Steve Herschbach

It is the same coil. Coils with a solid housing get caught less on sticks and rocks. Coils with holes (open spoke or "spider" coils) are a little bit lighter. Same coil, different housing design. Open spoke coils often offer a closed skid plate design as an option giving you the best of both worlds, though the depressions on top often collect sticks, grass, and other small debris.

In my opinion the MX Sport is more closely related to the MX5 than any MXT variants. Though there are similarities in mode names and settings they really are different detectors, and what works on an MXT may or may not work well on an MX Sport. People with MXT experience may be at a disadvantage with the MX Sport as far as expectations. My advice is just treat the MX Sport as a totally new detector.

Well done Tom! Thank you for putting that together and thank you to White's for the support!!

I think most everyone with only a few exceptions is still an MX Sport rookie. What settings work best for you gambler? Paul favored the Prospecting Mode....

Thanks Carl!!

I will see what I can find out. Nothing anywhere on the internet I could find. And by the way, all commercially available coils for the Gold Bug 2 have been concentric coils, not DD coils. With the exception of prototypes I have never heard of a DD coil for the Gold Bug 2. The Gold Bug Pro on the other hand normally uses DD coils.

Well, it is back to a question of the nature of the gold nuggets you are chasing. If the gold is small an AT Gold will have an even harder time finding it. It might be an easier machine to master but not as hot on small gold. You have a good detector now you just need to learn it. If finding gold was easy everyone would have a bucket full.

First of all the Gold Racer is a very high performance detector. Make life easy on yourself and do not head straight for highly mineralized ground. I am a big fan of familiarizing myself with new nugget detectors by hitting the nearest location with sand - sand boxes, volleyball courts, freshwater beaches, etc. or schoolyard equipment areas with wood chips. Now just dig everything that goes beep and learn the machine. The main goal believe it or not is to see how small an aluminum item you can find. Aluminum is a good gold surrogate. Target ID stability is a function of numerous things. The hotter a detector, the more numbers jump around. Also, the more numbers the scale is divided into makes a huge difference. A detector with only 12 segments or target ID numbers or "bins" will have more solid locks than a detector that divides the same scale into 100 segments. The more mineralized the ground, the jumpier the numbers. If there is electrical interference it can lead to instability. And with nugget detectors in particular, the smaller the nugget, the harder to get a lock. The higher the sensitivity setting, the more erratic the numbers usually but sometimes more sensitivity can firm targets up once you acquire the target. I have been known to use the fast mode switching on the Gold Racer to set one disc mode up with moderate sensitivity and the other jacked up. I might hunt with the more moderate mode then flip to the hotter mode to see if it gets a better hit and therefore better ID lock. Smaller coils can see less ground and sharpen up target responses. Be sure the coil cable near the coil is firmly fixed in place and connector quite snug to the control box. Any looseness can cause instability. All of this matters but what matter most perhaps is coil control. The sweep speed, centering of the target, and distance from coil varies every single swing. If you were a robot you would get perfect target locks because the swing would be 100% the same each time. The best thing you can do is go to that nearby sandbox and practice swinging on a tiny target. The more consistent your swing, the tighter the spread will be in the numbers. Note that as the target gets larger, it is easier to get solid locks. A scrape of the surface with a boot to get the coil even an inch closer can make a big difference. Almost all good detectorists first acquire the target, then work it carefully to firm up the target ID numbers. Mental averaging is applied and the numbers that come up most zero you in on the ID. In theory 0-40 is ferrous and hot rocks. 40-100 non-ferrous. In reality I find hot rocks normally come up with very low numbers in the teens or lower. Common small ferrous trash will hit fairly hard at about 21. Numbers under 21 I ignore. Targets that give a consistent near 21 reading are ferrous. Anything that refuses to lock at 21 and dances around above that I normally dig. If I am cherry picking I will only dig targets that give solid readings of about 35 and higher but resist the urge to get too picky unless buried in trash. The reality is hot VLF detectors get harder to use the more the ground mineralization increases, and there is a point where even experts will struggle. This is the reason PI detectors exist and machines like the SDC 2300 can handle ground with ease that drives hot VLF detectors bonkers. If you are dealing with hot rocks, the trigger method of ground balancing does ok but manually shifting the setting up or down slightly can help reduce the hot rock signals and increasing iSAT can help. Automatic tracking is sort of a last resort but can smooth responses considerably if needed. You must experiment! A small test nugget or aluminum or lead surrogate glued to a poker chip can be invaluable for finding settings that best enhance your test target while most reducing ground and hot rock noises. Do not be afraid to lower sensitivity! Finally, the Gold Racer is very much like a Whites GMT but with target ID. See pages 18 - 21 of the GMT Owners Manual for tips that apply just as much to the Gold Racer as the GMT. I hope this helps. I hate to say it but I am not too optimistic about the realities of nugget detecting in Maine. What kind of gold size have you found panning and dredging? Do you know people who have had success detecting gold nuggets in Maine? It is possible to find sub-grain gold with detectors but if that is all there is panning, sluicing, or dredging may just make more sense. For me the main reason for using a detector is the possibility of larger gold, but detectors unfortunately can't make the stuff.

