Chase Goldman

Thanks. The question asked is not uncommon. Beleive me ML's use of the above diagram and how it "implies" all 5 single frequencies are combined to create Multi-IQ confused a lot of people and generated a lot of heated debate. ML was playing on the common misconception that the more frequencies combined tge better, when in reality all you need are two frequencies to be combined to get the job done and most of the heavy lifting is done by the signal processing software. Because of the confusion and blowback from knowledgeable engineers that ML was unnecessarily conflating the single frequency options and Multi-IQ, ML relented and added the footnote to their confusing cloud "diagram" to note that the diagram is "representative only".

Plenty of APTX-LL earbuds still around and by next summer there might be 3rd party BT LE earbuds available (presuming ML is not using a proprietary version of BT LE). Heres's a BT APTX-LL transmitter you can plug into the M-Core HP Jack: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MTFRKQM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 And Here are some APTX-LL Earbuds for Summer: https://www.amazon.com/HomeSpot-Bluetooth-Headphones-Qualcomm®-Compatible/dp/B09P4WQRH6/ref=sr_1_8?crid=3VXDY41ESEZ8C&keywords=Glazata+aptx+low+latency+earbuds+aptx-ll&qid=1670814096&sprefix=glazata+aptx+low+latency+earbuds+aptx-ll%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-8

In a nutshell, the single frequency options on the Equinox 600 and 800 have no correlation to the two or three frequencies that are combined in Multi-IQ to generate the simultaneous multi-frequency transmit signal (that's right, Multi-IQ DOES NOT combine 5+10+15+20+40khz, it combines two (sometimes 3) widely displaced, carefully chosen frequencies). The 600 has fewer single frequency options than the 800 but the Multi-IQ Simultaneous Multi-frequency profiles for both detectors are the same for a given mode as stated in the note below the diagram below. HTH.

Suit yourself. It's your money. Standard SBC BT at about 200ms delay with a normal sweep speed your single target will appear as two targets separated by a few inches. Believe me, any experienced detectorist you will notice that and it would drive them nuts. Been there, done that. No thanks. That's why all purpose built detecting wireless audio accessories use proprietary low latency wireless (Garret Z-Lynk, ML WiMax, Nokta "Green" wireless), BT APTX-LL (Equinox 600/800, Vanquish, GPX 6000, Nokta Legend), or the newest BT LE tech (Manticore, Nox 700/900) that have about 15 to 40ms lag max. Some folks take issue with even that low level of lag and plug in directly (see Dave (Midalake's) post above). There are numerous threads here on DP that discuss the topic. Just do a search on "low latency" or APTX-LL and you will get some great info. HH

That's not a low latency transmitter. Are you using low latency headphones? If you are going to pass on the supplied Manticore phones, highly recommend you use an APTX low latency transmitter and APTX low latency phones, otherwise the lag will make it difficult to line up and pinpoint your targets.

I sure hope so...DP is running out of cheese to go with this much whine. 🤣😩🤣😩🤪

She is a great ML rep as she really seems to relate well to the customer wants and needs, at least in regards to coils, as ML themselves. They do seem to be in the coil selling business, though. Have to purchase the 900 so I can put a useless 6" coil on ebay.

I don't think XP makes any CF accessories or products, unfortunately.

This expanded ID scale is great as long as the stability and repeatability of the Nox TIDs are maintained and the scale does not suffer from high end (high conductor) compression. Legend is a little jumpy and only goes to 60, D2 is pretty stable through 99 but the high conductors (and large aluminum) targets really get compressed into the mid-80 to 99 range limiting ability to resolve the type of high conductor. But frankly I'm digging all those targets unless I get an indication it's an aluminum can based on the audio and traced target footprint via the pinpointer.

The expert deciders are a judge and/or jury who likely have no tech background who are being fed "facts" by lawyers paid to zealously defend their clients and paid expert witnesses. Such is the world of intellectual property law. Oh and you can't sue someone just because they stole your good idea if you didn't or couldn't patent that idea. Finally, it is hilarious to see one foreign-based company sue another foreign based company in a US court. ML did the same thing a few years back with XP (France) because ML hard the foresight to be the first to patent the simple and ubiquitous concept of connecting the detector control pod to a PC via USB for updating. A feature that is expected to be provided with all recent detectors from the major players.

Yes. The new audio tone options (pitch) are flying under the radar here and are a big deal for me in addition to the other improvements (including vastly improved pod menu navigation...we have a back arrow now!) because I use pitch almost exclusively with the D2. Always wanted to be able to use Nox gold mode audio in the other modes. Hate losing the APTX-LL and Wi Max options, though.

