How Much Would You Pay For VLF Type Discrimination At PI Type Depths?

[Chase Goldman]

8 hours ago, FlyFish said:

The first exciting coil and the first signal coil are placed in a single plane and are partially matched. The value of the matching zone of the first exciting coil and the first signal coil is selected so that there is minimum flow of induction via the first signal coil. The second exciting coil and the second signal coil are placed in a single plane and are partially matched. The value of the matching zone of the second exciting coil and the second signal coil is selected so that there is minimum flow of induction via the second signal coil.

Induction doesn't "flow".   Induction is something that happens to a magnetic or electric field.  Electric current flows,  Magnetic flux, flows.  Force can be induced in a wire through time varying electro magnetic fields in another.  The degree to which that happens is a function of inductive properties in system, but induction does not "flow".

 

[Ridge Runner]

 Why should I be willing to pay more!

i just put 254.15 that will do more than lots of detectors I’ve had in the past. 

This detector company is not in love with me but they do want my business. So if said company comes up with something cross between a VLF and PI so be it . A product not moving is a product not making money. 

You will find that not one company is in business for their health. But they do have move what they make.

 Just look at one detector that first came out a dollar less than ten thousand. Then it took a dip in price and that was done because something sitting dead in the water is not a good thing.

 When anyone starts giving away something free it’s great for us but at the same time it’s to get that product moving.

 I know I’ve used the word move lots but that’s why I’m not willing to pay more.

 Chuck 

[Chase Goldman]

5 hours ago, FlyFish said:

the first quadrature components identification (FQCI), the second FQCI, a microprocessor and an indication unit.

Then should that have more correctly said, "the first First Quadrature Components Identification (FQCI), the second FQCI,..."

[Chase Goldman]

38 minutes ago, Ridge Runner said:

 Why should I be willing to pay more!

i just put 254.15 that will do more than lots of detectors I’ve had in the past. 

This detector company is not in love with me but they do want my business. So if said company comes up with something cross between a VLF and PI so be it . A product not moving is a product not making money. 

You will find that not one company is in business for their health. But they do have move what they make.

 Just look at one detector that first came out a dollar less than ten thousand. Then it took a dip in price and that was done because something sitting dead in the water is not a good thing.

 When anyone starts giving away something free it’s great for us but at the same time it’s to get that product moving.

 I know I’ve used the word move lots but that’s why I’m not willing to pay more.

 Chuck 

Chuck hope you noticed that this thread started in 2017 (i.e., before ML and Nokta started to their recent push to detector value and affordability) and until FlyFish posted the barely comprehensible patent like language above, had been dormant since then.  But you make a good point.  The fact is that no one is really innovating much on the VLF technology itself.  Other than ML's evolution of simultaneous multifrequency detection and processing (and the other features that it enables regarding salt balance, sophisticated Fe discrimination, and ability to efficiently couple with a broader range of metals for a given search profile), no one else is doing much with VLFs other than making them cheaper, lighter, easier to operate, and improving how information is conveyed to the operator.  Performance wise, we are at somewhat of a standstill.  Unless someone makes a true breakthrough with a hybrid between VLF and PI, as Steve described at the top of the thread, there is really no reason to be paying more for a VLF.

[Ridge Runner]

Chase

 It is a old post and I agree we shouldn’t be paying more for a VLF. That’s the reason I put money down for a Simplex not just because I’m cheap but wanted to see if it’s as great as it looks.

 I would appreciate it on how you use the word old . Let’s just say mature.haha

 Chuck 

[Chase Goldman]

2 hours ago, Ridge Runner said:

Chase

 It is a old post and I agree we shouldn’t be paying more for a VLF. That’s the reason I put money down for a Simplex not just because I’m cheap but wanted to see if it’s as great as it looks.

 I would appreciate it on how you use the word old . Let’s just say mature.haha

 Chuck 

I never used the word "old" in my post, I know how sensitive you are.  

[Steve Herschbach]

The Tarsacci MDT-8000 is a probable hybrid, VLF using time domain processing. The same can be said however for most Minelab multifrequency detectors.

[Ridge Runner]

I’m wondering just how many was sold ? Another thing is why the news on this detector went dead like it’s no more.

 You can’t sell something if you don’t let people know what you got and let guys like me think that I can’t live without it.

 I see that some detector companies that’s sitting on their rear and not letting the public know what they have to offer could fall by the wayside.

Nokta/Makro should count their blessings that they have Dilek. It’s just too bad others don’t have her .

 When White’s had Tom he too was another that was a asset to his company .His replacement is Jack I believe and I don’t think he’s been on this forum.

 I know advertising cost but with all the great forums they could keep some of that expense down.

 The three fastest communication is telephone telegraph and tell a woman. But in this case when it comes to detectors it’s tell a guy.

 

 Chuck 

[FlyFish]

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