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    Vale, Oregon, USA
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    Coin & Jewelry Hunting, Relic Hunting and of course Research since March of 1965.
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    MAKRO .. NOKTA .. TESORO and WHITE'S

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  1. Here is a great performing, versatile detector that I acquired thinking I would have two of them and keep different coils mounted. I decided I didn't need to do that and am just keeping my own 'black' Vaquero. So here's a great deal for someone to get a new 'black version' Vaquero .. has black rods and in a black housing .. with the standard 8X11 RSD Double-D coil in the original factory box for Only $350. Price includes delivery to the lower 48 states. I only accept Cash and US Postal Money Orders. If interested, please contact me by e-mail only at: monte@ahrps.org .. or .. monte@stinkwaterwells.com Thank You, Monte
  2. This is a brand new 19 kHz FORS Gold Plus that I have never used outdoors. Just bench test demonstrated with it indoors. It only has a 5½X10 Double-D search coil that is brand new as a replacement for the original that was the earlier design and had a cracked/broken rod-mount 'ear.' I do not have the 5" DD coil or the User Manual .. which can be easily downloaded ... as those were in the backpack bags that were with all my stolen detectors and personal goods last October. A very solidly built, well-balanced and durable detector, delivered to you via Priority Mail for speedy service, Only $425 Includes delivery in the lower US 48 states. I only accept cash or US Postal Money Orders. If interested, e-mail me directly: monte@ahrps.org .. or .. monte@stinkwaterwells.com Monte
  3. Monte

    MX Sport Coils ?

