Chase Goldman

Yep, I verified the issue/feature/hack (?), Brad. Thanks for pointing it out. If you go directly to bone phones as the audio output device, you can only select Square. Go to another audio device, change it to HiSquare and then back to bone phones, and it’s HiSquare which can’t be changed directly back to Square unless you repeat the audio output switch hack procedure again. Switching another device to PCM and switching back to bone phones audio is ignored by the bone phones output. I only have bone phones, but really can’t tell either if they are in Square or HiSquare audio when it says HiSquare. FWIW. I’m documenting it in my consolidated Ver 1.X update thread.

You're welcome. Do some more research to make sure it checks the boxes (plenty of additional info here and on the web). It's a very capable machine with minimal investment so its hard to go wrong with it. But like any machine you need to really take several hours to learn it. The most important thing is to secure the sites on which you can actually use it. Good luck.

If you take the time to read the first post of this thread it includes detailed information on the new features and bug fixes provided by the update and includes the link CPT_GhostLight re-posted above that provides the instructions on how to install the update. Please start there, and then if you have further questions, post them.

See the link below for a post I put together for another forum member who was considering the AT Pro. Whether you are considering the AT Pro or AT Max, the advice is the same. As mentioned above, the AT Pro and AT Max platforms were game changers back in the day but while they still get it done, they are long in the tooth and are missing some features, such as recovery speed adjustments, that will enable you to better access targets in areas where a lot of junk targets are clustered together (basically the the last frontier where old targets had been previously inaccessible due to limitations in detector processing speed). All the detectors we are talking about have about the same depth capability, but speed and target ID accuracy can help improve your treasure to trash ratio. Check out the post below for additional information on a number of the latest crop of detectors and look for the best bang for your buck and a detector that is versatile enough to tackle different detecting objectives (coin shooting, jewelry, relics, or gold on land, in farm fields, or in fresh or salt water). Many recently released detectors such as the Legend, Equinox, Deus 2, and Manticore have the versatility to tackle all these challenges. But the price range is huge and the older, less versatile detectors such as the AT Max are not really discounted enough to make them necessarily good bargains when you have something like the Legend which was released just last year and has seen several updates released within the pass year to eliminate bugs and add features and at around $500 to $700 depending on the package you choose giving something like the $1600 Manticore a run for its money. Good Luck.

Dave, I was thinking the exact same thing regarding red numbers being toggled on and retaining that setting with rollback with no option to now turn it off. FWIW - Before I updated, I took a screenshot of the firmware version that existed on my Mcore: 5.12.0-3.4.0 I don't know if that matches the rollback version from the updater. Can't access it right now because I don't have my Manticore available.

I think you’re right based on some high initial price estimates we were calculating for Xterra Pro based on conversion rates, so all the caveats apply. But more concerning than price is that many accessories unique to Xterra, Nox 700/900 and Manticore, that have no third party source like wireless headphones, lower rods, and coils that should be available on or shortly after release are simply unobtanium right now (except for the legacy Nox coils). And as a capper, ML has apparently decided to regress from the direction the took with BT wireless audio on Nox, Vanquish, and the GPX 6000 and lock down their wireless audio accessories as proprietary instead of embracing an industry standard protocol going forward - making 3rd party wireless audio accessories like earbuds incompatible unless you want to hang a BT transmitter off your headphone jack. And so far, no word of anything like a standalone wireless receiver to adapt favorite wired phones or buds. It’s all pretty poor form by ML.

No read back further in the thread. There there is a way to roll back to the previous version with the existing installer.

