said:

...  I suspect that if I did the same comparison using the 9.5x6 coil and a 9" round coil, then the depth on edged coins would still be the same with each coil, but the 9" round would hit the dime lying flat about 1" deeper. Given that minimal increase in depth (and often no depth gain), coupled with the slightly better separation and unmasking of the 9.5x6, then I'm kind of thinking the 9" round coil be redundant. Yet, I'm constantly questioning whether or not to use my 11" round or 9.5x6! So a 9" round coil would appease that questioning and probably be the coil I never take off of my Legend 😁

 

We ll see in the future . As Nokta tend to follow ML in terms of technology and ML has just a released a 9" coil for the Mcore , we will probably see a 9" coil at Nokta in a few months ... 🙂