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Cris ... if you want to use the Goldmaster 24k for coin and relic hunting ... you will have to first think about what type of coin you are looking for ... If you are moving in the territory of the old world.,,, then the Goldmaster 24k..can really be used for polishing small hammered silver hammered coins /low and medium conductive coins/...as well as some bronze artifacts - which are often low-conductive...and searching for possible golden targets... but consider that the VDI of targets can rise faster to the value of 95-99 on deep targets... - because the normalization of VDI is calibrated for this detector to - its natural frequency of 48 khz.. Goldmaster 24K with a 6x10" DD coil has no problem hitting and giving a good signal with VDI on my low-mineralized test field on a small 14mm silver earring at 20cm, a small 14mm -0.45 gram silver hammered coin at 23cm, and a 0.05 gram small gold eyelet measuring 4x5mm on 10 cm into the ground... we can say that this detector is optimized for such targets.. On the other hand, expect a smaller range on highly conductive targets such as highly conductive silver and copper coins /from silver dimes to silver dollars / ... because the Garret 24K by working at 48khz has a naturally reduced range on these highly conductive targets, but also because... these targets, which initially have a very high VDI, move faster with the depth of storage to the Vrap/to the iron zone/.. In practical detection, working with the goldmaster is pleasant, mainly because it eliminates iron quite well, and using the higher discrimination set to 63... allows you to eliminate certain targets made of aluminum foil, even if not all... In my opinion, if a 9"-11" round DD coil was available on the gold master, the possibilities of the detector for searching for coins would be significantly enhanced... because a larger coil increases the sensitivity of each detector for high-conductive coins.. For curiosity's sake, the VDI value of some golden targets in the airtest..: You can also use the Goldmaster 24K to detect coins, but be aware that this detector will be more sensitive to low-conductive and medium-conductive targets.

Higher TX performance is not new for detectors,, from my detectors I have TX Bost Whites Spectra V3 detectors, then the Vista Gold Gain 30 khz detector in bost mode,, and the AKA Signum MFD detector...in Turbo Mode... All these 3 detectors, in addition to the possibility of turning on the TX boost, also have a manually adjustable RX Gain, so you can really adapt these detectors to field conditions... There are terrains where turning on the increased TX boost will work much better than normal TX... mostly in mild and moderately difficult terrain conditions... where it will work really excellently and will actually increase the range by 10-15..% more.. ..These are also certainly terrains that absorb the power of the detector... and work with a TX boost will really be more effective in depth... a depth that you cannot reach without a TX boost... In highly mineralized terrains, increased TX may no longer be the best option, but it can still work quite well... provided that we set the RX gain on the detector to a sufficiently low level.. In practice, the increased TX bost is really quite usable... with the exception of terrains with very high mineralization... and moderate and moderately demanding terrains will bring a real depth bonus.. ...If the weather is good... at the end of the week... then I will have the opportunity to test the Manticore,, as well as my Equinox 800 and possibly the CTX,,, on moderate but also on heavily mineralized terrain... so I will be able to write something about Manticore...

I'll note on the side... when I did ATX testing a when I last year ..on a 12x10DCD coil. on targets of 0.1 gram of gold and less.,, and I compared it with a smaller classic coil 5x10"DD Infinium coil.... I quickly understood the advantage this type of coil is used for ATX and now for Axiom... and I saw a hidden potential in it... because the 12X10" coil had an excellent range on larger targets and at the same time proved to be more sensitive on very small targets than the 5x10 DD infinium coil.. . if Garret makes a smaller 5x8" DCD coil for the Axiom of similar construction... then such a coil will be able to increase the sensitivity on small targets even more... in its size category..

