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All I can tell you is what I have used for 3 or 4 years on multiple detectors with 1/4 headphone jacks, these are reliable, small, fast enough, and cheap. I just mount them with Velcro so I can remove them for multiple detectors and for separate charging, they also have long battery life, I do not recall ever running out of battery in a long day. They pair it seems with any Bluetooth headset you want, just be sure they too are low latency. SIDE NOTE -- I do not know if they are the same today as about 4-5 years ago, BUT, I went through two QUEST UNITS, Bad Ports, in just over a year, so at about $160 each VS $30 for reliable units, obviously I now stay away from Quest. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4W40VC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/VCE-2-Pack-6-35mm-Female-Adapter/dp/B01EJ5UV3C/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2PJYQVK08RFR7&keywords=1%2F4+to+1%2F8+audio+cable+adapter&qid=1682571537&sprefix=1%2F4+to+1%2F8%2Caps%2C197&sr=8-3

I believe that the Nox 800 is Bluetooth 4.2. They say Bluetooth 5.0 is backwards compatible, But I suspect this is not 100%. I say this because the 800 has paired to everything I have tried, Except to a Ring Brand Mu6 Bluetooth next to ear headset that I love, that is 5.0. But the Ring Mu6 pairs with Bluetooth 4+ plug in Transmitter/Receivers. Most often I find the 800 and headsets have to be started, then 800 powered down, then quickly restarted to pair to any Bluetooth, SO make sure you try that, most Bluetooth will pair doing that. Conclusion, the nox 800 has a problem with its Bluetooth that makes pairing a little funky, but generally works.

Seems Reasonable to Me. Boy I wish I had more free time, I would travel and nugget hunt. Take Care.

To be Clear, what I said applies to the Nox 800, and in either of it's Gold Modes, and in typical gold areas, and semi to very hot ground, with smaller targets. It sounds like Steve and I do use Notching, BUT only if needed because of extreme ground causing near undetectable conditions giving typically -7, -8, and -9 readings so often without notching them out that ground is just impractical to hunt. BUT, any notching will cause clipping of multiple signals in such ground and that also can reduce sensitivity, especially to small targets. Notching can be similar to old fashioned discrimination, But, usually is more specific than old analog Iron / Non Iron discrimination, and can be used to discriminate either ferrous or non ferrous targets, due to Processing of the signal by modern electronics. Example, For instance if you come across mass pull tabs typically #13, that number ONLY can be eliminated. (FYI, nickels often are also a 13). ALL of the potential loss of sensitivity and depth applies less to bigger targets in good ground, simply because the signal is cleaner, Stronger, and Easier for the processor to positively I.D at all depths.

I use these on every detector that does not have Bluetooth built in, they generally will go all day on a charge. some seem to come with a nice short cord, some a longer one, hard to tell when you order them. They have an 1/8th inch male plug, so if the detector you are using it on has that standard old style 1/4in socket you will need an adapter, I usually get a 90deg one so it does not stick out. I also put Velcro on it and on the detector, Works Perfect and is then an easy on off. Never had one fail, Unlike some name brand stuff.

Just remember, the magnetic field coming from the coil tapers the farther from the coil, so any deeper targets near the tip of that tapered end of the field is going to react during MUCH less of the coil travel than a surface target that will react the full width of the swing over the target. Therefore the detector has less time to react before the coil is no longer over the small end of that field, so any extra processing time like from notching out target numbers can Potentially cut into that time. It is just very demanding of the detector to try and ignore the ground, detect shallow targets, and also detect deep targets while also trying to ignore specific targets. This is one of the big reasons I prefer no discrimination if I can avoid it, that said if there are small hot rocks everywhere close together it may be completely impractical to do that. But normally I do not use discrimination. or limit it to one or two notches, BUT I discriminate with my eyes on the display, and my ears.