    I use the MX Sports brother, the new MX-7. Same basic circuitry but in a land-based package and not submersible. I really enjoy both of my MX-7's and I keep a different search coil on each unit at-the-ready to grab and hunt. Also since I got mine a couple of months back it makes it easy to do some side-by-side comparisons of the two smaller coils using matching settings on these units. I am with Chuck regarding the 950 Concentric coil. I really wish White's would have used their open-frame 9" Concentric as it balances well and would have worked much better if wading or going deeper in the water. But the 950 Concentric coil provides the typical benefits we see with most Concentric coil designs over a comparable-size Double-D coil: • Better depth of detection • More accurate visual VDI response on opposing sweeps • More consistent/close audio Tone ID responses from side-to-side sweeps • Easier and more accurate Pinpointing for most people I also will usually use the same approach as Chuck by first hunting most areas that are typically trashier using a smaller size search coil, then after removing some of the shallower masking trash I can re-hunt the area with a later coil such as the 950 Concentric. I am using the Detech 7" DD made for White's and it is a good coil. I am also using the 6½" Concentric coil ... measured diameter but White's will likely call it a 6" coil as they used to ... and of the two I prefer the 6½" Concentric for most of my trash site needs. The 7" DD does okay, but the 6½" Con. does a wee bit better in my opinion. Right now it is too cold ... and too white this morning ... to water hunt but the 7" DD will be my go-to coil for wading when I am Beach Hunting due to the open-frame design that won't float. None of the other coils currently offered interest me in any way for my typical hunting needs and that is being able to confront very densely littered sites that abound in ferrous debris. The 7" DD is OK to go with, or hold out for the 6½" Concentric coil's release this spring ... which should be soon. Monte
  4. Congrats on the Indian Head. So far this year I haven't snagged one yet, but I have well over 30 wheat-back cents so I keep looking. Curious about your first Equinox outing, did you notice any remarkable improvements or advantages over the other makes and models you have? Which coil, program/mode and settings were used? Monte
  5. Mike H. and Steve H., I have also looked at search coil designs a lot through the years and have been irritated by marketing ideas that mess things up. The Five-point-Three labeling is one of them. Yes, someone thought it smart to reference the Transmit winding in the coil's name, but before they did that they had still been making the very same Concentric design in the very same size/shape coil housing and calling it the Blue Max 600. Nobody seemed to have a problem with that and bought that search coil seeing that it appeared to be about 6" in diameter and the '600' in the name kind of suggested that. It was kind of a 'problem' for me because the coil physically measures about 6½", not 6". But, as has been mentioned before, most manufacturers generally make a reference to a search coil's outside physical measured size ... or come close I guess. Regardless of what they call the coil, what color the decal is, or the diameters of both internal Tx and Rx windings, one thing I do know for a fact is all of the search coils White's has put in that housing ... be them for the 6.59 kHz Classic's or XLT or XL Pro, or the 'Eclipse' series for the MXT's, M6, MX-5 and other models, or the newest that has the connector for the new MX-7 and MX Sport ... work excellent in a wide range of applications, and can provide impressive depth-of-detection for their size. Wanting something just a little bigger and closer (internally) to a correct outside diameter such as a 7" Concentric coil? Well, that might not be a bad idea, either. I look over at my 'Detector Team' here in my den and I can spot two 7" Concentric coils that are mounted and ready for use. One solid-design coil on my low-end Tesoro Mojave, and the other a 'modern' open-frame design on my high-end Nokta Impact. Personally, I haven't a single problem with the internal coil winding size or the outside label they put on it, White's 6"/6½" Concentric coil has won my admiration for performance afield. I saw in-house an open-frame design that they could have been followed through on that would have made a nice replacement, and if I recall it was about a 6" coil. Now, If, and I mean a big IF, White's set out to make a new coil, and chose a 7" diameter, I would really like it to be an open-frame design along the lines of the Nokta 7" Concentric. But I kind of doubt, at this time in the life of White's, that there is very much focus on developing a brand new search coil. I guess I'll just stick to what I have on the end of my MX-7 and enjoy it since I know what to expect when I take it afield. Monte
  6. Mike, Tardy getting here. I've been busy detecting with some breaks in the winter weather and using the 6½" Concentric coil most of the time. So, let's get to the 6½" coil topic ... AGAIN... even though I have discussed this on many different forums for a couple of decades now. For fifty-three years of metal detecting and using countless brands and models and a wide array of search coils, it has almost always been the norm to describe a search coil by its physical outside measurement. That is done to make a general, industry-wide base for comparison as well as to let the user know what sort of confined spaces a coil might or might not fit in. White's, and many other manufacturers, have made 8" diameter search coils. That is the actual measured diameter of the search coil (housing) not including a coil cover. There might be subtle differences, like ±⅛" or ± ¼", and they round it to 8". As I have stated before, we can get marketing people involved and that can mess things up, as it did for two White's search coils. Back when they brought out the Quantum II and Quantum XT, they used the 8" coil on the Quantum II, but they changed the decal and renamed the coil a 7.8. It was simply a marketing thing. This was done at the same time they took their white-housing 600 Blue Max coil and changed the plastic color to black and relabeled it the 5.3 Black Max. In a short period that was changed to the 5.3 BullsEye for the 6.59 kHz models, and 5.3 Eclipse was made for the MXT series and DFX and models to follow. This goes back to a period of approximation that was then influenced my marketing ideas to try and have something 'new' or 'different.' The 600 Blue Max was interesting in itself. It wasn't 6.00, to maybe suggest Six . Zero Inches, it was simply '600.' Six-hundred what? Without any decimal point or fractional reference, it was a vague '600' something, but '600 'what? We accepted it to imply a 6" diameter, just as White's used '800' to reference their 8" diameter search coils. A reference to the outside diameter. The goofy 5.3 idea was supposed to refer to the inside Transmit winding diameter to be different. Well, it was. It made a lot of people NOT be interested in it because they felt it was too small, thinking the overall-size was just over 5¼". And you asked me: "Show me the windings inside a 5.3 eclipse coil and then tell me that its a 6.5" coil. " Okay ... IT IS A 6½" DIAMETER COIL. You then stated: "There is a reason its called a 5.3 and it has nothing to do with 6-1/2 inches." Correct. It has to do with the fact they kind of named it for the internal diameter of the Transmit winding rather than use the customary external, physical diameter of 6½", but doing so is misleading to the consumers looking for any coil in a particular physical size. I asked three different engineers on three or four occasions after they had changed the name from '600'o '5.3' to do me a favor. Most shoppers don't even measure the coils, they simply go my the manufacturer's name to get an idea of the size, and now, I asked them, you have confused the issue my using the measurement of the Transmit winding, is that correct? They replied Yes. So I asked about that five-point three measurement, since it is supposed to be so important, a for them to tell me if that was the physical l]measurement from the center of the ending to the center of the winding? Or was it from the inside diameter of the winding to the inside diameter on the opposite side, or, perhaps it was a measurement from the outside of the winding across to the outside of the winding on the opposing side? I couldn't get a clear answer and was told they would have to actually measure it. I told them as engineers they ought to know, if it was all important, but to the consumers, they want to know what a physical measurement is. You asked if I've seem the inside of the coils and Yes, I have numerous times. Other coils too, such as the '950 you mentioned. You refer to it as a '950' coil, which it is named, but have you seen the inside of the coil? Have you measured the Transmit winding and does the coil's name reflect that winding size? For whatever reason, White's was quite comfortable referring to that coil, back in the 600 Blue Max era, as a 6" diameter coil. It is certainly closer to that than a 5.-anything. And I use 6½ Inch because I can easily use a ruler or tape measure and get a measurement and note what is either spot-on or rounded to a reasonably close physical measurement and call it as I see it. This excellent size Concentric coil that I have made use of for many, many years on a wide range of White's detectors is, physically, a 6½" Concentric coil and that's what I'll call it. I might slip after it is released as I don't doubt that White's will likely round the size measurement to 6" instead of 6½ and I'll call it a 6". I like the 6½" Concentric better than the 7" DD Detech after-market coil, and the 950 is 'OK' for more open-area searches. I do wish, however, they would dump that 'puffy' 950 coil and bring us the 9" Concentric 'spider' type coil. It would also be a nice coil for both land and water hunting. Monte
  7. Monte

