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No I use 1 region all tones with normal audio, profile medium. Don't care for the prospecting audio.

Yea I personally use deep most of the time and have done since I got the Manticore.

It's not your volume it's the audio profile under audio themes. Here's a video to show you what's happening and how to change it.

Don't know that I would buy a metal detector from Amazon. But I do buy a lot from them and I'm totally pleased with their delivery and service. If you have a problem with a purchase, they take it back no questions asked and I can drop the item off at my local Kohl's store. They box it up and ship it, absolutely no hassle from them at all. Sadly it looks like the metal detector companies are moving away from dealers. Not saying dealers have put themselves in this situation, but I can tell you I'm really sick of going to 3 or 4 different stores looking for something in particular and not being able to find it. Get on Amazon, find the item and have it delivered next day. I get that a store can't have everything in stock but this happens even with the most common items.

I can agree with that. You never said you were hunting black sand. But good to hear beach deep does the trick.

Better watch it Steve, they'll want all your gold you find to let you back across the boarder.

Beach deep or beach low conductor is about the same where I use it. Tom Dankowski is also saying beach low conductor on his beaches. So I guess if you're seeing something different it's kind of strange. Now on coins I'd say yes use a different mode but who hunts for coins on a beach? In that case though I have found beach general and seawater go a bit deeper on high conductors like quarters.

No not at all. Good discussions and learning. I'm probably not that good at relaying what I'm seeing. Not saying it's magic or anything, but I have seen similar things happen even on the old Whites 6DB I owned back in the 80"s. You could literally disc out a pipe and find silver/copper coins right next to or on top of them in the ground. Had to use the same X system to pinpoint the location.

Yea I think it is working kind of like that. With the Deus 2 I had been running a combination of notch, silencer and bottle cap reject in ghost towns. It literally has been silencing most of the nails, bottle caps and flat tin. One target in particular that turned out to be a Barber quarter was in a mess of nails and flat tin. I got a 94-97 TID and clean audio, started going through the soft dirt left by bottle diggers it was in and pulled out a piece of flat tin thinking that was the target. But when I waved it over the coil no sound. Went back over the area and still get a 94-97 and clean audio, dig with my fingers again and out pops a Barber quarter, surprised the heck out of me. And yes that one is on video. So one thing that I think is better on the Deus 2 in regards to using notch, is the audio is not as clipped when using PWM, a more rounded audio and much more descriptive. Where as the Manticore/Equinox sounds clipped or choppy. So one other thing I will bring up. Running this disc program on the Manticore in parks with basically everything except IHP and above and nickels open. When you pass over some closely spaced targets such as a coin (accepted) and pull tab (rejected). You will see the pull tab on the trace but won't hear it and the pull tab will have it's own separate trace from the coin. But the audio will be clipped. When I have opened up the screen on some of these the trace now looks like a long smear from where the pull tab starts and the coin ends. Also the VDI becomes more jumpy and audio funky (if running prospecting audio you don't notice the audio being funky) Doesn't happen every time but has happened more than once.

So that's the other thing I have been noticing on deep targets running iron audio off. That ground noise gets cleaned up in my soil and the target is a lot cleaner sounding. But here again if I turned the iron audio down, the difference might not be that defined.

Probably didn't give enough information on the first post about this and it might seem a bit more clear cut that it really is. To address pinpoint first, there is no difference in the way the target pinpointed with disc on vs disc off. Second, when I run an open screen I have my ferrous volume turned up quite a bit and that is probably one reason it's harder to tell a comingled target for me. So I should probably turn that down. But when disc is implemented I only hear the targets that are in the open screen and I would say they sound more clipped than they do studdery like they do on the Equinox. Look at Rattlehead's video and you can see how it acts. Third, Audio was all over the place running open screen 1 region all tones and the ID was mostly high single digits with an occasional high number spike. Disc on cleaned those ID's up to mostly 78-80. Possibly could make that sound better by running prospecting audio. Finally, the target trace when open is is quite a bit more active than when running a disc pattern. From what I can remember, on this particular target when the screen was open I had a big blob that was almost S shaped that went from left lower limits, smeared across the middle line over to where the dime ID was and then straight up to the right top of upper limits. There were also various other small black dots in a few places on the screen. When the disc pattern was implemented I clearly remember it changing to two separate traces, one in the left lower limits and one that went from the top of the screen to the center line at about where a dime would ID. Galvanized pipe is steel with a zinc coating so kind of a unique target setup here. Decided to add a drawing of kind of what I saw.

Don't agree with Loren I'll elaborate leter.

Sorry can't contribute anything at the moment. We got 12" of snow yesterday and there was already 12" on most of my relic sites.

Yes mineralization can change everything and I don't have a place I hunt that's not at least moderate mineralization. But I'm not overly concerned about it either as most of my gold hunting these days is done with the GPX 6000. The more I use the Manticore the less I'm picking up the 900 and I already sold the 800. So I may eventually just end up with the Manticore out of the 2 at some point.

Agree with that. I've tried to stay relatively optimistic as I learn the machine. I really think a person needs at least 100 hours on it before they can even get an idea of what the Manticore is all about. I've tried to only made statements about places I've used the machine like beach hunting and now park hunting. Gold and relic hunting I haven't had enough time to have an opinion yet. Some feel like the Manticore won't be able to compete with the Equinox on small gold. But I'm really not seeing that in my limited time testing it on gold. Got to get it in gold country to really have an official yes or no on that one. I should know how it handles heavy iron in a few weeks at some relic sites. But yea I think it's one of the best VLF's Minelab has come out with to date.

