Second Hand AlgoForce For Sale Already !

[Nedkelly]

Looks like Pioneer's E1500 sold quickly. His add has been taken down.

I think he would have found it to be a better performer if he was running better coils. The Sadie wouldn't be my first choice. Small spiral coils make it look very ordinary. In saying that it will always be in the E1500 detector bag because of its size.

The other big coil he had I think that there are better options available.

The coil cable issue is something I haven't noticed but will check when I'm out next.

[phrunt]

The add was already pulled down when he came here to discuss his issues with it, however in his post here he referred to it as selling it, not sold it.

The Commander mono was a very odd choice to buy, and a retail boxed one at that, with the decades of history of people replacing the Commander coils with aftermarket coils for better results, he probably would have found the detector better with different coils, although maybe the Commander was a very good buy.

One of his concerns was the detector picking up the coil cable, and that would only be made worse with higher performance coils.

[cudamark]

17 hours ago, phrunt said:

Very close, except it would be a KFC bucket, I never did fancy popcorn much 🙂

My employer genuinely did bribe me with buckets of KFC to take on overtime or work back late when necessary, paid of course, but the KFC was the clincher 🙂

 

Yuk...give me the popcorn! I've had food poisoning twice at KFC. I can't even walk into the place without gagging now....

[Pioneer]

21 hours ago, Nedkelly said:

Looks like Pioneer's E1500 sold quickly. His add has been taken down.

I think he would have found it to be a better performer if he was running better coils. The Sadie wouldn't be my first choice. Small spiral coils make it look very ordinary. In saying that it will always be in the E1500 detector bag because of its size.

The other big coil he had I think that there are better options available.

The coil cable issue is something I haven't noticed but will check when I'm out next.

I didn't sell it but decided to return it to Algoforce for a refund. 

The Sadie is the recommended coil Algoforce its even in the manual. I also tried a Nugget finder 18", a Coiltek 9" Elite as well as my Minelab 15" semi elliptical.

I did side by side target comparisons with 7000, 6000, 5000, 2300, equinox 900 and gold monster. It on air tests it it was only beaten by the 7000 and the monster and Equinox 900 which with their small coils could our smallest piece of 0.006g. On targets in the ground it saw every target the 6000 and 2300 found again it couldn't see one target in a larger piece of quarts that a monster found. 

For me the biggest issue is the ground balance, hunting mulloch heaps were the ground from each layer discarded can be completely different I would keep getting me the appearance of clear targets but end up being just ground noise. There isn't a dedicated ground balance button or trigger, in fact the ground balance is the second function of the right arrow button to toggle through the function menu. A long press on thus button activates ground balance you can release the button at any time but I likes to wait for the two confirmation beeps from the machine. This could take a very long time easily over twenty seconds sometimes. As I want a machine I can work fast to cover more ground, l don't like having to look at the screen to check how far the ground balance is out, then waste time re ground balancing every few meters.

On consistent ground I am sure it will do well. Just for me, on the same ground one after each other with the E1500 always going first I found substantial more gold with both the 2300 and gold monster.  We all want a new machine to find us more gold than our old ones, so this the ultimate reason why I am returning it. 

[Gerry in Idaho]

On 2/20/2024 at 12:44 AM, Pioneer said:

I didn't sell it but decided to return it to Algoforce for a refund. 

The Sadie is the recommended coil Algoforce its even in the manual. I also tried a Nugget finder 18", a Coiltek 9" Elite as well as my Minelab 15" semi elliptical.

I did side by side target comparisons with 7000, 6000, 5000, 2300, equinox 900 and gold monster. It on air tests it it was only beaten by the 7000 and the monster and Equinox 900 which with their small coils could our smallest piece of 0.006g. On targets in the ground it saw every target the 6000 and 2300 found again it couldn't see one target in a larger piece of quarts that a monster found. 

For me the biggest issue is the ground balance, hunting mulloch heaps were the ground from each layer discarded can be completely different I would keep getting me the appearance of clear targets but end up being just ground noise. There isn't a dedicated ground balance button or trigger, in fact the ground balance is the second function of the right arrow button to toggle through the function menu. A long press on thus button activates ground balance you can release the button at any time but I likes to wait for the two confirmation beeps from the machine. This could take a very long time easily over twenty seconds sometimes. As I want a machine I can work fast to cover more ground, l don't like having to look at the screen to check how far the ground balance is out, then waste time re ground balancing every few meters.

On consistent ground I am sure it will do well. Just for me, on the same ground one after each other with the E1500 always going first I found substantial more gold with both the 2300 and gold monster.  We all want a new machine to find us more gold than our old ones, so this the ultimate reason why I am returning it. 

Pioneer,  1st off, thanks for taking the time to chime in and give us your initial thoughts on the E-1500.  Just like you were excited, I have many hopeful clients and friends here in the US who's interested as well.  At the price point it's being offered, I see many people jumping at the chance to get one.

With that being said "many people getting one", there will immediately be folks who don't like it for a number of reasons. As a multi line dealer for 30 yrs, I see each new detector come out and get a % of people who are not happy or as pleased as their dreams hoped.  Many times, I know for a fact, it's operator error or lack of understanding the new detector tool.  Other times it's the expectation let down as a different detector you know, found some gold it missed.

I'm not here to judge you as that would be silly, since I don't know you, your skill level or success rate.  I only know you mentioned using the very simple GM-1000 & SDC-2300, you like them and have success at finding gold.  That's totally great with me and probably most others as well.

When I read between the lines, I myself see someone who wants turn on and go detector as both (GM-1000 & SDC) are pretty much that.  Guess what, that's the masses and I enjoy selling such detectors for those people.

Also, from what I've read on your post, it seems you're trying to use metal detectors as your source of income and that's perfectly fine.  I, and many others envy you for having the capabilities and desire to make a go at it, us USA folks only dream.

As for the specimen it missed and the Monster found, that's 100% logical to me, it's a PI.  Just curious how well the other PI detectors responded to the specimen?  I have pounds of gold my VLF easily see and many PI's miss.  The new Axiom and 6000 are way better than a 7000 or 5000 for those kinds of gold, but I don't have an E-1500 in my hands yet to compare.  I imagine pretty close in performance though.

Sometimes a new detector for a veteran user just does not click and or feel right.  I know for a fact in my years of swinging many different brands and models, a few that I tried were very disappointing and I let them go.  I tell folks when on the hunt, it's best to swing the detector you have the most faith in. 

As for hot ground that continually needs Ground Balanced, luckily here in the USA, most of our sites are not so.  But even when I do hunt those areas, I don't worry about the screen telling me, it's my ear that does so.  A simple pump up and down over the ground and I have a clue if GB is needed or not.

On a rare occasion and it's even happened to me.  I have high expectations and the detector model and I just don't click.  We don't jive, no boogie, so I sell it. At least I tried and made my own decision, which is way better than wondering.

I enjoy your input and will share it with others, just to prove a point that a new detector is not always going to be Golden for everyone. The good thing is, you tried it, it was not your cup of joe and you were refunded your money. Now you can get back to swinging the detectors you know best and finding the gold they are tuned to find.

Please share some of your success stories here on DP on occasion as us Yankees envy seeing the prospect finds from abroad.

Again, Thanks for sharing and no hard feelings for not liking it.  I run into that on occasion when going out to dinner with the wife. She really talked up a new eatery and after I walked out, I needed to take some tums.

Interestingly, I see this company taking input (good and bad) and doing things with it.  In the end, we all get more options and better price points to try.  If we don't like it, we can go back to what we was swinging before.