Dilek Addressing Iffy Signal’s Legend Vs. Equinox Video

[Tahts-a-dats-ago]

With some (people) NM is in a damned if they do, and damned if they don't situation. I've seen a number of people state that they won't buy the Legend because it didn't have an iron bias setting, but now that NM is doing an update that will add that feature.....  

Not one person has stated they've had a change in opinion (and will now buy the Legend) but several can't seem to get over the fact that their demand has been granted.

To me the really odd thing in all of this "uproar" is the fact that every metal detector made has parameters (from the engineers) that are not user adjustable. That includes Minelab's general hobby machines. Those parameters were chosen by design - with the intention of providing the optimum performance for a general use machine. Naturally those parameters (chosen) won't be optimum in all situations, but we don't see a bunch of complaints with regards to the algorithms, frequency bias, etc.. chosen by Minelab's engineers. Presumably most users accept the fact that the engineers know more about the subject than the average user does.

To my knowledge Minelab has offered several updates for the Equinox, with the potential being fairly likely that there will be future updates too. Despite that I have yet to read a comment about having to buy the Equinox and hoping Minelab will someday make it better with an update. The same goes with XP and their flagship machines.

I know of a number of machines that are quite good at separating good targets in a bed of iron trash. To my knowledge the only machines that featured an adjustable iron bias setting are a few Minelab models - and it seems that those who are most adamant about an iron bias setting on the Legend are Minelab users. Maybe that's just a coincidence, or maybe it isn't. I do find it a bit amusing that some of the same people who proclaimed the Legend to be a copy of the Equinox, are now demanding an Equinox feature on the Legend.

It does seem as though some Legend naysayers aren't really interested in the Legend itself, or making the Legend a better machine, as much as they are interested in picking the Legend (and Dilek) apart.

The good news is that NM is once again delivering what the people have asked for. That should be commended, not ridiculed and demeaned via questions designed to imply a belief that Dilek/NM is less than honest.

[BobC]

Andy has written many books on different detectors, not sure why he wold not chime in and sat the iron bias should be user adjustable. Regardless of what detector I'm using I think I should be able to set discrimination, iron bias levels. With my nox I change them as to the site I am on, on many targets, Deus included, if I did not dig the trash, the targets would not have been found, just wish I could reject sprinkler heads

[EL NINO77]

I was a little surprised by Andy Sabish's statement ... about the need /not need.... to set the Iron Bias filter ... because it's a very important setting for many detector manufacturers. Whites bottle cap reject,, Minelab- Iron bias, Rutus  -iron masking, XP -silencer-, ... even at Deus -is called silencer ...

We can argue about the advantages or disadvantages of low or high Iron Bias filter settings ...
.- however, there is no doubt that the Iron bias setting has a significant effect on the unmasking of good signals in iron..with low settings ... as well as the elimination of false signals from iron at high iron bias settings ...

 

 

[Steve Herschbach]

Wow, I go visit my mom for a couple days, and this thread blows up. Frankly, I’m embarrassed. I like and respect Dilek, and consider her a friend. I will say that I don’t think addressing certain critics directly is working out very well. Address the reasonable people, ignore the rest. Nor do I like the mentions of other brands in NM marketing info. I’m old fashioned and find that approach unseemly; I prefer companies just tell us about their own products, and not mention the others. This applies to any company that does it, not just NM. But that’s just me, and my feedback on that subject.

That said, anyone that wants to heckle or dog Dilek on this forum can just take a hike. I’ve cleaned the mess up as best I can, and have reopened the thread. What is left better represents what this forum is about. Which is having respect for each other, regardless of views or opinions on detectors.

I must point out that nearly all metal detectors ever produced have no such control as an iron bias control. This includes many of the best metal detectors ever made. The idea it is a necessity flies in the face of that obvious fact. I do very much doubt the vast majority of Equinox users ever adjust the control. Is it a control I prefer to have? Yes. But my preference is just that, as it is for any one of you. So state your preferences, but frankly that only takes a post or two, not endless back and forth, trying to prove your preference is the correct one, and others wrong.

In the end NM did what they normally do and added the feature. Good for them, and proves once again that given the opportunity, Nokta/Makro is the most responsive company in the industry.

I apologize Dilek, for some of what went down on this thread. I’ll always value you, and your presence on the forum. Thank you.

[midalake]

On 2/23/2022 at 9:28 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

Wow, I go visit my mom for a couple days, and this thread blows up

Hope you mom is doing well!!!  Try to call mine, often as possible!