Thanks Jeff for your efforts. It's not easy doing detector comparisons and to put that on video is even more work. Especially in public parks. It's not like you can leave 2 or 3 detectors laying around in a park these days while you switch off from one to the other and compare targets. There's always people that walk up to see what you're doing, ask questions, beg for change, see what you found, etc. I've had kids grab stuff out of the hole and run off before you even know what happened.

Prospecting audio theme is a single tone mode. It sounds just like the Equinox in the prospecting programs. I don't particularly like it unless I'm hunting gold nuggets. Everything you go over sounds the same, so to me it's harder to distinguish iron false from a real deep target. But it might work fine for other. My hearing is not as good as it was when I was younger.

I'm not digging much iron at all beach hunting. But I'm also running Beach Deep, stock ferrous limits, all metal, 1 region all tones, normal audio, profile medium. With the prospecting mode I can see how it might be harder to distinguish non-ferrous from ferrous. Try turning your iron audio up as suggested by others.

Not in the near future, for a few reason. I'm limited by frozen ground and parks in the valley are one of the few places I can hunt. But I hate doing videos in public parks (have you ever seen me do a park video?) it attracts to much attention. We are also expecting 6-12" of snow tomorrow and I expect that will be around for a few weeks. By that time I will be going to 2 hunts back East hunting relics, which I will be doing videos of. However, I'm planning on using the Deus 2 at the one hunt and the GPX 6000 at the other. Rattlehead should get the credit for what I'm using. Watch his video it will show a similar setup to what I'm using.

Everyone is going to have there own preferences. I personally always hunt in all tones and my recovery speed is most likely less than most people like as well. But your right everyone needs to use what settings work for them. I can tell you for absolute certain on a 6" deep clad dime I dug today, you wouldn't have heard it running horseshoe on. There was an old galvanized sprinkler pipe in the ground at a park I was hunting today. I past over the target in the disc pattern I made with iron audio off and got a clear 78-80 ID and audio, target trace showed a line top of the screen down to the center line. But when I went to open screen the audio got funky and the ID dropped to single digits and trace splattered all over. When I pinpointed I got nothing but a long signal running away from where I got the original signal both directions. So I went back to the disc pattern and got the same dime like ID. I thought this sounds to good to be the pipe. I ended up pinpointing the target by crossing the target at 30 degree angles from the pipe and drew an X, dug down and sure enough there was a dime at about 6". All I know is I'm doing way better with the Manticore now than I was a few weeks ago hunting parks. I was chasing way to many deep nails, now I'm not digging any. Maybe I'm missing stuff, but I know for a fact I'm also picking stuff up that I would have missed otherwise.

For me I like 3. But that will be different for everyone. I can't answer that question for anyone but myself.

Yes no iron audio at all. Part 2 not just hearing only iron. But the non ferrous target is so clipped by the iron grunt that you just think it's a false off iron. Turn off iron audio and now the audio and ID is much cleaner. I have not been just relying on this technique. It's a combination of running iron audio off and then switch it on to see if iron is present. Then try and isolated 2 targets with pinpoint. Still in the experiment stage, but from what I've seen so far I'm liking it.

I think everyone's comfort level vs recovery speed is different. Swing speed and trash density has a lot to do with what recovery speed you use. In the past I would run reactivity on the Deus 1 at 4 in high trash and 3 in open terrain. But I eventually noticed something. At ghost towns with high trash I would actually see targets sitting on top of the ground that I wouldn't hear. Wow! how much stuff am I passing over I can't see? The audio on the Deus becomes so clipped that you can no longer pick up good target in the trash. And in open fields with moderate to no trash depth was cut at reactivity of 3. So what I did is slow down and drop those recovery speeds. This also translates over to the Equinox/Manticore. I have played with recovery speed over live targets quite a bit over the last few years and found that 3 is doable and gets me the best depth/separation on most targets. If it's real bad I will go up to 4, rarely above that. 2 and below on the Equinox/Manticore is a no go. What works for me might not work for others but I have trained my ears to use 3 in most areas and have done quite well with that setting.

Jeff I'm actually starting to like the Manticore in my dirt. It's heads above the Explorer/eTarc as far as performance goes in bad ground because of it's faster processing. I was simply saying that it does better when you run disc patterns and iron mask like you would on a Explorer/eTarc. The 188? IHP I dug yesterday was a solid 8" deep and I never dig coins that deep in my parks. And the signal was clean with very little up-averaging. 6" is the standard depth you could count on getting a decent signal on. 7" dimes and pennies have always gone to high numbers on the Equinox with an occasional accurate number flashing, but it was always a crap shoot. It's probably going to be different for every type of soil. But I think there is enough adjustment options on the Manticore that you can make it perform with decent results. Once my reiic sites open up, that will be the tell all for me. Still not sure how it's going to handle iron polluted sites.

Yea I've been trying to run it like the Equinox in parks, when really it needs to run more like an Explorer or eTrac. Took a couple other peoples videos to open my closed mind up. Sorry I just assume most people know the reference is to the T2 or F75 mineral scale. It goes from 0-no minerals to 6 extreme mineralization.