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Thanks John, kind of what I thought and why I held off on the 20 amp pump at first, I bought 2 smaller 12v utility pumps (8amp) and (12amp) both will develop 7m lift delivering half their rated volume at 15’ I tested my nozzle with an old harbor freight sump pump and the suction was really strong even against several feet of head and a severely kinked discharge hose so I think the utility pumps will work. The 4000gph rule utility pump @ 20 amps 9m lift is discontinued only available from 1 source and they only had 3 available and I couldn’t find another 12v pump to match the performance so I bought 1 for $225. With a 90amp hr deep cycle I could get I think 2.5 hrs of suction time at 50% if I’m reading everything right? I’ll post a thread after I get the pumps and test everything out.

Hey John, nice setup and what size pump and pvc tubes are you using? Reason I ask I’ve been playing with a 1200gph bilge pump ok for the small sluice but worthless powering a small 12v suction nozzle so I ordered hmmm... a total of 3 new 12v pumps to try out that should give better head?? first one gets delivered Wednesday, next on Friday and the first pump I ordered s coming from Korea in April. They range from 1000gph with 7m lift to 4000gph 9m lift (2000gph @ 9m) and I’ve been using a 2” syphon and am wondering if I’ll need more. Also the 4000gph pump pulls 20amps at 12v so I’m also not sure if that’ll be any issues other than sucking the battery dry faster?

Last night I tried the first test with the added nozzles all seemed good with the water level between tanks staying even. Just figured out how to upload to YouTube here is the test.

Emmm, french fried taters... zackly, 12v crack cleaner and when I’m done doing that I can look for gold??. There’s a bunch of YouTube examples, I need to fine tune it with smaller diameter tubes along with more pump.

Thanks Chuck, I made the nozzles fron 1/2” and 3/8” copper tubing, first I tried just drilling holes in the 1/2” copper, but the water came out from the direction of travel at a 45* and out the back where I cut a hole to clear the rocks. I used a tube cutter and cut short pieces of 3/8 then used a dremmel barrel sanding bit that put a curve in the back side of the nozzle, the little pieces holding things in place for soldering are pyrometric cone tips. To seal the back from water leaks I smeared a bit of olive oil as a mold release on the aluminum sluice flair, then attached the hopper with screws and injected hot melt glue into the voids. I’m also working on a little jet suction nozzle that used the same pump from the high banker, but while it lifts water the flow with the 1200 gph pump isn’t enough. I may add a second matching pump in series for higher pressure or try a 2700 gph instead. following designs online I used a fuel funnel for the flair jet and slightly more than a 4 to 1 ratio on the jet orifice.

So I finally got around to ordering a bilge pump and gathering up spare parts at home along with a couple trips to Home Depot to assemble my little recirculating high banker project. The pump I ordered is a 1200 gph 12v Atwood tsunami submersible bilge pump that seems to deliver adequate water to operate my setup although I have not had a chance to run any dirt yet. The hopper is made from a plastic desk top office bin outfitted with 1/2 copper spray bars that have 26 3/8 outside diameter nozzles to wash dirt through 1/4“ SS mesh. The 3 bins probably hold around 15 gallons of water and with the small container inside the 1st trash bin have 4 separate tanks to separate particles in the water from the pump, hopefully keeping the water reasonably clean. The jump starter battery pack claims to provide 90 amp hours that should give me 15 hours run time with the little pump at 50% discharge on my battery before needing to recharge. . still a tiny bit of tweaking to control any water leaks. the pump and most everything fits inside the trash bins for storage and transportation.

Few things to consider waiting for the storms and foul weather to pass...

I picked up a little Royal stream sluice I’m planning to use with the trash bins and ABS pipe, I still need to order a 12v bilge pump and fashion a little header box for it then add some flexible water line, Everything except the battery for the bilge pump will fit inside the stacked trash bins without taking up to much space in the Jeep.

Chuck, not the sluice itself, but I borrowed this setup for settling tanks I found on a video on the interned. the guy made his system based on an ancient crop irrigation technique. I’m using 3 office trash cans and some black ABS pipe, the 45 bend on the end of the black ABS U shaped pipe keeps the syphon so after filling the tubes you can easily lower them into the water. I’m just filtering waste water into my garden so when running a sluice the pump drops into the 3rd tank instead of the drain like I have it now for the sink in my ceramic studio. link to video: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sluice+recirculating+tanks&&view=detail&mid=B4E10A56C2C3FD049A95B4E10A56C2C3FD049A95&&FORM=VRDGAR

Nice job you did a good deed if everyone was like you we’d live in a better world, thanks for sharing the story.

