palzynski Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said: Steve on this pic the Deus is fiited with a big 12inches coil . Did you test the Deus with the smaller 9inches round coil ? I just say this because the Deus is much more often used over here with a 9i round rather than the 12i . The Deus 9coil has a much better iron separation than the 12i coil … And unfortunately there is no 9inches coil available for the Equinox … , just a 6i coil but this it is very small and it is limited to narrow areas , even if it works very well .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chase Goldman Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, palzynski said: Steve on this pic the Deus is fiited with a big 12inches coil . Did you test the Deus with the smaller 9inches round coil ? I just say this because the Deus is much more often used over here with a 9i round rather than the 12i . The Deus 9coil has a much better iron separation than the 12i coil … And unfortunately there is no 9inches coil available for the Equinox … , just a 6i coil but this it is very small and it is limited to narrow areas , even if it works very well .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Herschbach Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, palzynski said: Steve on this pic the Deus is fiited with a big 12inches coil . Did you test the Deus with the smaller 9inches round coil ? I just say this because the Deus is much more often used over here with a 9i round rather than the 12i . The Deus 9coil has a much better iron separation than the 12i coil … And unfortunately there is no 9inches coil available for the Equinox … , just a 6i coil but this it is very small and it is limited to narrow areas , even if it works very well .. I was trying to test apples to apples, same coil sizes as much as was practical. The Deus is a great detector, no doubt about it. I'm not trying to sell anyone on the Equinox, just explaining why it works for me, that's all. If I was to get another Deus/ORX it would be with the 9" HF coil. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palzynski Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Yes Steve I understand better now , you use the Equinox for nugget hunting and beach hunting , in addition to coin/relic hunting. And I am ( and unfortunately ? ) only a coin/relic hunter . Then for example I have never used the beach modes or the gold modes of the Equinox during a whole year of detection with the 800. Actually I bought the Equinox only because of its high depth performances on coins in low/medium iron trashed areas and I was happy with that . Now I have the Vanquish 540 that has almost the same perfos on coins with a simplified list of functions that perfectly suit to me for what I am doing ( coin hunting ) and I am also very happy with it ... So to answer mh9162013 , you must exactly know what you will do with your detector before buying it , searching for nuggets in hot ground is not be the same as searching for coins in mild soil , not the same as beach hunting , not the same as cache hunting and so on … And clearly I agree there are very few detectors that cover such a wide range of detecting activities like the Equinox ... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mh9162013 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 44 minutes ago, palzynski said: So to answer mh9162013 , you must exactly know what you will do with your detector before buying it , searching for nuggets in hot ground is not be the same as searching for coins in mild soil , not the same as beach hunting , not the same as cache hunting and so on … Sure, but the question remains, "why?" Knowing the why is like knowing how to fish. As opposed to every time you're hungry, asking someone to give you some fish to eat. So I can say, "I want to search _________." Then you, Steve or some other expert make a good recommendation. That's great and for some people, that's enough. For me, I want to understand why Widget A was recommended over Widget B, as opposed to just accepting the recommendation and going on my merry way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Herschbach Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, mh9162013 said: So I can say, "I want to search _________." Then you, Steve or some other expert make a good recommendation. That's great and for some people, that's enough. For me, I want to understand why Widget A was recommended over Widget B, as opposed to just accepting the recommendation and going on my merry way. You can start by reading most of the articles here.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palzynski Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I feel like Steve on this question , it is just by experience , thousands of hours detecting , that you learn that such a brand/detector is good for nugget hunting , such an other brand/ detector is more dedicated to coin hunting and so on … It takes a long time to learn all those things … It has been 22 years I have been detecting now and I still learn things while detecting ... So if you are a beginner or less experienced , the best thing to do is to think to what you exactly plan to do with your detector , then discuss of this with experienced people , like in this forum ,and they will help you for finding the machine(s) that you need .. About the "why" question , sometimes even very experienced prospectors do not always know why such detector is better than an othe ron the field . Often only the electronics engineers that have designed the detector electronics and coils have the technical answer on this .... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff McClendon Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Your question "WHY" has been answered repeatedly in this thread. It is up to you to figure out if you want to be a detector or a detector user. I also like to do dowsing. That is why I like metal detecting so much. Dowsing is 99% up to me and 1% up to the functioning dowsing rods or sticks. At least with a metal detector a good deal of the work is done by the metal detector depending on its quality. The rest is up to the person using it. Your F2, just like my Vanquish 440 does a lot of the work and a relative beginner or casual user can have some success pretty quickly if they are using those detectors in a detecting situation that those detectors were made for. My Equinox 600 and my Equinox 800 do even more of the work but not all. In fact those two detectors challenge me to know more and more BECAUSE they are so capable by design of handling so many different detecting situations. You have heard this from me before on this and the other forums where you have asked similar questions. No metal detector I know of will do the majority of the work for you. Follow Steve's and many other peoples suggestion and study, practice and do testing on your own instead of trying to find just the right answer somewhere outside of yourself. There is no secret to this. You have to put in the hours or..............not. Jeff 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chase Goldman Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, mh9162013 said: Sure, but the question remains, "why?" Knowing the why is like knowing how to fish. As opposed to every time you're hungry, asking someone to give you some fish to eat. So I can say, "I want to search _________." Then you, Steve or some other expert make a good recommendation. That's great and for some people, that's enough. For me, I want to understand why Widget A was recommended over Widget B, as opposed to just accepting the recommendation and going on my merry way. Can you articulate better why you are asking. Just because you want to understand why is not necessarily a good enough reason. For example, do you want to know to make you a better detectorist - I think we have established that it is not necessary for that. Do you want to be able to impress your friends and fellow detectorists? Again, probably not a good enough reason for some to take additional precious time out of the day to do that. Do you want to be able to dispense advice to your fellow hobbyists? Just tell 'em to read Steve's guides. Problem solved. It's kind of like a twist on the old Radio Shack commercial tag line - "You've got questions? We've got questions." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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