These are small, light, fast, and only about $32 U.S on Amazon, they pair with most any Bluetooth headphones or any ear pieces, or any headset fast enough. Just plug it into the headphone jack on any detector, and chose any low latency headset you want. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4W40VC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

This is not a Theory, I have repeatedly tested the sensitivity and dept in Gold 2 Mode in the bad ground of gold baring areas. Maximum Sensitivity and depth is with No Discrimination and running as hot as you can, at these settings it acts almost like an analog detector but with target I.D readout. The more numbers notched out the more time the detector is processing that signal instead of just reporting the signal, and so if that is a small target in ground it is fighting to find it in that extra processing can take away from it reacting to that target. I find that if most hot ground and hot rocks read -7, -8 or-9, -8 and -9 most common, if needed I can notch out one or both of them with little loss, the more numbers notched out the more it effects both depth and sensitivity. NOTE -- If you are hunting big targets like coins in good or modest ground you may not notice it, But try a small target at near max detection depth in other modes, then try the gold modes, in most cases you will gain depth.

Be Aware, In Gold Mode in typical gold country, a 1 or 2 or bouncing between them is Very Common, and it often will be small gold or lead. BUT, a solid 1 is much more likely to be aluminum foil, a solid 2 is not often foil, and may be gold, a 1-2 that becomes a 2 or higher as you dig closer may also be gold, But keep all iron discrimination off, and if Negative numbers consistently pop up with Positive Numbers, it becomes more likely that iron is fooling the detector. AND, Just Slightly larger gold will often readout what I call - a Perfect 10.! Side Note -- Discrimination does lower overall sensitivity, the more you eliminate the more it effects general sensitivity, Especially in Gold Modes that will often give you Maximum sensitivity and depth in most soils, but may be too unstable for salt beaches. SO, YES, readings of 1 or 2 can be good.!

In most soil I think you will find that the sensitivity setting will affect your detection depth more than the recovery speed. A slower recovery speed gives you and the detector more time to detect and hear the target, so has a little effect on the depth. But a higher recovery speed is much better for separating close together targets, it can also help with detecting small targets in bad ground, this is why with the Nox 800 Gold Mode default recovery is pretty high at 6.

I do miss the constant magnetic sand readout of my Whites Goldmaster, I got really good at reading that and the probability of iron constant readout, with both you could get a very good idea if the probability of iron was accurate. I found a .9 ONCE nugget in solid 5 inches of black sand by doing that.

Yes, it gives a number when you balance it, what it means I am not sure anyone actually knows, but it is good for comparison from balance to balance. If I recall I think the range is 0 - 50, but could be wrong, like I said it is more for comparison, unless you want to manually override the setting, that you can do if you want.

Thanks for the update Carl. Hopefully they get their act together, if not Sell The Fisher part of the company to someone with Passion for the hobby and industry before they kill it. BTW, The Whites TDI is Underrated in some respects - Balance and swing=Sweet, Iron I.D that often is more accurate then my Nox 800 in bad ground.

Now that Garrett has decided they are serious about staying competitive in the game, and Minelab appears to know their offerings are aging and have issues by announcing a new model, and Nokta has upped their game with a Equinox Clone, Where is Fisher.? Cosmetic changes to the Antique Gold Bug, and F75, Really.! ANY Rumors of Modern VLF or Pulse Detectors being tested for even Pre-Production.? Fisher Management -- If you have things in the works SPEAK UP, you can ONLY help yourself by doing so, if you do not, Your Loyal Old Customer Base is going to give up on you.! Let them know you are still a player, if you no longer have management with a passion for the hobby and business, Change Management, before you become the next Legendary Company after Whites to go out of business after losing the passion that made them who they were.!

Steve, I am wondering how the Whites Dual Field coils fit into this mix, it seems similar to the Garrett Pi DD coils, is it possible the new Garrett coils are actually based on the Whits coils.?

For Me it was the first Computerized Non Analog detector I had, and that was a Whites Eagle 2. With Analog the only possible target I.D was the sound, and some were good at giving different sounds for Ferris and Non Ferris, But with Computer Analysis of the wave forms it was now often possible to I.D not only that it was a coin for instance, but now often What Coin.! Now that is revolutionary. And Whites at it's best.

Depends on the depth of target. The Round 6" is better at separating in general, BUT keep in mind that with shallow targets with the 10x5 you can use the edge as basically a pin pointer, and with that edge sensitivity you can detect shallow targets right up against obstacles like rocks. The one and only thing I do not like about the 10x5 is with two or more shallow targets and both narrow coil ends so sensitive at times it will pick up both targets with the edges, making it confusing to find the target if you do not know you have more than one. That said I use the 10x5 90% of the time for getting into tight spaces and more coverage, and using the edge on end to pin point shallow targets is nice, and if that does not work than you know it is a deeper target.