    New To Me VX3

    Buzzard, 'V3i/MXT Pro' gave you some suggestion that might be helpful. I know that I tinkered wy the VX3 I had early-on to get it to work a bit better than the factory default settings, but to be honest, as I like to be, it just didn't satisfy me for where I usually hunt. It didn't matter which coil I worked on it, it was 'Okay' buy it wasn't great or exciting. It lacked what I wanted or needed in performance. I won't twist your arm, but for a land-hunting detector that is light and well balanced, 'simple' to operate and adjust, and a very decent performer afield, I have to recommend the new MX-7, plus get a smaller coil for it. I enjoy the 6½ Inch Concentric that is due for release soon and it's my primary-use coil. The 950 and 7" DD are very capable 'back-up' or 'specialty use' coils in my arsenal as well. I keep one of them on my 2nd MX-7 for different hunting needs. All the best to you, and Merry Christmas! Monte
  8. Monte

    New To Me VX3

    Ah, the good old days of Relco, Jetco, and a flurry of entry level low-enders. Memories to end the year with. If you have an 'original' MXT then you have an 'OK' Coin Hunting detector. If the coils for your MXT are 'V' rated , then they can also work on your VX3. 'Test gardens" are, well, okay in a way, but the real tests will come when you work a detector/coil combo afield. Personally, I found the V3i to be too 'busy' and favored the VX3 that I used to use, for a short while, but gave up on both of them because they usually had a quirky sweep speed dependent operation, and the GB was not as smooth and forgiving like the MXT Pro/All-Pro or even the MX-5. However, I have a friend who really enjoys his V3i, after putting in a lot of field time and having a lot of patience to get to know it well. He also has an M6 that got him started, and an MX Sport that he prefers and uses most of the time now. Hang in there and get to learn and know the VX3 well. I hope it works out for you. Monte
  9. Chuck, I didn't care for the MX Sport's release for one reason and that was there was not a smaller-size search coil. Then they introduced the 7" DD from Detech and I tried it on a couple of MX Sport units earlier this year, and it did some of what I wanted a smaller-size search coil to do. I just wanted a land-based model. Then a few weeks ago I drove across-state to buy my first MX-7, at which time I also bought the 7" Detech DD and some accessories, and also was provided a freshly assembled 6½ Inch Concentric coil. It needed to be put together and sealed, and came w/o a decal, so I had my oldest son design a custom decal for me when he got the halves sealed together. That decal is seen in the link as Steve H. provided above, and shown here. Also, a reminder for those not familiar with how marketing folks get involved with naming products: The former White's coils labeled 600 Blue Max, 5.3 Black Max, 5.3 BullsEye and 5.3 Eclipse are NOT a physical 5.3 anything! Physically, to our eyes as we view them, these excellent search coils measure closer to 6½ Inches in diameter. Also, the search coil decals used in the past didn't tell the consumer what the internal winding configuration was, whether Concentric or Double-D. As seen, the decal my son made for me for my MX-7 "tells it like it is" by describing the size/diameter, as 6½ Inch, as well as the internal layout of the coil's windings, as a Concentric coil type. I believe you might re-think your feelings about owning and using this excellent size and type search coil, if you get an opportunity to check out the new 6½ Inch Concentric coil against your 7" Detech DD. I don't mind owning both of these coils, plus the standard 950 Concentric, but the 6½ Inch Concentric equipped MX-7 will see more field-time, to be sure, and I'l alternate between the 7" Double-D and 950 Concentric on my 2nd MX-7. Mainly keeping the 7" DD mounted for the next 3-4 months just to do side-by-side comparisons between these two closely-sized search coils on naturally located targets afield. Monte
  10. Steve, I agree that these series of smaller Concentric search coils could be made with a thinner, flat-bottom design with a different bottom half. They could also make them in an open-frame design, and I know at one time when Carl M. was there, he had such a prototype configuration he showed me and I was getting my hopes up ... but up-line they said to put it on the back burner. WAaaay back I guess. There is, however, a benefit for some people by using the thicker-bodied, semi-dome shaped lower-portion 6½" Concentric coil, and that is on some models for many hunting applications, het helps maintain a proper, or better, coil-to-ground relationship which can help eliminate overload. Most manufacturers today use a higher gain or Sensitivity level that some of their former models, and that can create an 'overload' or warping of the EMF due to intense ground mineralization. It can also cut down on some 'overload' caused by being too close to metal objects. Most detector manuals will suggest working the search coil about 1" to 2" off the ground, and the thicker-bodied 6½" Concentric helps detecting folks do that. Search coils shouldn't be scrubbed on the ground but instead worked a small distance off the ground, and the 6½" coil design helps keep the internal windings at a or functional distance. Monte
  11. Monte

