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Hi Simon, will the device work with large coils in the future?

Holy Cow what a can of worms we have to deal with.. LOL... Sorry I missed the party again as I was running around one side of NV to the other for the last 5 days and 1500+ miles on my truck. All efforts were to find a Seated Libert Silver and I got Snake Eyes on the Seated. Anyway, I'm back and reading with enthusiasm all the great comments and potential new options. I just wish it was from Minelab? Yes I was stunned back in March when I got the call from one of my Field Staff Experts. He was so pissed and expecting a Minelab RECALL on the lower shafts of the EQ-900 and Manticore. I really don't blame him for thinking so, but I know Minelab and they will not do such. This is a great opportunity for Steve's Rods or Doc. So before I go much farther and make it seem so unthinkable of what Minelab did to us, I want to share some insight. 1st off. In my experience, the majority of people using a carbon fiber rod will not even realize it's metal. Heck, I've had a Manticore for over a year and never realized it. But I did notice something was not right when Prospecting for Gold. Putting detector down, caused signals and chatter, detecting steep incline caused chatter, and hunting tailing piles was the worst. Manticore is the most bump sensitive detector I have ever used. It's so bad, I kept changing coils thinking I had bad coils. Back in the day, when a coil went bad, one of the issues was bump test and if it responded, then it was bad. I feel the majority of people who own an Equinox 900 and or Manticore, will not need to worry as much about the CF lower rods as us Prospectors and that's exactly why I think Minelab will not even raise an eyebrow. As for Minelab and Tom D testing the CF rods and not seeing ANY ISSUES. You folks believing that, go right ahead as I know much better. In fact, if you folks believe it, then you have no issues to deal with and go on your merry way. You see, I've been with Minelab for 25+ years, heck it could be 30 or darn close to it. I have tested many detectors for Minelab and have found issues on a rare occasion. Sometimes they get fixed and others they just roll their eyes at me. Trusting everything about what Minelab says will be truth in my time, has not proven them well. I have been accused of not running detectors properly. I have been told that my detecting style is not normal. I've been told a certain detector, the operator is supposed to use headphones so you don't hear the EMI to make it operate properly (only to have an update later addressing the real issue). I could keep going, but the bottom line is. I've been swinging detectors near 50 yrs and in that time, I've seen change, progress, and technology advances I would have never expected to see when compared to what i had back in the early 1970s. In my opinion, Minelab is the best metal sensing detector manufacturer in the world. They have opened so many doors (including mine) and allowed thousands of detectorists to enjoy the Hunt. But in all their fantastic ideas and wisdoms, they are people and do make an occasional mistake, just like the rest of us. In my experience with Minelab and what's different with them, they'll never admit to it. Steve G and his CF rods, are an absolute great product and I applaud him and all his efforts he's put into such. Please don't be upset with him as he's just been trying to protect his business integrity, the shafts that so many (thousands of customers) are happily using. Not one of you folks ever complained about this issue, so keep swinging and having fun, it's all good. Sorry folks I ran out of Likes today, so I have yet to read all the comments. Steve G or Doc, please provide this old rough Nugget Prospector a real shaft that does not respond to my EQ-900 and Manticore detector. I'll add some more later.

Any Updates on Chuck and the Stealth Scoop? We are into June and I am in the market for a new Scoop. I have a stealth but I left it in Colombia and need one here for the US. thanks,

Garrett puts out a more affordable option on the Axiom. Nokta announces 2 new pulse inductions are in the works and not far off. @Steve Herschbach announces that the steps to bring the algoforce to the states are being addressed as we speak. I'm honestly glad I don't have the funds right now to grab a new PI. By the time I can justify it, I will probably have a couple more choices to get what's best for me. It's a good time to be in this hobby.

Those clams are good and it's nice to find them yourself. I was so glad to see the ring in the scoop. I was into the hunt 2 hours and 45 minutes when it appeared. But then the boaters were showing up, so it got me zigzagging around them so I wouldn't get chopped up by a propeller. Then the fishing lines came out, and the kids and it was my time to git!

Thanks! You are correct. The gold rang up around 38. The bottle caps I dug were pretty much a sure thing, but I wanted to get them out of the way in case something else was there. Also its been a pretty high tide so it's keeping me from getting into deeper water.

Hogs for lunch yummmm 🤗 The anything good pile is almost as big as the caps and tabs one and that hefty ring sure made it all worth the effort , oh ayuh ! 🥸

I would imagine a boating sandbar would have nearly 95% pull tabs and caps due to the activity that usually takes place there. 😄 Let me guess- the gold DID NOT ring up in pull tab range. I have yet to find gold 29-31, maybe because I quit digging them all! You worked for that one, congrats.