Frequency shift is for the mitigation of electrical interference from outside sources. If two Gold Racers are run close together they will interfere with each other, and simply shifting one or the other to a slightly different frequency can help deal with that. Despite what the manual says the shift is so small it has minimal impact on the actual performance of the detector. Gold Racer Owners Manual page 19:

Welcome to the forum! I have a long response to this but am busy at the moment. Give me a couple hours. In addition to answering Pauls settings question, what number or numbers are you predominately seeing?

So the 15, 30, and 55 kHz are round figures, with actual frequencies per Andy 14.5, 29, and 53 kHz? Or a typo? Not a big deal except for spec lists like this.... Gold Bug 2 = 71kHz Eureka Gold = 60 kHz Gold Racer = 56 kHz Deus V4 = 53 kHz (55 kHz) GMT = 48 Khz This is in French but it shows the two new coils plus how the coil battery integrates into the lower rod. If you do not know French jump to the 1:20 minute mark where they actually start to show the coils. If you do know French perhaps you can enlighten us that do not to tidbits offered in the discussion.

I agree Rick. The TDI coin trick thing is more an oddball quirk to play with for those that already own the machine. It negates the depth of the machine to use it set up like that and any VLF would do as well or better. The OP has probably already found everything with his MXT that the TDI with the "coin settings" might find. I have coin hunted for targets deeper than a VLF will reach by using the TDI with normal settings that retain depth and just dug the low tones only, isolated targets with no double beeps, just a nice round low tone. This will get some deep high conductor silver and copper coins but it only works where there are not lots of deep nails. We do have some parks here that are not full of nails. For most locations and coin hunting scenarios though a good VLF is the preferred option.

Is the GEB switch set to on? Coin Detecting With White's TDI

Hmmmm.... Looks to be same mold as 5.3 Eclipse coil made for decades, should be same scuff cover https://www.whiteselectronics.com/product/cover-for-6x6-5-3-search-coil/

I have not but I almost never checked the battery when I had my SDC. It either ran all day and got charged at night, or on a long day ran dead, which meant quitting time. And then charge that night.

Thanks, Great video but posted recently at

Valid points Kemper and frankly all brought up on this forum long ago before it became the issue of the day on other forums. In my opinion the 2016 year model of the MX Sport is forever under a cloud when it comes to resale if nothing else, purely because there is no way at this time to know what is what. Certainly White's has an obligation to do what they can to contact all existing owners of the MX Sport to advise them of the issues and the owners options.

DEUS coils typically sell for $400 - $500. It is possible these new coils could be a bit more.

Hi Jason, If I am I do not know about it yet! Honestly I am too busy anyway so I vote for nvchris instead of me. One would hope real prospectors will be involved. However, you can bet the main impetus for this was Africa so the testing may go on over there.

The Deus is not multi frequency but it is selectable frequency. Multi frequency is processing two or more frequencies simultaneously. Selectable frequency you select one of several frequencies to use. I am disappointed however that what was to be a product release is in reality just an announcement of more work to do and a product release at some future date to be announced. And since delays happen... I guess bottom line is something new for next season.

All I can say is "55 kHz WOW!" I was not expecting that! Going to be interesting for sure.

https://www.whiteselectronics.com/product/6-concentric-gmt-coil-micro-tireur/ DETAILS Previously only available in Africa, this 6 inch “Micro Shooter” coil for White’s GMT has been made available for the general public as requested. It’s been called “The Patch-Killer,” “That French Coil,” or “I Can’t Pronounce the Name,” but tireur is French for shooter. If you are after every bit of gold in an area, this shooter coil belongs in your GMT’s arsenal. Specially-tuned for mineralized ground, this nugget-sniping loop is a beast on small gold. Coupled with the GMT’s high 48kHz frequency, it’s highly sensitive to the smallest flakes of gold your machine can detect. The small profile makes it ideal for detecting in brush or rocky hill-sides, and with the small detection window you can more easily pick through tailing piles and areas with bits of iron from past mining operations. SKU: 801-3250-1 $149.95