    Vaq Black

    RickUK on 11/12: Interesting topic especially as i also have a Vaquero but its the UK version called the 'Laser Trident11 Extreme' the difference here is that the normal UK Vaquero ie Trident 11 is basically the same as the US Vaquero. What makes the 'Extreme' version which is a modded version made by the UK service/repair centre Pentechnic is that it has been slightly modified inside and also a few other additions,fine tuning and basically its a 'steroid' version of the standard Vaquero,the freq is 18.5khz or possibly 19khz i stand too be correct on the 19 khz comment,but this is mainly aimed at our small silver hammered coinage and that is the main reason over the 14khz of a normal version of the machine,also it has the higher tone modification and also has a fixed and manual GB facility,one other major visual difference is that they also have the 'Tejon' battery box on which is 8x1.5v rather than the 1 9v battery. ... Rick, I had heard about an operating frequency difference and just checked a Pentechnic as that reads as follows: New features include: 12v Battery System - 14Khz search frequency Hi-Tone audio and more....... MicroMAX design - All metal mode - Microprocessor technology - Frequency shift Silent search Disc mode - Ground Balance Control - Fixed or adjustable ground balance 11"x 8" 2D Widescan Searchcoil OR 8.5" 2D Widescan Searchcoil Price includes Coil Cover, Batteries & UK delivery I think someone made an error at some point because most of what I have heard from people over in the UK, as with this Pentechnic ad, is that the Trident II Extreme works at a similar frequency to the USA offered Vaquero. That would be 14.5 kHz in the center toggle position, and 14.3 or 14.7 if it is off-shifted to the left or right. Also in their ad the said they modified it to the ED-180 Discriminate rather than the standard ± ED-165 RickUK on 11/12: Mine came with the 11x8 coil on although you can of course stipulate the 9x8 Concentric coil or even any other coil combination as you wish,but i was not sure about the 11x8 coil for some time,but it has grown on me over time,i also have and use alot the NEL Snake coil 6.5x3.5'' for really trashy roman/saxon sites this combination on the trashy sites makes it a deadly combination,especially when you have a field that has roman hob nails on from the roman shoes,but the small coil allows you too pluck decent roman coinage from between these beds of nails.... I like the 8X11 DD in wide-open areas, and it can achieve some respectable depth-of-detection. Most often, however, I prefer the smaller 6" round Concentric coil. I have used some of the mid-sized coils from NEL and CORS, and have a CORS Fortune, new in the box, to go with a new Vaquero I am going to sell. I know a lot of folks like the mid-sized DD coils, but I don't use them on any Tesoro models. Only the 6" Concentric, the 7" Concentric on the Mojave, and the 8X11 DD on my Vaquero. RickUK on 11/12: One of the main reasons that i bought a Vaquero or UK variation is that its ultra lightweight even with the 11x8 coil on it,i have wrist problems with my detecting arm and it makes no odds how hard i try with the other arm which is good,it just aint happening,the left arm just does not do the same as my regular detecting arm.Also of course the legendary Tesoro/Laser discrimination albeit its really optimised when using a Concentric coil but its pretty good also with the WS coils as well.... For over half-a-century I have used many detectors, and as light as the newer Tesoro models can be, I just can't get my left arm & hand to work a detector and coil like my well-trained right arm and hand do. As I mentioned, I use Concentric coils most of the time, and prefer them in trashier sites I hunt. The 8X11 RSDD coil isn't too bad, but my aging and falling apart old self does limit the duration I can work the Vaquero with that coil. If you have the Trident II Extreme in the Tejón rod and battery configuration, that little extra battery housing and weight might help with some of the nose-heavy feel I get from the 8X11. RickUK on 11/12: It will never be my main machine,no Tesoro will ever achieve that for sure,its a site specific use machine in my book and its good for that use only really,do i have other machines ?? yes i do infact i have many many machines once again some are for everyday use like say my Deus and T2,but i also have site specific use machines as well for depth ie hoard hunting that crown belongs too my Nexus machines and also Pulse machines for a couple of very highly mineralised sites,and a tremendous selection of coils for these detectors that i own/use,are they all used the answer is 'yes' of course some are used many times during the year and other's just a few times but the all earn there keep in some way.... Like you, my Tesoro models serve more specific applications for me. I parted with my T2 and White's and other makes and models in January of '15 when I switched my Target ID/Tone ID detector team over to the Nokta FORS CoRe. I still have a White's MX5 in my Specialty-Use battery where I assigned the Makro Racer 2, but my Primary-Use Detector team is made up of my CoRe, Relic and two Impacts by Nokta along with my three Tesoro models. RickUK on 11/12: The Vaquero is a good reliable lightweight workshorse and brings a smile and alot of enjoyment factor when i use it,does it find me anything ?? yes' of course it does,with our rich historical heritage in the UK it has found me some very nice finds as like all my other detectors as well.We are very luck in having as much history as we do here,if i am honest we tend too take it for granted.... Yes, you do have some long-time history of lost or buried finds to search for compared to here in the USA or many other countries. I wish I could spend a detecting season over there just hunting away. And I agree, the Vaquero or its UK cousin, can serve us all very well in the right location at the right time with the right settings and coil. Monte
  12. Monte