Even when Alex is flat out busy, he has time to answer questions in a detailed way, he's a true pleasure to deal with. I find it fantastic his business has the personal touch; you can contact them and speak directly to an engineer behind the detector. It's such a light detector and very easy to understand and use. Once it reaches the US I think it will be a hit, dealers will be able to sell a PI to customers for similar pricing to a higher end VLF and bring an entire new market of customers into PI prospecting. The detector also has a lot of potential outside of prospecting, more so than many other PI detectors on the market with its Target ID's, insane ability to handle EMI even with a mono coil and it's pinpointing is a real neat feature for those not wanting to dig a crater to recover a coin like you'd normally need to do with a PI and mono coil. He's very responsive to feature requests, if it's possible, he's onto it with a firmware update. It's an enjoyable detector to use and I'm looking forward to future updates as it evolves. I'm very glad I bought my Algoforce, money well spent.

As has been said it is being looked at.

I also am still experiencing seemingly random but less frequent 15 to 30 second delays after trying to navigate from one part of the site to another. Getting onto the site initially is way faster than it has been in months. So overall, a big improvement Thanks for all of your work to provide this awesome site for so many of us.

Thank you Steve H. for the positive update, your testing work and the advice you have given to the company so that the AlgoForce E1500 will be coming to North America. I look forward to owning one. Thanks also to Simon (phrunt) and Nenad for all of the work they have done and of course to Alex and his team. I definitely do not need a soft case. Just put it in the appropriate cardboard box with no extra graphics, etc and I will be happy.

What is the server load at when you experience these delays? I’m sure IPB has a way to display it either in the Admin CP or in the footer. Most forums do. Checking that yourself could at least confirm or rule out high server load.

Makes sense...and what beautiful scenery! Steve

I'd like to give a little context as to why I am perhaps bothered by it more than many especially the coin and jewellery park and beach type hunters, with small gold hunting you really need to keep your coil close to the ground, basically scrubbing the ground, you have a depth on most of the smaller gold of under an inch, usually less and with the ground being humps and bumps you're needing the coil to be able to move in relation to the shaft. You're pushing it in under rocks in any gap you can find, the gold left is the harder stuff to get so you're pushing up in under bushes and just anywhere it's hard to get a coil so you really need that coil movement on the shaft. Some examples of terrain It's no flat park land 🙂 So just being able to move that coil around on the shaft is a pretty vital thing, and it's a feature of every detector, even the cheapest that you're able to do so with the bolt and rubbers. But when you get false signals when the coil moves in relation to the shaft it can throw you off, make you miss targets, and in terrain like this it's constantly moving on the shaft, it just has to.

Went to a small sandbar beach where boats anchor up to enjoy the surroundings. The tally for 4 hours was 42 pull tabs, 24 coins, a little silver star and 1 gold ring. Anxious to get back and finish cleaning it up. Managed to bring a little snack home too! 😁 Was using the new M9 coil on the Manticore.

As some may know now I have had an E1500 for some time. The main goal was to test for EMI issues with our power grid, which is not only different than the one in Australia but that also "leaks" a lot more than it should. The good news is that I am finding the E1500 to be in the upper tier of Pi detectors as far as stability and EMI resistance. It is perfectly useable here in urban scenarios where many other PI detectors would fail. I have been in contact with Alex offering some business based advice on how to get the detector into the U.S. market at the best price possible. A big part of that was focusing on reducing the size of the shipping box to allow for affordable master pack shipping to the states. It might mean ditching the included soft case but I am sure people will be fine with that if it means keeping the price as affordable as possible. Long story short all the steps needed to bring the AlgoForce to the U.S. have been looked at and are in progress. However, it is a matter of months away at the least, and since delays can happen for a multitude of reasons please do not set your watch according to this post or get grumpy if things do not go as fast as you imagine they should. They are going as fast as they can and that's the best Alex and company can do. The takeaway here should simply be that it is now confirmed as 100% being part of the plan as soon as it can happen. I want to close by saying that Alex is the biggest breath of fresh air I have experienced in the industry in a long time. He is incredibly responsive to feedback and suggestions, as shown by the several updates to occur already. The detector itself is a blast with several innovative design features never seen in a detector of this type before. Something as simple as the visual display of the current threshold level versus the live ground/target response is incredibly helpful in fine-tuning the detector. And those coils options!! The detector and the company itself are a true pleasure to work with, and I want to thank Alex for finally being the one to put my Under 4 Pound, Under $2000 GBPI Challenge to rest after seven years. I never thought it would take this long, but folks, we have a winner! My thoughts on AlgoForce E1500 vs The Rest I sent the detector to Andy Benson (abenson on the forum) to use for his impressions. His video below. The detector is now enroute to Gerry McMullen (Gerry in Idaho on the forum) for further testing and we should be hearing from him soon. I expect he will be getting it in the mail tomorrow.