I think ... that the difference between high-end multi-frequency and 1F detectors is not great ... even on reasonably deep targets ... or the separation of a target in iron ... it's more about ... how experienced and knowledgeable the detectorist is with your detector... And it's not only about detecting the target...and comparing detectors on good targets,,, but it's more about how much unwanted waste it digs up for one good target found...that means how many iron bottle caps, and aluminum foil, or even small ones you have to dig up pieces of non-ferrous metals to dig up a coin, for example... I call it the efficiency of the detector.... and it can already differ significantly between individual detectors,,, and for me it is one of the essential things in a certain type of detection.. ....These properties will depend on the terrain,,,, on a clean terrain with almost no waste, the differences between the detectors can be very small... but in other situations I will prefer a detector that can deliver good findings to my table... And as Steve says..... you will have significantly more finds with your old detector in new terrain... than in really heavily traveled terrain with the newest detector... that's a clear fact... Heavily traversed terrain requires... the use of several different detector settings and the use of at least 3-4 different sized coils... because even the best detector cannot detect everything well on only one standard 11" coil... Finally, I want to say something... Every technically excellent current high-class multifrequency detector can have an edge and detect better in a certain type of Terrain, or in a certain type of detection..... and here for some one detector can work better than the other. PS.....I think Loren gives good information...but clearly the comparison of detectors on 500-1000 targets...I take that with a certain reserve...I think he didn't mean it literally...👍 ...In my comparisons, I look more at what the second detector finds in the field after the previous detector,,, and also how much ferrous and non-ferrous waste will be picked up by one and the other detector....

I have bought a few coils from Kevin for my detectors,,, the last time it was a small 4" CC coil for my Tesoro Mojave..and Everything has always been fine..I have seen the Sierra on offer... I like to read his blog ... for several years ...

... something to think about,,,, there are many excellent 1-frequency detectors that excel in separation and depth of detection,,, that X-tera Pro can be one of them.. but that will be seen in the tests with the first users.. The possibility to combine and use coils from the Equinox and Vanquish series can also be a strong reason to buy X-tera pro.. but it also points out how powerful a tool Minelab's targeted marketing is... Likewise, I wouldn't see a problem using, for example, coils for ETRAC on my CTX 3030... if MInelab took a similar step... On the other hand, not using the frequency of 20 and 40 khz - hints X - Terra does not feel like a gold prospecting machine with a true all metal mode .... I mean in this price category ... what is the change compared to the old X Tera 705 ... Minelab may be preparing a place for its new gold prospecting machine.. The new construction does not surprise me... I myself use the Vanquish 340... not as a detector with an S rod but as a detector with a straight rod.. One thing is certain... 1 frequency detectors are not yet at all .. outdated...👍 As they say here..."never say never"...!!! But on the other hand, it must be said that multi-frequency and single frequency have their strengths as well as weaknesses..... it depends on the terrain,,, EMI..,, and the type of detection... Because both of these options 1F frekvency and Multi F frekvency , if they are well optimized...they are already Technically...better "Predisposed" for a certain type of detection situation...!!! where most of the advantage ...of one of the Alternatives is redeemed by the fact that it is...: "Something for Something" .....

Simon .. I have one question for you... what results do you get with the Manticore and Equinox on 11" coils in the #9 lead shot in test? ...since I have done many such comparisons on my detectors over time...so I am interested....

This video from Andrew /Abenson/..clearly shows ... that the sensitivity of the manticore to small golds is slightly lower than that of the Equinox 900, on the same size 11" coils ... ....Thank you for the test..👍 ..Andrew.... do you think that the situation can change.... if the test were done on smaller coils..?/ but for manticore we have to wait for a small 5.5x8" coil../

Kac..... you have a chance to level up ,,, with George... but I have to admit that 6 detectors is a good basis for that...👍... P.s .....What I like about George is that he uses detectors from different manufacturers for detection... from all over the world... and he has an overview of what each detector can do,,, and what are its strengths... in of the given detection..👍...

Now the question is who will be the target customer of X-Terry pro... and there is still the question of price-performance...

X-terra Pro..I was interested in the beach program...I think this program can have a multi-frequency element?.. /elimination of terrain-water conductivity?/ ....other programs can run on one selectable frequency....it is such a competition to Deus1/ORX...but also to other detector manufacturers... Personally, I think this is how the first Vanquish should have looked... The shape of the coils is identical to the one from the Vanquish line...so now I have a question...will the Vanquish and XTerra Pro coils be compatible?.. ...never underestimate single frequency detectors.... the ratio of my gold coins found by single frequency detector to multi frequency detector... is 11 gold coins for 1F frequency detectors... and 7 gold coins for Multifrequency detectors...

Jeff the question is ... what does Steve mean by the word ... "small non-ferrous materials" ... ist 0.1 gram, 0.3 gram?, 0.5 gram.., or something just under 1 gram gold ? For example, in my tests on a very small earring made of white 18K gold /very demanding target/ the 9" HF coil does not increase the range when using 30/54 khz on this earring, the range is 1.5cm max - but the signal quality improves.. With a small elliptical 5.5x9.5 HF coil, the range is already linearly greater ....-according to the higher frequency used... so I feel that the 9" coil - Deus2. can work similarly...