    Vaq Black

    SteveJJ on 11/11: I'm curious if the Black and Standard are the same circuitry and only differ in the color and coil they come with. ... Black or Gray rod version, both use the same circuitry and the only difference in performance from one to another would be attributed to the coil mounted and settings used. SteveJJ on 11/11: I looked to see if the black coil was sold separately on Tesoro.com but they don't list any separate coils, so I couldn't get an answer to that. ... It's listed on the Tesoro website as: ... 11X8" Widescan (includes scuff) S-11X8W-SC-D 3' $159 $12 And the 'SC' in the description describes it as the standard Short Cable offering. It can also be purchased with the Long cable, the 'LC' coil, if you have a good reason for the extra cable length. Finding one ios more up to the dealer who does or doesn't stock Tesoro's accessories. SteveJJ on 11/11: I was thinking of selling my (gray) Vaquero once I got the F75, but it may just live in my trunk as a quick grab machine. It certainly is nice and light! ... ALWAYS have a good Tesoro in your personal detector arsenal, that's been my opinion for 34 years now since I took I the Tesoro line for personal use. I have several all-time favorite Tesoro models, and I'll hope to get my Bandido II µMAX back, but for now I have the non-TID detector needs covered with my Mojave, Silver Sabre µMAX and Vaquero. If I am making a short trip somewhere, out shopping, running to visit someone, going bird or game hunting, etc., etc., I like to have at least one favorite Tesoro with me. The Vaquero can serve you well when the time is right. Monte
  13. Monte