I guess they had to upgrade the guts to at least be comparable to the Legend with the full target ID range, flash light, vibrating handle etc etc sound familiar? 🙂 Yeah, but Nokta managed to do it for $500US less 🤣 The Legends are deep discounted @$510 right now (with wireless phones). Nevertheless, like what they did. Basically the Manticore without the coil stem upgrade, Manticore coil compatibility and without Multi IQ+ target trace. Makes sense from a ML mass production standpoint too because the use of the common Manticore/Nox 900 shaft system means adjacent hardware production lines are almost identical. The should have called it the "Equicore 700/900" or "Mantinox 700/900"🤣 It's actually a tempting upgrade for me because I love my Coiltek Nox 5x10 so much, I was going to keep the Nox around even after my inevitable Manticore purchase in mid-2023 once the M-core small coil finally hits the streets. Hate to lose compatibility with my Torus neck speaker though.

No laughing matter phrunt, that is 100% true. But the other issue is if you try to put the Mollycot coil chip into another 3rd party coil, a singularity will be created that will gravitationally attract all comets and asteroids in the solar system to simultaneously converge towards earth. So ML has this one basically locked down tight. Kudos to them on their tenacity to make sure compatibility streams are never crossed between detector product lines.

Yeah. That Nokta CF lower is the ticket to be able to use the existing OEM shaft/stem system.

Wasn't a fan of this coil for the D1 (especially on the OEM shaft, which is undersized for it and flexes too much) and it only should provide marginal 2" swing coverage increase over the 11" (swing coverage is simply determined by the vertical dimension of the elliptical DD coil), perhaps a smidgen more depth, but the value is low due to the high cost ($400) and weight penalty incurred. If you only have the 9" coil, different story as it might make sense as an alternative to the 11", but the issue regarding insufficient stock shaft stiffness still remains I believe as well as balance and weight penalties. Will be interested in the user reports for this one, regardless. It could be killer on a 3rd party CF shaft at the beach.

So, so glad to be sitting out the Minelab waiting list hoopla insanity this time around...I know its both a blessing and a curse to you dealers. Will get around to checking this out sometime next year after I have full year on my current flagship detector. I presume they'll still be manufacturing these MontyCore's six months from now, dontcha think? Or I may hop on board one dumped to ebay by delusional pseudo detectorists who figure out it's not Harry Potter's magic wand (no detector is) and who still don't realize that hard work, learning and clicking with your machine (whatever it may be), research, location, location, location, and a little bit o' Luck are the true ingredients for successful and enjoyable detecting. After all, just because you own a set of Tiger Wood's golf clubs or LeBron James' shoes doesn't mean you can play like them. 🤣🤣🤪

Bingo!

Real.

Minelab is not going to run a Black Friday deal on a detector that has not yet been released. ML has no knowledge of the dealer pre-orders and in many cases people who have more personal relationships with dealers are placed on lists without even putting down a deposit. Bottom line is that you are pondering a situation that is not going to happen.

Agreed, I hope so too.

FWIW - The six-inch round coil was not available until about 5 months after the Equinox was released. I confirmed this by going back through old posts on the forum. Looks like we started seeing people doing tests and comparisons in August - September 2018 (The Equinox was released in late January 2018).

See below. Ignore the fact that the TID stays constant at 78 regardless of the target displayed. The more stable the target ID the more "linear" the "oval" remains. I think slope in either "hemisphere" corresponds to target ID. I don't use the feature because I get more information from the target audio, but I might experiment more with it, in the future.

Yep. I agree regarding "sounds round". But to that point, as long the target ID is stable, then you won't even get that indirect "size" differential indication between a coin and a larger diameter object like a non-ferrous mason jar lid, for example. Not trying to be argumentative (we both are basically agreeing with each other) but I am just trying to illustrate to others that this whole hype regarding target trace directly showing the relative target size is likely a fallacy. I think we both agree the target trace blob size is really revealing target id variability/uncertainty. Regardless of whether target trace gives you direct or indirect target footprint information, to determine relative target "size" I often lift the coil to get see how soon the audio signal trails off or trace the target footprint using the built-in non-motion pinpointer feature - those can often give you a good relative footprint check (or at least tell you that you are not swinging over a coin sized object) for relatively shallow targets.

I presume your Equinox handles those conditions better but if it is "silent search" in multi-tones it should also be silent search in 50-tones. However, if your Equinox still has noise issues under those conditions, then I can understand that having 2 or 5-tone chatter might be less audibly fatiguing than 50-tone chatter, so on that basis I understand what you are saying. I too often detect in high emi/high mineralized conditons. And, as a result, I have actually moved away from tone ID and now prefer the Pitch audio (with separate ferrous tones for targets below the ferrous discrimination breakpoint) provided by my Deus 2. That basically turns my machine into a ferrous/non-ferrous dig machine but with some additional target information provided by the pitch audio vice a discrete tone (the downside is that I rely more heavily on visual target ID). My understanding is that M-core will have a similar Pitch audio option for all modes (currently Nox only has pitch like audio in Gold mode). Looking forward to that feature. Combined with target trace to visually show ferrous targets and silent ferrous discrimination, it might actually surpass D2 in functionality.

Theoretically, if you are discriminating ferrous and have the machine properly ground balanced, then even in 50 tones it will still be silent until you get a target.