nordic Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 Very good points, thanks a lot for jumping in. As you said, a lot is based on perception and differences are subtle enough to be influenced by mood alone. There is no general consensus which version does better or worse, but people do rollback or use older versions to suit their tastes or other reason. I'm sure there are people here who are still on either version... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D. Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Chase and Nordic, You both are way ahead of me on the 800! Im still in the crawling and standing stage as far as inland sites! And i value both your opinions and instructions on the Nox! Pinpoint has not been a big issue to me on any of my detectors, because I've alway used a pinpointer! I've found very tiny stuff with the Nox, and i would be looking way too long without it! I'm sure with any detector, one can create a situation where the desired object will not be picked up! But i think those are few and far between! But thanks to you guys, and many of the poster's here, those situations are highlighted and delt with! Here in Florida, I'm more concerned with beach conditions, than coins in a horseshoe? But info like this makes an educated detectorist! Keep up the good posts, and i will continue to be the apprentice! ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nordic Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 In order not to pollute forum, I'll ask here, does anyone use headphones plugged directly into Nox? What are your preference, direct or wireless? As well known, wifi stream, bluetooth operate in GHz area, but mobile phones operate in the upper MHz /GHz bands as well and do effect the coil noise, does it make sense to go direct perhaps? This always puzzled me a little. Phones transmit with a lot more power, but hey, that Nox wifi module is next to the sensitive unshielded circuitry... I also notice direct has somewhat fuller sound, while WM08 module is a little thin and dry using stock iphone ear phones. To experience the latency using WM08, you may try using a pair of ear bud type headphones, one plugged directly and one into WM08 module simultaneously, one earphone into one ear and another into another ear, you may notice a slight doubling, but it is very subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D. Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Nordic, I only used the 800 headphones when there is cooler weather, or the surf and/or wind is loud! Warmer weather, they make my ears sweat which is very uncomfortable! And I've also had pairing/ unpairing issues with them! So i always carry the module and a light foldup pair of wired earphones with me as the primary, and/or backup! Also, as long as my cellphone is in my back pocket, is doesn't interfere with the module! I've found that if i put the module and extra wire in a cellphone arm band; like joggers wear, the wire is out of the way, and does not get hung up like it always does when i have it on a beltloop! Also I'm generally wearing a large sunhat, so regular headphones don't work well! So i use the bottom two! If i am going to be wearing a pack for extended use away from my vehicle, i also bring a charger, and Nox wires with me!( see bottom pic)! And drinks, lunch, and TP, no pics!!?? Here are pics of what i use! ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Herschbach Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Well, I will chime in nordic and say I have to disagree with your overall assessment as regards software development. I have used more Equinox software versions than any of you... all of them since day one of product development. The goal is for each version to be better, not make versions that are a step backwards. Yes, there are trades, but a new version never is issued unless it is felt the pluses outweigh the minuses. The earliest production version missing some silver on edge was a big deal for many people. The software the Equinox was shipped with was not what the engineers thought was the best that could be achieved. It is simply as far as they could get by the time the decision was made to go into production. The whole point of having the update capability is to insure more improvements can be made later as user feedback is collected. I run the latest version of Windows, I run the latest version software in my iMac. This forum is running the latest version. I run the latest updates on my iPhone and iPad, and all of my Equinox are running the latest software update. I kept a couple at older versions to do comparative tests and decided there was no point in sticking with the older versions. I certainly do not think the latest version is making my Equinox less effective, just the opposite. I think the new ferrous settings are a major addition and would not be without them. However, if a person truly feels that for some reason an earlier version is better for them, there is nothing wrong with that either. If your testing has convinced you that for your particular situation you are better off with an older version I am not going to disagree with you there. We all have very specific needs not shared by others.... some people DO prefer an older version of Windows! If you prefer the earlier version of the Equinox software then you have the ability to use it if you prefer. That’s the beauty of the system. Most manufacturers still require you to mail the detector back for an update, and once done, there is no going back. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD0CAC Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Maybe more because of my computers - the isue with going back to older versions , I do get buggered by updates . So like to see that it is possible to roll back , thanks . I also like to dig all targets and learn how to read the tool . At this time [ low income ] I have to make my one detector - NOX 800 , be the best / only detector there is , maybe some day in the future I can own more than one , but for now it was a stretch to buy this one , so far I think I made the right choice , also bought the Garrett AT Pro pin-pointer . Going to be trying salt water beaches for the 1st time this Jan. FL for a few weeks with a friend - he will be on his boat that I will help look after and he will fishing and throwing everything back [ sick puppy ? While I will be on the beach looking for goodies , and later go on the boat to play with the Bermuda triangle . Late , who knows when , I will head back to AZ & CA looking for gold new-gets , use to do dredging in No. Cal. 80-90s . If I find enough , I will get back to owning about half dozen detectors . Thanks all , I can not disagree with any of the above . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nordic Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 Myself working in software/hardware industry, things, unfortunately, are not as simple. This is just my personal opinion only, but a healthy dose of caution and skepticism needs to be applied when replacing/upgrading something that serves one well or one learned to live with it. Forums and general research are invaluable resources for this. Anyway, I did few more tests yesterday at home with 1.5, 1.7.5 and v2 and decided to go with 1.7.5 tomorrow to that field. Will report. I hope to prove myself wrong and all these versions perform same. Most of all I want to see how it reacts to coke and close targets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nordic Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 It actually never occurred to me that my friend with Deus may have been digging coke and found the button with pinpointer as a coincidence! ? He doesn't remember TIDs, and I don't know Deus at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chase Goldman Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 5 hours ago, nordic said: Myself working in software/hardware industry, things, unfortunately, are not as simple. This is just my personal opinion only, but a healthy dose of caution and skepticism needs to be applied when replacing/upgrading something that serves one well or one learned to live with it. Forums and general research are invaluable resources for this. Anyway, I did few more tests yesterday at home with 1.5, 1.7.5 and v2 and decided to go with 1.7.5 tomorrow to that field. Will report. I hope to prove myself wrong and all these versions perform same. Most of all I want to see how it reacts to coke and close targets. Since you ruled out 1.5, did you make that decision to go with 1.75 over 2.0 by thoroughly/exhaustively testing Fe vs. F2 iron bias settings? Otherwise, there should be practically no difference in baseline performance between 1.75 and 2.0 given identical user settings including Fe iron bias. The main performance difference between 1.75 and 2.0 is the F2 bias setting and since 2.0 includes the legacy Fe settings as well as the F2 settings, 1.75 brings practically nothing to the table over 2.0 performance wise and the 1.5 to 1.75 update was the one that changed baseline detector performance with respect to low profile (e.g., edge-on coin) target performance. That is just simple straight forward logic. I suppose one could challenge the assertion whether the “baseline” (i.e., non F2 iron bias) performance is identical between 1.75 and 2.0 but ML’s admittedly vague description of the 2.0 changes doesn’t imply anything beyond the addition of F2 and the backlight enhancement for the 600 and perhaps some low level underlying bug fixes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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