George...I believe I have a similar view on this hobby.. as you... .Alone.. I have 26 Detectors...+coils.... I completely understand you.... even if the development of detectors is moving forward.... each of these detectors has its own detection logic... and it can be really good in some situations ...especially in combination with a good coil.. Detectors : 4x Garrett,5x Whites,5x Rutus,4x Minelab, 1xAKA, 3x XP, 1xTesoro, 1xDeeptech..,1x Fisher/Teknetics, 1xGolden Mask, .. will also come.. 27..? we will see... I like the detection options..and the detection philosophy of various manufacturers...as well as I see their pluses..and possibly also disadvantages..in detection..compared to other detectors..-signal quality, audio, discrimination quality and VDI accuracy, for example - even in separation... This also makes you think ... how can the new detectors be further improved, which are starting to be really very universal.. ..but many times it turns out..that even an older detector with the right coil... continues to meet really well the deep requirements for a current performance detector... For example... my first detector..... which I had the opportunity to use and detect../in 2011 year/ for some time... and now mine is -Garrett GTI 2500.. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-xbivYJYP_8

.....The dice are rolled...

Wireless coil, wireless RC Unit, and wireless WS headphones/ and wireless pinpointer / are an important attribute of the XP Company in the Deus1-2/ORX detectors about how a modern detector should look and work. It's hard to object to such a procedure, if such a detector is technically successful..., and works really well... and this procedure makes it possible to make a really lightweight detector... the only disadvantage may be that the coils are more expensive than classic coils with a cable... on the other hand, the same procedure allows you to easily make a lite version of the detector where only the coil and the WS4-6 headphone module are needed... Even though I own many high-end detectors whit cable coils - where I strongly value the truly universal possibility of using affordable additional coils... which makes it possible to significantly strengthen the already good detection properties of these detectors.. .... simply wired and wireless coils have their pluses and minuses.. but each of these options can be used well..

Rattlehead......How would you compare the CTX3030 with the large 13x17" coil to the Manticore with the 11" coil? That question...really...is...drilling...in my head.. Otherwise... You have nice videos of detection and testing of detectors in real detection... and immediately after that you dig up the target... which I like very much... and I consider it really correct and fair... 👍 ...Thank you for your review of the Manticore after 50 hours... and its evaluation in detection because I am a strong supporter of the use of increased TX on detectors... as a significant element of improving the depth of detection especially with multi-frequency detectors..

I'm typing it on the Vanquish/Equinox 800/600 multi tech.......now as a new X-terra model..that would cover Minelab's entire line of detectors...except for the Go find model line which can also be modified to a multi tech ...Vanquish .... ....the sliding handle system itself in the new X terra is from the Vanquish model. - it is from the Vanquish model line....

Another one of the basic principles in increasing the TX performance... is certainly the reduction of the gain in the receiving part of the RX signal... and then the detector can work effectively even in relatively strongly mineralized soil... I had no problem running the Whites Spectra V3 in mineralized soil /6-bar/ with TX boost ON and a very low RX gain of 1-2 max!!!.. with really good detection results... Another advantage when increasing the TX is... that some types of terrain can greatly dampen the transmitting TX signal... ,, and increasing the RX gain itself "has no effect.. because from the very increase of RX gain on the receiving coil .. .of course you also increase the earth's mineralization response and Emi's response... I will give an example with the Whites Spectra V3... where when the TX boost is turned on, the detection properties of this detector can be improved very significantly... in a certain area... and which you will never achieve when using TX Normal... Now to the sensitivity setting for Manticore, which has settings up to 35 max.... Keep in mind that the Manticore will also use smaller coils than the standard 11" coil... and therefore it is possible that on smaller coils you will be able to set a slightly higher sensitivity than is possible with an 11" standard coil in the given terrain... I say so from experience with Equinox and other detectors I own...