Steve, I think Phrunt is right about Aptx, and some others are pretty fast as well, above 150ms I notice it. if you can get your hands on a pair of those Ring Mu6 headsets and get them to pair with a transmitter I think you can have the best of both worlds, nothing in or over your ears (bad for all ears), they don't fall off, super light and comfortable, they set in front of your ears and don't stick out. Other than compatibility with some systems they are hard for even me As a Born Critic to criticize.

I never said it was a Deal Breaker for Me. The truth is that Nothing would ever improve, if things were never critiqued.!

I have heard nothing about LL Bluetooth being abandoned, I do know regular Bluetooth is getting faster, but not as fast as I think it needs to be. it would not make sense to abandon LL when Bluetooth is also used for sound with video. Everyone has their own preferences, but when designing for The Masses, it is always best to appeal to the masses, as well as minimize potential warranty claims, especially for something vulnerable like a port that will be used nearly every outing. BTW , The Brand Ring, Now has a Bluetooth headset that is not bone conducting nor over the ears, it actually has mini speakers that shoot sound back towards your ears, Good Sound, Very Comfortable and secure, and nothing in your ears, and is fast enough, Excellent for hot weather and snake country. The only downside is for some reason it will pair with portable transmitters, but not to the Equinox 800 Bluetooth, maybe because it is Bluetooth 5.0 and Nox I think is 4.1. The Ring model I believe is Mu6, Sure beats a loud speaker attracting people. Real world and factory reliability ratings are rarely the same, USB ports are the most or second most common failing parts of cell phones, including USB - C.

When this model was first reveled I said the two things I don't like and are going to be a problem are the use of a USB plug for charging, not because of fumbling to use it, but for Long Term Reliability. And the lack of Bluetooth is a Marketing Mistake, simply because more and more people use headphones and other listening devises they like that are Bluetooth based, and don't want to be locked into a Garrett system, or have to have a Transmitter and adapter to go Bluetooth. They are going to allow third party coils, but not be open to Non Garrett audio.? Really. I wish Garrett all the best, But think these basic mistakes will come back to haunt them.

Out of Respect, for Whites Long History as often the leader in performance in multiple markets and multiple decades, I don't think it is appropriate to Disrespect that history by lumping them in with defunct companies that had far less impact on the industry. Out of Respect they should have their own archive. What I want to know is -- WHY, did Garrett buy the company if they are not going to do anything with them.? I would like to know how much they spent for the company? It is hard to believe they purchased the company just for the 24K. Whites would have been better off if someone else purchased it. I would have preferred it be bought by a group of Enthusiast and maybe Enthusiastic Engineers. Perhaps that could still happen.

Can your confirm that the Axiom does not have Bluetooth, so only Garretts wireless headphones will work.? I assume it has a headphone jack that a Bluetooth transmitter could be plugged into.

Steve, The double balance points are interesting, do you have any more info on that, I cannot think of another detector that has that, or is it really just two available Notches that are automatically selected, either way it seems unique for a pulse machine. Also, with this unique ground balance is it better at handling hot rocks then any other machine you have used, both VLF and Pulse.? I have yet to find a machine of any type that can ignore the very hot small sized rocks 1" or less, but in quantity, and still see a target smaller than 1/4" and deeper than about an inch, in an ares that looks promising for nuggets. In other words if you balance out these particular small iron hot rocks sensitivity and depth goes almost completely. Thank.

After looking at the longest video put out by Garrett on YouTube, I like it, BUT I see two bad design decisions. One just a serious limit with wireless headphones by not also incorporating Bluetooth into it so people have a choice of headphones or other listening devices and not just Garrett without an added USB external transmitter. The second bad decision is use of USB as not just a data port, but for all the charging, history shows USB ports as one of the most common failures on all devises, even not in dirty environments, so this is an almost sure future failure point. They should have gone with a magnetic type charger port similar to that used on the Nox, and a sealed USB Port used only for update and other data.