Phrunt, That's interesting that they've done such a good job responding to you. Hopefully, you get a good answer to your questions that satisfies. Steve

Thanks Steve, I explained it well, and they have been very good with prior times I've contacted them about things, I hounded them quite badly about the Manticores lack of small gold sensitivity in comparison to the Equinox on the first firmware, and they fixed that up and then some on the update, I find their technical department very good, especially when in contact with Australia directly.

Phrunt, If you have described the issue CLEARLY, then hopefully you get a good answer. But, I fear that unless you were very specific, you'll get a generic "carbon tubes are not a problem and don't affect the function of the machine" answer. And if so, it would seem clear to me that what they would be answering, is the question of "does a carbon lower rod negatively affect depth capability or separation capability." SO, their answer would be correct, for THAT question. But, again, for the gold hunters here, that's not the question/issue. Steve

Thanks Steve, I've contacted Minelab directly to see what they say about this, their response will be interesting.

Phrunt -- To build on my prior post, and address it specifically to your post, that I quoted above... The "science" does say "the problem" doesn't exist. BUT ONLY IF we specifically define what problem it is, specifically, that science says doesn't exist. Does "the science" say that problem that Bill showed in his video doesn't exist? NO. Not at all. Does "the science" say that the problem you describe, where, if running your coil loose, on purpose, allowing it to move readily, that there will be "chatter" induced (while the coil is in motion relative to the shaft)? NO. Of course not. I can only speak for myself, but when I've said in this thread that the "engineers/physicists/experiments/science" have "shown" that there is "no effect," what that very specifically means is that the presence of the conductive carbon tube lying still (not in motion, as is usually the case) within the electromagnetic footprint of the coil, WILL NOT disturb the electromagnetic field produced by the coil, in any appreciable way, and thus, the coil is not reduced in its ability to detect a coin or ring or relic in the ground. THAT -- and only that -- is what "the science" says is "not a problem." And of course, for a coin/jewelry/relic hunter -- we all know that that is the main concern, i.e. is the depth capability, or separation capability, of my machine/coil, being negatively impacted such that I may miss a target? THIS is what having a carbon shaft does not affect, and this has been my argument about carbon shafts not being "a problem." BUT, that says nothing about the specific nuances that the gold detectorists are struggling with... Hence, why I'm working on that design for a non-conductive "gold-prospector-specific" Manticore/EQX 700/900 lower rod... Steve

It's more of a problem for people that use the feature the detector has the bolt and rubbers for, to move the coil around on the shaft to different angles to take advantage of being able to push your coil into crevice's, rocky outcrops and in and around bushes, you know, typical gold prospecting. The number of comments on my video saying it's no problem as the coil stays still in relation to the shaft just makes me cringe, these people may as well superglue their coil to the shaft as they seem to think it never needs to move, forget about rubber washers and a bolt, just glue that sucker on, that's how they're thinking. For me it's the complete opposite, I have mine reasonably loose so it's easy to move around in relation to the shaft to handle the terrain I tackle and every single time my coil moves in relation to my shaft the damn thing screams. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand and why "science" says the problem doesn't exist. Pseudo-science perhaps. It's so easy to replicate I think my dog could do it, so to say it's not a problem it's just odd. I'm really looking forward to Steveg's solution and he's hard at work trying to figure out the best path to take, which is very appreciated.

I posted this at the same time Steve posted his prior message, and so I'm editing to say -- in his post, he alluded to some of what I'm saying, below... Bottom line, I think there is a disconnect occurring in this discussion, between the gold prospectors who are experiencing a very specific -- but real -- negative effect, as has been shown in Bill's video, and the coin/relic/jewelry hunters who are specifically talking about the lack of any negative effects regarding detecting of in-ground targets that they seek. From my view, BOTH are true, but the fact that there are two entirely separate/different arguments being made is getting lost a bit. In other words, the "coin hunters" are saying "there is no effect," and what they mean is "no negative effect on detector performance for detecting the in-ground targets that I hunt for." Which, I think is a very true statement. BUT -- the gold hunters who ARE experiencing an issue, are then reading these "there is no effect" statements from the "coin hunters," and are hearing/interpreting it as "you gold hunters are full of it, and don't know what you are talking about because there IS NO effect" -- and so the argument continues. I think it might help to see that two entirely different things are being argued, and both sides are perhaps not understanding this clearly enough. To the gold hunters -- I hear you. I get your issues. I'll have a fix for you soon. To the coin/jewelry/relic hunters -- All of this is a non-issue for us. Carbon tubes -- based on all available evidence -- do not in any way negatively affect detector performance (detection depth, separation capability, etc.) on the in-ground targets that we are hunting for. Steve