GB_Amateur... yes, you are right... to measure the actual working frequencies of multi-frequency detectors, I use an oscilloscope with the possibility of measuring with the help of FFT, on the condition that you measure the actual TX current of the test detector, and not the TX voltage... of the detector... this is how you get the truth information about the frequencies at which the multi-frequency detector really works. In this way, you can even compare quite accurately, for example, how Etrac and CTX work on their different channels 1-11/ shift of working frequencies in multi-frequency .. where you will find that the difference of the highest frequency between the lowest channel 1 and the highest channel 11 is at the upper working frequency of up to 5 khz.. /23khz vs 28khz/.. and that's why the opinion of some detectorists... who claim that channel 11 is the most sensitive to small gold... can be true. ....And now to the test itself, where I wanted to check one thing and specifically that... it seemed to me that the CTX in some field depth tests on the test field that I know... had a better range on the 50 euro cent coin at 35 cm... than on a similar size.. silver coin at the same depth... On the test image..blue marked 50 euro cent, gray marked silver coin... similar and the same size as 50 euro cent... .....This matches my colleague Mike's tests....on his test field for these coins.. silver coin at depht 35cm 50 eurocent a depht 35cm

I did the following CTX test on a large 13x17" large coil.. in the Coin program at sensitivity 20... which was aimed at comparing the range between high-medium conductive/a large 24K gold coin the size of a silver dollar and a 50 euro cent - the size of a silver quarter/ .....and highly conductive silver Coins of various sizes.. such as Dollar, Half Dollar, Quarter dollar, and American silver Dime... I supplemented this test with 2 low-conductivity targets: a 5-gram gold stater - made of an alloy of gold and silver/electrum/ and an American 5-cent nickel coin..

Kac...Thank you very much for the explanation.. about the tesoro circuits..... I want to add one more important thing... Mojave can be used on concentric coils 5.75" CC and 7" CC .. even on very mineralized 6-7 BAR Fe3o4 terrain.. / Measured on ...Teknetics G2/ ...if you have the mineralization switch set to High.., with a good signal and reach for silver Dime to a depth of 4"-4.5".. Mojave on the SEF 6x8"DD coil can work on such mineralized terrain ..even on setting the GB switch to "Low mineralization".. with a good signal ..on Dime at 4.5" with a border signal at a depth of 5" .. I want to say that I consider Mojave to be a sufficiently universal detector for various mineralized terrain.

...The availability of additional coils on the Manticore is calculated for the 2nd quarter of this year 2023...for central Europe...

Carl... Thank you for this information.. it is very valuable...👍🏆.. Just... the main motivation... for my testing was to find out whether today's modern detectors are really sufficiently optimized for large highly conductive coins... because a difference of 7-8 centimeters in range represents "several times stronger signal response" .. for a large gold coins... vs.. an equally large Silver Dollar coin .. ... But it can be seen that there are still reserves in the use of really low working frequencies somewhere around 1 Khz to 1.5 khz... which could be successfully used to detect deep signals... highly conductive coins... my CTX3030 multifrequency measurement:, the lowest used frequency of CTX is 3.3 khz and the highest used frequency is around 25 khz

test CTX 3030 : In this test, it is nice to see that the thick highly conductive Roman AS coin has a significantly smaller range than the large gold coin of 4 ducats... during the CTX test, I used the Coin program and sensitivity 20, 22, 23, 24, 25 to see how the range of coins changes with sensitivity...coin reach is measured in centimeters.... -------------------------------------------------------------- Test Equinox 800 : On the Equinox 800 test, it is also nice to see how the reach of individual coins differs from the used 1 frequency.., the multi-frequency balances these differences more..but it is still clear that the highly conductive Roman AS has a smaller range than a large gold coin..coin reach is measured in centimeters.... v you can see the significant differences in range between one frequency 4 khz and 40 khz on large gold coins 4 ducats and Roman AS... where the difference in range is up to 30%!!! setting "recovery speed 3 ,iron bias 0, sens 20..

....The purpose of this test was to find out how different detectors cope with high-conductivity coin type targets for deep detection... I recently had the opportunity to buy a CTX 3030 with a standard 11" coil and a large 13x17" coil at a very good price after tests on my test field where I have it buried higher a medium-conductive 50 euro cent coin at 37 cm with good results, I was curious how the test detector would cope with the other detectors I currently have with me Equinox, CTX, Atrex and ORX in tests for gold and high-conductivity silver coins... and high-conductivity Roman AS../coin/ Of course, I expected that the range of the CTX *3030 detector would be the greatest right on highly conductive coins... but as it turned out... the greatest range was right on a large 40 mm -14 gram 24 gold coin.. that surprised me a bit and that's why I tested the Equinox similarly on the multi programs Park1 and Park2 ... also on one frequency 4khz, 5khz, 10khz, 15khz, 20khz and 40khz...