    Vaq Black

    GB_Amateur on 11-11: Just a few more questions, I promise! ... Okay, unless you have more as they can always be welcome. Be careful when you say "I promise." What if I was to say something like, I'll keep all my Forums posts and replies short. I promise! There's a good chance no one would believe me. GB_Amateur on 11-11: I just (quickly) read the Vaquero manual on the Tesoro website. A couple things I noticed which I'd like clarified/confirmed: 1) Is the all-metal mode really non-motion? If so, is there a difference between actually switching to all-metal (temporarily) when hunting in discriminate mode and just using the pinpoint button? And does the pinpoint button even do anything (extra) when you're in all-metal already? ...No. The Vaquero's All Metal mode does require motion because it employs a fast Auto-Tune circuitry. Most Tesoro's, such as the Silver Sabre microMAX, have Auto-Tune in their selected All Metal more or in a Threshold-based All Metal Pinpoint function, but it is a little slower threshold-retune speed than the Vaquero which has a faster Auto-Tune in either the selected All Metal or the momentary Pinpoint function. No, not really. If you are in All Metal mode and you select the momentary Pinpoint button, you may experience a very tiny bit of thumb joint and muscle exercise, but accomplish nothing else by doing so. When the vaquero was first introduced I bought three of them, for me and two friends, and I checked them all in-the-field on some located targets just to see if there was any difference. There wasn't. Nothing I or my fields could perceive. GB_Amateur on 11-11: 2) The manual says 10-20 hours battery life (for the single 9V). Is that your experience? If so this sounds like a great application for rechargeable 9 volt batteries. The non-rechargeables ain't cheap. ... I never use rechargeable batteries for a few reasons: ► I prefer a decent alkaline battery, and that doesn't mean it has to be Duracell or Energizer. I never use Ray-O-Vac, but that's due to poor experiences with them and consumer magazine reported testing from the latter '80s and early '90s. I will use the two brands I mentioned, and I also have had good battery duration from 9V batteries I have bought from Lowe's, Tractor Supply, and my local Western Family Thriftway store brand. ► Many times, I have found rechargeable batteries that are just a bit over-sized than most alkaline batteries. Some are too long, maybe too wide, and too thick, and if too thick they can prevent a battery door from fitting. When too lengthy they over-compress the + & - contacts in the detector, and that can lead to a standard-size alkaline battery cutting on-and-off from improper contact. ► I also don't care for most rechargeable batteries that have a shorter run-0time than alkaline batteries, and also seem to quit or die out almost suddenly and without warning compared to a good alkaline battery. ► Good alkaline batteries always give me 20 hours of run-time or more. Often much more! I use headphones always and that benefits battery operating time a little, too. Monte
  14. Monte

    Vaq Black

    Tiftaaft on 11-07: Monte, I am curious to hear how you decide which of your lineup to choose. For example, what prompts you to grab the Bandido over the rest, or when do you say.. "I'm going to hit this site with the Vaquero" etc. ... When it comes to selecting a non-display Tesoro Bandido II microMAX and Vaquero, here are my 'think modes' for picking one over the other. First, I currently lack a Bandido II µMAX because mine was among the stolen detectors last month. I hope it is recovered and returned, or I find another choice specimen because it is one of my favorite Tesoro's. ►Most of the time I am searching very trashy sites and close to metal structures, metal fences or a lot of building rubble so I use a 6" Concentric coil. Either the Bandido II µMAX or Vaquero will work okay, but I usually use them in the silent-search Discriminate mode and I also like to reject iron nails. The Bandido II µMAX does that at the minimum Disc. setting, where I always leave it because I very seldom use more Discrimination than nail rejection. Of the two, you can increase the Disc. setting of the Vaquero to try and duplicate the Bandido II µMAX performance ... but ... the Vaquero does tend to be just a little bit noisy or chattery in many sites. More than the other unit. Still, the Vaquero can work okay for this and today, without the Bandido II µMAX, I grab the Vaquero most of the time. ► Sometimes I like to search a wide open area with limited targets, good or bad, using the Threshold-based All Metal mode, and make a quick-change to the Discriminate mode to check or analyze a located target, then quickly return to the All Metal mode. For this, I would grab the Bandido II µMAX because it has the toggle switch for quick mode-change. The Vaquero would require you to twist the Disc. knob out of the clicked All Metal setting, adjust to the rejection level you want, then rotate the knob fully counter-clockwise to the clicked All Metal mode. ► There are times I want to accept more targets while in the Discriminate mode, even down as low as accepting most nails and some other ferrous trash. The Vaquero provides that option since it has the ± ED-165 Discriminate circuitry so it is the unit I grab first of the two models. ► At times, in wide-open areas with sparse, well scattered targets, ferrous and non-ferrous, I might also be able to benefit from some added depth-of-detection. For that I grab my 'black' Vaquero and mount the 8X11 DD RSD coil that's already on a spare lower rod for quick changes afield. The Vaquero gives me the better depth and the larger-size coil I need for those site challenges between those two models. Tiftaaft on 11-07: I try to approach my machine choice by the size of the field, the ground condition, and the targets I hope to find... but would be very interested in your decision tree. ... As you can read above, that is basically what I try to do. Consider the size of the site to hunt; factor in the amount of and density of targets at a site; and as noted determine if I want to get a hit on nails and more iron debris at a site or not. Then, coil size and type become a consideration, too. Monte
  15. Monte