Steve, the pack you have is top notch and should be in good condition at 5% per month. Another of the many advantages of lithium packs is depth of discharge from what I have been reading as the lithium can safely be taken down to 80% of capacity without any harm to its useful life cycles vs 50% with GEL. Some of the info on power output can be different between GEL and lithium if I understand correctly what I’ve read as the technologies discharge at different rates? The lithium packs 4 x’s Roughly the capacity over GEL at a lower peak output, so may struggle in a situation where very high discharge rates are required for an extended period of time as in the use of a winch, or in the case of big diesel with a dead battery in cold conditions. In most cases lithium is the best choice, depends on individual needs but that’s a nice handy looking battery pack.

Some of the online reviews on the lithium emergency jump starters claim they only bleed as little as 5% to 10% each month storage vs the gel and agm at roughly double the loss of the lithium battery in storage.

My Walmart jump starter bounced around in the back of the Jeep and accidentally turned on the led light and eventually killed the battery down to where it wouldn’t take a charge anymore, so after researching the different options settled on the JNC950 as a replacement. It’s kind of pricy and a tad on the heavy side, but packs enough juice to fire up a commercial diesel truck in freezing conditions and I can use it for the winch, domestic fridge (when I get one) and as a jump starter of course.

If you want to know for certain most pawn shops can xrf it for a few bucks, the shop near me will do it for $5 and give me a print out of the reading.

That one should go to the top of the list!

worst products ever that's got to be quite a list, I wonder how many I've bought over the years hmmm, more importantly how many more to come? worst product ever might be a bit harsh it works if you need something to stick in a back pack and like anything else out there, gold pan, flow pan, pyramid pan or dish pan just another place to put dirt. ill have to look there must be a book or something about every gold pan variation ever made, but there's some odd ideas.

I bought one at a gold show couple years ago when they first came out and it was on a special discount, $20 or less don’t remember how much exactly. I’m always looking for smaller stuff to fit in the limited space in my Jeep and the shape is supposed to be better for dry panning, thought it might come in handy out in the desert. Fits nicely in the back pack with the Deus, pans ok although I actually much prefer using a conventional full size pan it’s easier for me. the gold claw works good while still being a bit smaller so again space for all my junk is key for me.

Chase, thanks. I’ve had my Deus awhile but am still a novice and was wondering how my old gear compared? Great report.

Opps, thought I did... thanks, more spam, lord knows don’t need no more spam, “ain’t nobody got time for that.”?

It’s been some time with no word from xp after the announcement of a deep seeking cache hunting coil, so I asked nicely what’s up and I’m pleasantly surprised they were kind enough to quickly reply. Apparently there is still hope that someday...

Detecting heavy metal.

The claim is for sale, only worked the one time...

Thanks Mitchel I’ll be looking at those links I believe it’s private property east of Montello near the state border, he said he has 75 acres and is planning on grading a little flat camping area with a fire ring of some sort. Sounding like I’m going to check the area out, be fun to spend a night out in some truly remote dark skies probably my first chance will be early next year, might be to cold then the weather will be the main factor on when I can go and look around a little. Seems like the heavy hit areas are north west of this spot I guess the deposits might not have been commercially viable, but something like this could produce a little overlooked placer deposit, or not, only one way to find out.

My friend mentioned a half dozen mines in the area and some surface disturbances that look like placer mining, but they are or must be older small workings that are not well reported because ? Land matters shows only the one claim adjacent to his property and I can clearly see what look like large red tailing piles and some surface disturbance he described so I’d assume that is what I see on google earth. I’m reasonably certain gold was found in the area and if there is running water the creek would be worth exploring with a pan and small sluice when I’ve some time to kill. He says the sky out there is one of the few truly dark sky areas left in the lower 48, be nice exploring the area just enjoying the seclusion if nothing else.

Yep, it’s a lllooonnnggg drive, I’m gonna do some reading before going and check some of them Aeromagnetics??? when I know what that is, sound like something good to know I’ll google this right away? there is a gold mine next/near and I guess some huge red tailings piles too on his land. He’s more the rancher type and not into mining so the gold info is limited. He also has some property up in Alaska he says although it’s a 27 mile plane ride to get into, on that spot there is a 300’ quartz vein that runs down a 1000’ cliff he seems to think has gold although access might be a challenge?????