GB_Amateur Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/29/2021 at 4:06 PM, PimentoUK said: stereo-mode with 5k in one ear, 15k in the other. Has that ever been done in a metal detector? I'm guessing not. Hopefully I could train my brain to hear that -- sounds interesting and useful. 5 hours ago, UtahRich said: I have my 800 set up like my old CZ-6 and 6a. And the frequencies are right; 5, 10, 15, 20, 40. Five tone. -9 to -1 for iron, 0 to 11 for foil, 12-13 for nickels, 14-17 for tabs, and 18-above for IHC's and up. Weren't the USA nickels thrown in with higher conductive coins? Were the CZ's 5 tones or 4 tones? (I run my Fisher F75 in 4H tones -- max number, with the 'H' meaning the USA nickel zone gets the same tone as the high conductors.) My ML Eqx 800 is set up similar to yours for searching (but differently for interrogating). Five different tone zones with USA nickels getting their own frequency, tone of 24, compared to the high conductors (20 and above) with tone 25. I understand why some parts of the world might prefer 30 and above being its own tone but breaking 20 and above into two separate zones is a waste of a scarce tone in my "I want every coin except Zincolns" little corner of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvr Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, GB_Amateur said: Weren't the USA nickels thrown in with higher conductive coins? Were the CZ's 5 tones or 4 tones? In standard tune, nickels are high tone, as are other US coins. The CZ 6, 6a and 5 were three tones as were the CZ7 versions. The CZ 70 is 4 tone and the CZ3d is four tone. Oh, and the CZ20 and 21 are 3 tone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickelNdimed Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 How much would your pay for one if you dream came true? Price of an F75 back in the day, $1200? Would it have to cost no more than an Equinox 800? No more than whatever the future Nokta Multiplex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB_Amateur Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 hours ago, nickeldNdimed said: How much would you pay for one if you dream came true? Price of an F75 back in the day, $1200? Would it have to cost no more than an Equinox 800? No more than whatever the future Nokta Multiplex? I missed the 1990's detecting window (and a couple other decades, too). If I had been detecting then it's quite likely I would have had one, and really liked it. In the last 2-3 years, a couple times I've thought about getting a used one. But I think your 3rd question is the most relevant. I'll add to that -- even at less than $1000 price tag, would it have to outperform an Equinox 800? One thing about detector manufacturer loyalty -- it's not selective. Unless you (general pronoun, I'm not singling out nickedNdimed) have been hiding under a rock the last couple of weeks (see the GPX 6000 threads) it's quite obvious Minelab has them, too. Unfortunately for First Texas, Minelab's fanclub has been growing while FT's has been shrinking. Is the Garrett Apex the equivalent of a digital version of the Fisher CZ? OK, that's semi-rhetorical. The point is that it needs to be more than simply a digitzed CZ. That likely would have been a winner if they had done it 10 years ago. Maybe the T2, F75, Frat Brothers, and Gold Bug family were their digital CZ. Admittedly none of those are simultaneous multi-frequency but apparently FT decided siMF wasn't the direction to go. Hindsight is 20/20 and I'll leave it at that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickelNdimed Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Yeah, I was holding out before jumping into an Equinox hearing anytime now Garrett, Fisher, Whites would come out with a competitive multiuse, multi frequency unit. I may have purchased a waterproof Apex over an Equinox, Multi MX Sport, Digitized CZ and even paid a little premium over the Equinox. I was rooting for them to come out with something to my buddy finding cool stuff with his Equinox. But got tired of waiting to see what the fuzz was about with Equinox and . Made some good finds, not crazy about ergonomics (on a quest to fix this for me!). Anyway, still hoping for something compelling to come. Still curious what the price point would have to be for the remaining loyal to bite! Probably hard to compete with Malaysia and Turkey manufacturing rates.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger-NH Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I bought my CZ20 in 1998 and still use it to this day. It didn't take me long to see what a great performer it is on the wet sand. My intention was that I would use it for water hunting and possibly diving. I tried water hunting and didn't like it and I never got into diving because the gear was too expensive. So I ended up just using the CZ20 on the wet sand. The performance is great but as a beach detector it sucks. Hip mounting is a hassle, the hardwired headphones are crap, and you can't change coil sizes. I would love to see a beach version of the CZ20 but there probably aren't many out there like me who could be happy without a VDI screen or built in speaker. I've said this many times but I'll bet they could easily design a modern CZ for the beach that would rival the Equinox on both performance and price. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB_Amateur Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Badger-NH said: I ended up just using the CZ20 on the wet sand. The performance is great but as a beach detector it sucks. Hip mounting is a hassle, the hardwired headphones are crap, and you can't change coil sizes. If you're not taking it into the water, aren't the non-waterproof CZ's an option? Or won't they adjust for wet (salt) sand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvr Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, GB_Amateur said: If you're not taking it into the water, aren't the non-waterproof CZ's an option? Or won't they adjust for wet (salt) sand? I normally pack a CZ6a with the FZ-12 coil on it as a back up when I go to the salt water beaches. If the waterproof detector has an issue I can just do the beach with the splash resistant CZ6a. Does great over the wet salt sand. I personally don't care whether it has a display or not for beach work ... I just need to hear it well. On it's standard shaft the ergonomics are not great, but is a lot lighter than a CZ20 or CZ21. A modern water proof equivalent with great ergonomics would be a hit in my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickelNdimed Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Badger-NH said: I've said this many times but I'll bet they could easily design a modern CZ for the beach that would rival the Equinox on both performance and price. Seems like they already have somewhat of a coil selection 10.5, 8, and 5” maybe just need waterproof connections to the new box. Why even digital and screen? Maybe miniaturize AQ style, s-shaft and straight shaft options, coil options.... some of the hardware and design is almost there.... Something compelling..... price, I’m not sure about. They still want 800-1200 for latest varieties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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