King-Of-Bling Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, mh9162013 said: True. But you don't want to lose out on sales b/c you undermarketed a product. But you also don't want to take a hit to your reputation b/c you couldn't meet expectations. It's a fine line, of course. Also, keep in mind that overpromising and underdelivering often leads to more profits/benefits than the other way around. That's one reason why it happens so often, whether it's in private industry, politics or the dating world. Are you saying that N/M is walking that fine line better than XP is? Whenever you overpromise and under deliver , you run into many issues. Sure , you can make profits in the short run. But never in the long game. For starters , legal issues and recalls ( misrepresenting the product , fraud ). When companies do this whether knowingly or not it portrays them as not being transparent , untrustworthy and scammers. On the 2nd go around , smart people are not coming back. PERIOD. Maintaining your reputation and how you handle something when it goes south means the world to alot of people. Sadly , in these times there are many that just don't care either. Regarding XP , I don't know enough about them to honestly comment. Though I do have a pinpointer that has worked flawlessly the few times I've used it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phrunt Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, mh9162013 said: Are you saying that N/M is walking that fine line better than XP is? Not a chance, Nokta came out swinging with the Legend, some very bold performance claims. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mh9162013 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, King-Of-Bling said: Whenever you overpromise and under deliver , you run into many issues. Sure , you can make profits in the short run. But never in the long game. For starters , legal issues and recalls ( misrepresenting the product , fraud ). When companies do this whether knowingly or not it portrays them as not being transparent , untrustworthy and scammers. On the 2nd go around , smart people are not coming back. PERIOD. Maintaining your reputation and how you handle something when it goes south means the world to alot of people. Sadly , in these times there are many that just don't care either. Regarding XP , I don't know enough about them to honestly comment. Though I do have a pinpointer that has worked flawlessly the few times I've used it. When I refer to overpromising and underdelivering, I'm referring to marketing fluff, not legally actionable fraud or misrepresentation. I presume when XP says the Deus II is shockproof, there's at least a moderate amount of truth to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mh9162013 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, phrunt said: Not a chance, Nokta came out swinging with the Legend, some very bold performance claims. I agree. Not to say N/M is lying, but based on what XP and N/M have said so far about their respective SMF detectors, if anyone's going to disappoint, my guess it's N/M. Again, not saying that'll happen, but if someone told me either XP or N/M would underdeliver with the Legend/Deus II, I'd assume it was N/M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phrunt Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 An old saying is imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and Nokta sure have done that with their Equinoks Legend. They knew which detector was the best, and they've tried to replicate it and ride off some of it's success. Have they done it? We'll soon see. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King-Of-Bling Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 I can tell you where the Legend has already failed (for me) and that is the length. I'm 6'5 and the Legend is only 52" extended. The Nox is I think 56" , and that wasn't long enough until I went with Steve's CF which added 2". I can't find the info on what the Deus 2 extended max length is. Hopefully I can get a longer "tall man" CF lower for the Legend. I haven't even bought it yet and it's failed !? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basstrackerman Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, King-Of-Bling said: I can tell you where the Legend has already failed (for me) and that is the length. I'm 6'5 and the Legend is only 52" extended. The Nox is I think 56" , and that wasn't long enough until I went with Steve's CF which added 2". I can't find the info on what the Deus 2 extended max length is. Hopefully I can get a longer "tall man" CF lower for the Legend. I haven't even bought it yet and it's failed !? I can measure my deus. Where from coil to arm cuff fully extended? Or bottom of coil to back of grip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King-Of-Bling Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, basstrackerman said: I can measure my deus. Where from coil to arm cuff fully extended? Or bottom of coil to back of grip? Top of coil or the coil bolt to the end of the shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basstrackerman Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, King-Of-Bling said: Top of coil or the coil bolt to the end of the shaft. 53". That's top of coil to end of arm cuff fully extended. But this is an S-shaft so it should not have to be quite as long as a straight shaft for same fit. The straight shaft for me needs to be longer than this. But this is fine for me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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