    Vaq Black

    From Tiftaafit: Speaking for my reasons for choosing the Vaquero over the Tejon... I liked the pinpoint button option, but honestly, knowing now what I didn't know then... I rarely use it other than setting the ground balance... the Vaquero pinpoints easily without it... even with the 11x8 coil, and especially in AM. ... Tim, the Pinpoint button on the Vaquero is a very functional feature and one that I have enjoyed on a Silver Sabre µMAX since they were introduced twenty years ago (October of '97). They had the button on the earlier Sidewinder models since early '94, but those models had some glitches in circuitry design so I didn't keep them around. I was pleased to see the Pinpoint Push-Button included on the Vaquero & Cibola models and it was one reason I liked the Vaquero. And yes, the Tesoro's can pinpoint quite well even in the silent-search Discriminate mode, especially with a Concentric coil over a DD design. Also, I was sold on the weight difference between the 9V and AA's.. though it probably wouldn't make that big a difference when swinging. When I got the Vaq, I was swinging an Etrac with a 15" WOT on the end... so a couple AA's over a 9V wouldn't make that much difference. ... The Vaquero's 6" coil is a bit heavier than the 6" coils I use on the general-use series, but any coil on a Tesoro has to be less fatiguing than a Minelab FBS device sporting a 15" WOT coil. I guess the biggest deciding factor along with those rather minor differences was that I am mostly a turf hunter for coins, and hopes to get better and jewelry hunting. So I was looking for a nice marriage of targeting higher conductive items, while being decent at hitting on shallowish gold.... The 14.5 kHz Vaquero is a very good unit so far as frequency is concerned. I tend to prefer most detectors to operate somewhere in the 10 kHz to 15 kHz operating frequency, although there are times I will make use of a lower frequency or some models at a higher frequency. All the Tesoro's in my Regular-Use Detector Team are in that 10 to 15 kHz range and all perform quite well for my Coin and Jewelry Hunting needs (and also tackle Relic Hunting sites just as well). What I didn't know when I bought it, but found out when I started using it... I switch back and forth between AM and Disc to try and get a target id more than I thought I would, so the Tejon switch would be handy... but as I understand the supertune option better, the Vaquero might give me a combination of both AM and Disc, (though understandably less depth than AM and less accurate ID as in pure disc mode... but it is a trade off).... I do switch between All Metal and Disc, to check a target, but that is really easily accomplished by simply making use of the All Metal Pinpoint feature rather than making a mode-change switch from All metal mode to Discriminate mode. In time, however, especially when comfortable with any detector and especially the Tesoro's, I just take the 'Beep-DIG!' approach to success. With any detector I keep my Disc. level low where I am just accepting iron nails (when using a multi-Tone ID detector like my Nokta CoRe, Relic or Impact or White's MX5, to a setting where I am just barely rejecting iron nails (which would be at the minimum Disc. setting with ED-120 Disc. Tesoro's or just increasing the Vaquero to barely reject common iron nails) and I might only use a higher Discriminate level once or twice in an entire year for a specific application. I never "thumb the Disc. control" or do other things to try and capture any sort of Target ID with a Tesoro. I adjust for a proper slight audio hum Threshold setting, Ground Balance spot-on to just slightly negative, run the Sensitivity as high as tolerable w/o noise and chatter, use my preferred lower Disc. setting, then start hunting. When I get any good or reasonably iffy target response (Beep), I Pinpoint the target and recover it (DIG!). No messing around with sizing-and-shaping most targets, or tinkering with controls to try and identify or classify the object. The ONLY way to know for sure if it is a good or bad target is to take a look at it. (Read my signature below.) Having said all that, and having the Vaquero in my possession... it does everything I hoped it would do, and more (much better depth than I expected while in AM). However, I admit, I might have the same exact comment if I had the Tejon in my possession rather than the Vaquero. As CSN&Y said... Love The One You're With. :) And I do.... Just keep on putting in time with the Vaquero to learn and master it. It can make a great complement to what your Minelab detectors can do for you since their all have their own strengths and weaknesses. Monte
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