Equinox Issue With 2 Euro Coin & Trash Overlapping?

[GB_Amateur]

9 minutes ago, LowTide said:

If you go to a park that has cleaner ground, and then areas with trashier ground, they want you to break out an FBS for the cleaner areas.  And then after your arm gets tired, go back to your vehicle and get the Equinox and then attack the trashier area.

Well, that may be their hopeful intent overall, but that simplistic goal won't work with many/most, and I suspect ML knows that, too.  Every detector manufacturer's primary goal is to make enough money to pay their employees and (hopefully) have enough left to reward their investors.  Either way they do that only by pleasing enough customers.

Satisfying egotistical and empathetic emotions also enter, but that doesn't pay the bills.  The bottom line is that the best detector from an engineering standpoint isn't going to be the best detector from a practical standpoint if it doesn't meet the users' needs and pricepoint.

It's easy for us to sit in the spectator section and criticize the other manufacturers, but IMO they are trying hard and feel the pain.  They aren't a bunch of lazy fat cats sitting idly by and counting the money.  They all are hurt by the bottom line (profit/loss), and they are unfairly smarting from people calling them 'complacent'.  I've been in their shoes.  The competitive world can be a painful experience.  But from that competition comes new and better products.  That's what I'm counting on.  It is a 'survival of the fittest' arena.  But the fittest aren't always the 'most fit' in the present snapshot.

[Sinclair]

7 hours ago, vive equinox said:

I resolved the problem beetween the pulltab and 2 euros.  It's easy with the tone break and pitch tone. 

But the pulltab in the beach is horrible. 

I had digged more than 100 in 6 hours.

Which settings do you use?

Yeah, old pulltabs have always been a problem.

For me those bottletops are the most annoying.. while I am learning to identify them, they seem to always ring up with different IDs.. and they cost time... plus if you don't dig 'em you'll always hear them next time

 

5 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

One tip I can help with. Target id numbers vary slightly between Search Profiles. Two items that read the same in Field 2 may read slightly differently in Park 1 for instance. This is due to different frequency weighting and the imperfection of target id normalization.

I've noticed that, but it always seems to be kind of a trade-off.. I'll try to chart that up. There are some other situations, where Multi Freq. does some strange things - particularly with on-edge lying items.

 

[Dubious]

Pulltabs, bottle caps, and rusty bent nails--now, if Minelab (or anyone else) could produce a detector that keeps those firmly in non-coin segments of the ID scale, I would certainly want that machine. Probably not entirely possible, alas, and maybe it's more fun this way...

Minelab might be able to release firmware updates that were region-specific, to shift things somewhat to take into account local coinage; but I doubt it's going to do it.  Personally, I think we should lobby our governments to go back to making coins of silver and copper, or, at least, to use single metals all the way through. It's disgusting how quickly clad coins degenerate in the ground due to the "battery" effect.  

[Ringmoney]

1 hour ago, Dubious said:

Pulltabs, bottle caps, and rusty bent nails--now, if Minelab (or anyone else) could produce a detector that keeps those firmly in non-coin segments of the ID scale, I would certainly want that machine. Probably not entirely possible, alas, and maybe it's more fun this way...

The thing is on all other detectors I have tested I have not had these problems with these specific type of targets. The VDI range for Euro coins (not counting the low value copper clad) is very tight, square tabs off modern beer cans are notably lower and crown caps are notably higher. Yes you will get exceptions to the rule but in general that rule applies to most detectors. With the nox everything just seams to grouped together in that mid range area. 

[Ringmoney]

8 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

One tip I can help with. Target id numbers vary slightly between Search Profiles. Two items that read the same in Field 2 may read slightly differently in Park 1 for instance. This is due to different frequency weighting and the imperfection of target id normalization.

Also, Iron Bias is not just for iron. It has varying effects on different target types and so is worth experimenting with. Faster recovery speeds can also accentuate the differences between round targets and irregular shaped targets. Round items retain signal strength better at faster recovery speeds while irregular targets get weaker and jumpier.

Look at it this way Ringmoney - if you ditch the Deus for the Equinox the worst that can happen is you trade a machine you hate for another one you hate! 

Yes we did notice that Park!/Field1 was best, it makes me wonder should we have being looking at the beach programmes now since they have an even lower frequency bias? Does Beach1 have a lower frequency weighting than Park1?? I know Beach2 has a lower weighting but transmit power is lower in Beach2??

Yes I could end up with a machine I also hated but the question is will it get the job done in this particular situation? I all ready know it will do a better job in most cases but this one situation is a deal breaker for me, so much so I will sacrifice all other types of detecting for it, hence why I am stuck with the awful French thing. We wont give up, we will put the nox through its paces and if it can be done it will be done.

[Nuke em]

I have had 2 x2 euro coins so far. Didn't notice the number but if they come in at 15 or 16 then that's like the 20p so I ain't fussed. 

I do however find the 705 better for dry beach coin hunting . at least on my beaches.

Out with the ET tomorrow for a change , its not been out since 30 September 2016 .

[Ringmoney]

45 minutes ago, Nuke em said:

I have had 2 x2 euro coins so far. Didn't notice the number but if they come in at 15 or 16 then that's like the 20p so I ain't fussed. 

This is exactly what I am talking about, on other machines you will tell them apart. The Deus for example,

Beer can square tabs 48-52

Uk 20p coin = 55/56

Euro €2 = 68-70

Other Euro coins, old UK £1 an £2 = 70-79

Crown Caps = 82 and up.

The Equinox puts everything above in a small range 15-22, worse still, tabs, crown caps and €2 = 15-16???. They just seam to have crammed a whole VDI range into 2 VDI  numbers???

What do the £1 and £2 ring up on the Equinox?

I dig quite a few UK 20p coins, 99% I know what it is before digging, I only dig them just in case it might be a gold ring.

Its the same for all other detectors, ie Fisher, AKA, Rutus, Garreth Whites even other Minelabs, I have used there, not just the Deus. 

[niceguyfrankie]

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What do the £1 and £2 ring up on the Equinox?

I found £1 = 22 and £2 = 23 nice higher numbers so I know it should be a good find, however I understand about the old ring tabs coming in at 14 which is 9ct gold as well but its a learning curve ill have to get used to I guess.

[vive equinox]

Allez dans la pause de ton.  

T2=13

t3 =14

t4 = 23 

with that , all your euros coins have the same sound . Include the 2 euros.  

the pulltab have different sound .

you can adjust with tone  pitch and tone volume.  For example a bassy tone on the t2.  The pulltab sound generallywith the bassy sound and 2 others différents sound. The 2 euros sound High like the 1 e and 50 ct. 

You  cant go wrong with this settings. 

For the caps beer,  it's easy To ear. There are 3 know method. 

This settings work Well in beach, i dont try in other mode.  Test it. 

The problem in beach,  a gold ring can be in the pulltab id.  So ....