Is Garrett About To Release A New Gold Prospecting Pi?

[schoolofhardNox]

10 minutes ago, jasong said:

Thing is, lots of relic hunters use 5000's. I may be misunderstanding the market, but in my mind there are only really 2 growth (keyword: growth) markets right now for PI's due to the ever decreasing number of nuggets in known goldfields: Real prospecting (exploration), and relics, jewelry, etc.

So the relic/jewelry performance of the Axiom may well determine the course of some future things too more than we expect. Especially if gold doesn't make any moves up. Hard to know, I'm really not in tune with anything except raw prospecting.

If the Axiom is supposed to challenge the GPX 6000, then it may take some sales from it. For relic/beach hunting, it is the opposite of what I want in a pulse machine. On a beach, in my type of target hunting, the 6000 does not cut it. Garrett may have a winner here if, fine gold is all you are looking for. The real surprise would be if it hits larger targets at equal or better depths than the other PI's out there.

 

[phrunt]

4 minutes ago, schoolofhardNox said:

If the Axiom is supposed to challenge the GPX 6000, then it may take some sales from it. For relic/beach hunting, it is the opposite of what I want in a pulse machine. On a beach, in my type of target hunting, the 6000 does not cut it. Garrett may have a winner here if, fine gold is all you are looking for. The real surprise would be if it hits larger targets at equal or better depths than the other PI's out there.

You would probably like the fact it has modes,

FINE Mode
Provides the maximum possible detection on small,
low-conductivity targets (such as fine gold and
specimen gold) while also providing the best detection
of most medium and large targets. Because of its
increased sensitivity to small/fine targets, FINE Mode
can be more susceptible to ground minerals, hot rocks
or saltwater. FINE is typically the preferred mode for
most conditions.

NORMAL Mode
Provides very good detection on all size targets.
NORMAL will be less reactive in highly mineralized soil
but will have reduced detection of very small targets.

LARGE Mode
Maintains strong detection of large targets while
reducing small and medium targets. Most important,
this mode reduces susceptibility to highly mineralized
ground and hot rocks.

SALT Mode
Designed for use in mineralized areas with wet salt
content, primarily for wet saltwater beaches. SALT
Mode may also be useful for dry inland salt lakes and
goldfields with high salt concentration, depending on
moisture content. But it is recommended to first try the
other modes for these inland conditions.

 

[jasong]

9 minutes ago, schoolofhardNox said:

If the Axiom is supposed to challenge the GPX 6000, then it may take some sales from it. For relic/beach hunting, it is the opposite of what I want in a pulse machine. On a beach, in my type of target hunting, the 6000 does not cut it. Garrett may have a winner here if, fine gold is all you are looking for. The real surprise would be if it hits larger targets at equal or better depths than the other PI's out there.

I'll be interested to see what relic hunters and others like jewelry/beach hunters think of it. I honestly have to admit my ignorance here since I'm just 100% obsessed with gold hunting.

But if I were making a competitive PI, I'd definitely be taking relics/jewelry hunters into account, and the 6000 doesn't seem to. So it's going to be interesting to see just how big of a toehold the Axiom can get, it might end up being larger than expected if it has appeal outside the prospecting world.

Exciting times. We still have the Nokta PI machine to look forward too as well. And isn't there still a FT pulse machine being developed? This Axiom seems to set a new bar across the industry by initial specs and first looks. Gotta wonder how many plans are changing in how many different companies now?

[schoolofhardNox]

2 minutes ago, phrunt said:

You would probably like the fact it has modes,

FINE Mode
Provides the maximum possible detection on small,
low-conductivity targets (such as fine gold and
specimen gold) while also providing the best detection
of most medium and large targets. Because of its
increased sensitivity to small/fine targets, FINE Mode
can be more susceptible to ground minerals, hot rocks
or saltwater. FINE is typically the preferred mode for
most conditions.

NORMAL Mode
Provides very good detection on all size targets.
NORMAL will be less reactive in highly mineralized soil
but will have reduced detection of very small targets.

LARGE Mode
Maintains strong detection of large targets while
reducing small and medium targets. Most important,
this mode reduces susceptibility to highly mineralized
ground and hot rocks.

SALT Mode
Designed for use in mineralized areas with wet salt
content, primarily for wet saltwater beaches. SALT
Mode may also be useful for dry inland salt lakes and
goldfields with high salt concentration, depending on
moisture content. But it is recommended to first try the
other modes for these inland conditions.