From http://www.xpmetaldetectors.com/blog-detection/en/update-deus/deus-product-information-and-news/ DEUS: Product information and NEWS We are proud to announce some new accessories and software for XP DEUS which will be available on the market in a few months. They will be demonstrated at the XP European Rally in the UK which takes place on 17-18th of September, and also at the Exhibition for Metal Detection which will take place in Paris on the 8_9th of October 2016. New ! PINPOINTER XP MI-6 New ! Optional 22.5cm (9inch) search coil operating at high frequencies New ! Optional ELLIPTICAL search coil operating at high frequencies. New ! V4.0 software free to download. New ! Software application Go Detect New optional search coils: Elliptical High Frequency & 9" Round HF These 2 new optional coils are specialized for hunting small targets in mineralized ground, they will the Deus search coil range. They will operate on 3 higher frequencies 15 KHZ, 30 KHZ or 55 KHZ far more efficient when searching for gold. All coils will be supplied with a lithium battery with a higher capacity. The new battery is integrated into the lower stem tube and offer a longer battery life, which is especially useful when searching remote area’s with no available charging facilities. SOFTWARE V.4.0 These latest additions can be found in the V 4.0 software: Compatibility with MI-6 Pinpointer. Compatibility with the 2 new optional high frequency search coils (15, 30 or 55 kHz). Improved mineralization rejection. Reactivity level 3 is more efficient. A more versatile Reactivity level of 2.5. Advanced Reactivity levels for program N°10 GOLDFIELD. Improved identification on large iron targets. Better ground tracking, now independent to the current Reactivity level. Tones can be adjusted to reach 1000 Hz. Target ID Normalization feature is now incorporated into the headphones. Go Detect app for smartphones is now compatible with the Deus, featuring a tracking display, user target information and their GPS coordinates. The MI-6 PINPOINTER The new XP Pinpointer known as the MI-6, will have the following innovative features: – Rechargeable Lithium Polymer battery – Submersible up to 20 feet – Connection via radio link to the DEUS with the following advantages (patents pending): The audio signal from the pin pointer is transmitted directly to the DEUS remote control and headphones. Anti -Interference system between the MI-6 and the DEUS: The Deus switches to Standby mode when MI-6 is activated and comes back to ON when the MI-6 is switched off. The Deus display will automatically switch to the MI-6 display when the MI-6 is switched on. The MI-6 has a very long battery life – Up to 90 hours. Research mode is accessed from the Deus V4 menu it recovers a lost MI-6. If you lose your MI-6, you can locate it even if it is switched off….even after several weeks the alarm will sound. The Deus menu will have a full range of MI-6 adjustments giving the operator full control such as : · 50 levels of Sensitivity · Sound mode : Pitch or Bleep · Audio Tone Adjustments. · Pinpointing – target zoom graph · Research Mode to locate a lost MI-6 · On screen Battery Level indication FAQ: Q: Should I wait for the new version 4.0 to be released before I buy a DEUS? I have been told there are changes to the electronic components. Will my current DEUS – coil-remote control-headphones be compatible with this next version or do I need to change them? A : No the product hardware will be the same, the new V4.0 update is software only and will be downloadable for free, it will work with all previous DEUS! The original coils, headphones and remote control will work with the new version 4.0 update, although some new menu features will not be accessible unless the new accessories are connected. Q: Will I have to move my DEUS to V4.0? A: It is your choice, you can stay in version 2.0 or 3.2 if you want, but the Version 4.0 will be necessary to connect and run the new HF optional coil and Pinpointer. Q : Can I use the XP MI-6 Pinpointer even if don’t own a DEUS? A: Yes of course, the MI-6 can work alone like a traditional Pinpointer thanks to its speaker, vibrator, LED, 6 programs, 3 sensitivity levels, 2 audio modes. Q: How do I make the Pinpointer communicate wirelessly with the DEUS ? A: This is a simple process – Choose program number 7 on the Pinpointer, the speaker will then be disabled and the sound will be send automatically to the DEUS Remote or headphones. Also the pin pointer has a dedicated menu which appears instantaneously on the Deus remote display when it is in operation. The operator can make a full range of adjustments to the pin pointers sound and operation from the Deus remote. Q: Are there any other XP accessories to be released soon? A: Nothing else is planned at the moment. The optional Hoard Hunter 2 box system for the DEUS is currently delayed. As you know the DEUS uses highly advanced technology, which in turn offers high levels of performance. These new accessories and software updates will once again take the Deus to a new level. The Deus technology is very different to many other products available on todays market. However due to the technical aspects involved, time is needed to research and develop our products in order to maintain our very high standards. A test phase will take place in October and November 2016, and then, we will be able to announce a launch date. We would like to say thank you for your patience and for supporting XP!

The MX Sport does detect metal and does so at good depth in mineralized ground - for a VLF. Any knowledgeable operator should be able to use the machine and make good finds. So yes, it does work. It does however has its quirks. The modulation function is one of those quirks. My assumption is the firmware is still as it was at last report and that there may be issues for people for whom modulation is an important feature. There is a point where a machine is what it is unless proven otherwise. If modulation is a big deal, simply do not buy an MX Sport. I think Tom is gone for the weekend so a little patience might be in order.

Well, isn't that a sneaky little surprise! https://www.whiteselectronics.com/product/6-concentric-gmt-coil-micro-tireur/ DETAILS Previously only available in Africa, this 6 inch “Micro Shooter” coil for White’s GMT has been made available for the general public as requested. It’s been called “The Patch-Killer,” “That French Coil,” or “I Can’t Pronounce the Name,” but tireur is French for shooter. If you are after every bit of gold in an area, this shooter coil belongs in your GMT’s arsenal. Specially-tuned for mineralized ground, this nugget-sniping loop is a beast on small gold. Coupled with the GMT’s high 48kHz frequency, it’s highly sensitive to the smallest flakes of gold your machine can detect. The small profile makes it ideal for detecting in brush or rocky hill-sides, and with the small detection window you can more easily pick through tailing piles and areas with bits of iron from past mining operations. SKU: 801-3250-1 $149.95