 

 

Thanks Simon. I would think large targets would probably include a coin sized target ??? That would be a plus for the beach.  Now EMI would be my main concern as every detector has some degree of it. I wold hope it would be decent at handling it. Actual depth would be my second question. If it can't beat the 5000, it is a no go for me. Pricing (I'm guessing) would be around 3k ? I think one of my hunting buddies is a Garrett guy and was looking to replace his ATX. He will probably buy it and maybe I can try it then.

[schoolofhardNox]

6 minutes ago, jasong said:

I'll be interested to see what relic hunters and others like jewelry/beach hunters think of it. I honestly have to admit my ignorance here since I'm just 100% obsessed with gold hunting.

But if I were making a competitive PI, I'd definitely be taking relics/jewelry hunters into account, and the 6000 doesn't seem to. So it's going to be interesting to see just how big of a toehold the Axiom can get, it might end up being larger than expected if it has appeal outside the prospecting world.

Exciting times. We still have the Nokta PI machine to look forward too as well. And isn't there still a FT pulse machine being developed? This Axiom seems to set a new bar across the industry by initial specs and first looks. Gotta wonder how many plans are changing in how many different companies now?

It will be interesting. I would think their main intent would be to challenge the 6000, so it may operate the similar. If the ATX is still in production, then that would still be their deep seeker for relics. So for me, I won't get too excited until it appears on some videos that actually show it responding to a target, and seeing it dig that target without editing. I want to hear and see the target dug. The good thing is that Garrett is not conceding the detecting market to anyone. If we are patient, we may see some great machines come out.

[jasong]

Air swinging over a 0.07 gram sluggy nugget in some medium to hot mineralized looking ground, with a mono. Looking good.

 

[Steve Herschbach]

43 minutes ago, schoolofhardNox said:

If the Axiom is supposed to challenge the GPX 6000, then it may take some sales from it. For relic/beach hunting, it is the opposite of what I want in a pulse machine. On a beach, in my type of target hunting, the 6000 does not cut it. Garrett may have a winner here if, fine gold is all you are looking for. The real surprise would be if it hits larger targets at equal or better depths than the other PI's out there.

Why would you assume it does not perform on large targets? As you say, you may be the one in for a surprise. Between this and a 6000 for beach detecting, I’ll grab the Axiom every time.

[schoolofhardNox]

1 minute ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Why would you assume it does not perform on large targets? You may be the one in for a surprise.

I would love to be surprised ? But for me Garrett has always provided just short of what other brands provide. Back in the old days, Whites Coinmasters did better for me that the master hunter (I think that was the name). Same for their talking detector the CXIII (don't quote me on the accuracy of the model names ?) vs the Eagle Spectrum. So I only dabbled in them occasionally. I would love to see that change for Garrett, but my past experiences don't give me any fuzzy feelings that it will top my current PI. Please surprise me Garrett ?

[Steve Herschbach]

12 minutes ago, schoolofhardNox said:

I would love to be surprised ? But for me Garrett has always provided just short of what other brands provide. Back in the old days, Whites Coinmasters did better for me that the master hunter (I think that was the name). Same for their talking detector the CXIII (don't quote me on the accuracy of the model names ?) vs the Eagle Spectrum. So I only dabbled in them occasionally. I would love to see that change for Garrett, but my past experiences don't give me any fuzzy feelings that it will top my current PI. Please surprise me Garrett ?

Living in the past, are you? Apple darn near went under before Steve Jobs stepped in and turned it back around. Steve Novakavich would very much like that to be his legacy with Garrett. I have spent many hours of face to face time with the man, and trust me, he “gets it.” I’m not really betting on Garrett, so much as their new CEO.

Steve Novakovich, Chief Executive Officer

“Steve Novakovich joined Garrett Metal Detectors in January 2018. Before coming to Garrett, Steve worked as an engineer in the oil and gas industry at Exxon Company USA, and worked in manufacturing operations and as a division controller at Texas Instruments. He has also served as the Director of Finance for Texas Air Composites, an aerospace MRO service provider, and most recently served as President and CEO of Graco Supply Company, an aerospace chemical distributor. 

Steve earned a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering and Economics in 1989 from Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, and a Master's Degree in Mechanical Engineering and Management as a fellow in the Leaders for Manufacturing program at Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge Massachusetts in 1994.”