Based on some posted consternation based on the anticipated price point for the Minelab Manticore accessory coils, I thought I would put out some price points for popular Simultaneious Multi-Frequency (SMF) metal detector accessory coils, and coil prices for other popular single frequency, selectable single frequency, SMF and PI detectors, for reference. These are approximate retail prices for new coils (in US $) scraped off the internet and don’t reflect dealer discounts, package deals, or sale specials. Legend LG 28 - 11" Stock - ~$135 LG15 6" Round - ~$120 LG24 9.5x6" - ~$135 LG30 12X9" - ~$150 LG35 14" - ~$170 Nox 6" Round - ~$180 10x5" Elliptical (Coiltek) - ~$235 11" Stock - ~$229 14X9" (Coiltek) - ~$260 15x12" - ~$240 15" Round (Coiltek) - ~$290 Manticore Stock 11" - ~$?? M8 - ~$341 (Pre-release estimate based on currency conversion) M15 - ~$417 (Pre-release estimate based on currency conversion) Deus 2 9" Round - ~$399 11" Round - ~$399 13X11" - ~$399 Other Coils: Fisher "Triangulated Biaxial 12" Coil" for F75 - ~$199 Detech Ultimate 7" (Teknetics and Fisher F75) - ~$130 Detech Ultimate 13" (Teknetics Greek and F75) - ~$180 Detech Arrow (Simplex, Fisher, Teknetics Greek and G2+) - ~$150 - $165 Nel Snake - ~$120 - $130 Minelab XTerra Pro - ~$?? Minelab Vanquish (Multi IQ) - ~$100-$140 (size dependent) Minelab CTX3030 11"/17"(FBS 2) - ~$350/$400 Garrett AT Series Coils - ~$130 - $160 (size size dependent) Garrett Ace Apex Coils - ~$135 - $190 (size dependent) Nokta Simplex+ - ~$110 - $170 (size dependent) Nokta Impact - ~$110 - $230 (size dependent) Nokta Anfibio/Kruzer - ~$110 - $220 (size dependent) Pulse Induction: Garrett Axiom Coils - ~$280 - $320 (size dependent) Minelab Commander 10x5" DD (GPX) - ~$225 Minelab Commander 11" Mono/DD (GPX) - ~$270/250 Minelab Commander 15X12" DD (GPX) - ~$375 Minelab Commander 18" Mono - ~$441 Coiltek GoldenHawk 10x5" Mono (GPX) - ~$420 Coiltek 14" Anti-Interference DD (GPX) - ~$410 Detech 12.5" DD (GPX) - ~$300 Detech 15" Spiral Wound DD (GPX) - ~$425 Detech 15" Ultra Sensing Mono (GPX) - ~$425 Commentary - Legend accessory coils are a great value overall consistent with the detector itself, even compared with single frequency detector accessory coils. The unofficial Manticore accessory coil prices (if they hold) are somewhat consistent with Deus 2, perhaps its most direct competitor, although the Deus 2 coils pricing is complicated by the fact that they are wireless, smart, and, therefore, are self-powered which is not the case with the Manticore coils other than perhaps limited pre-filtering and ID chips. The Coiltek NOX coils demand a slight premium vs. the Minelab OEM Nox coils. The higher end Deus 2 and Manticore accessory coils are priced similar to GPX pulse induction coils.

You can't reinstall it. If it detects you have the latest SW, you are stuck there.

OK. Thanks. Misread that. I'll try to replicate that. Did you have the bone phones plugged in?

Good reminder to make sure you don't have bone phones selected as your audio output. What are the other soecific glitches have you noticed with the update? I am tracking them in a consolidated 1.X Update issues post. Thanks.

Yes, that’s not a glitch and is normal behavior and documented in the user guide.

Yeah. Put me in that category. Other than for curiosity's sake, I otherwise couldn't care less about this accessory, if that is what it is. Why this would be prioritized over a small elliptical or a functioning, long-promised companion app is beyond me.

Thanks for reporting back. You should now do as Gary Black from XP recommended and send a short video to XP customer service. Long shot - There may be a hardware issue with the controller headphone/data/charge connector that is making it think you have bone phones plugged in or something. Anyway, your best bet is XP customer support at this point. Good luck and let us know how it got resolved and how your XP customer support experience went.

It all matters: angle of approach, coil, frequency, audio settings, discrimination, notch, TID accuracy, repeatability, and stability; sensitivity, variable soil conditions on the same patch of soil (moisture, added trash, etc.), etc. Also, different detector models process targets differently even with nearly identical settings, coils, frequencies, and recovery speeds. Finally, we rarely ever cover every square millimeter of ground even if we think we do, so declaring a site “hunted out” is almost always wrong. All of these factors and infinite variable combinations make claims that one detector is better than another because targets have been pulled out of a “hunted out” patch dubious at best and most likely meaningless. You kind of proved that with your Legend > Nox > Legend anecdote.

Ha. Those code names are better than the actual names.

Here is the two-box Deus Coil rendering XP first mentioned over 7 years ago:

WTG on the button and the good karma with the landowner should pay dividends down the road. I need to visit the Valley some day and detect there. Have only been to Winchester and east of the Blue Ridge. HH and thanks for sharing.

Let us know how it goes. If that doesn't work, try reverting to an earlier version (e.g. 0.71) and then reinstalling 1.1.

Yes. Try that.

Try power cycling a couple times. This was reported by some users on ver 1.0, thought it was addressed by version 1.1 but maybe not.

Brad - thanks for providing that link. Much appreciated. Access to Tom's forum has been spotty of late and frankly, the way its laid out is severely dated and makes it difficult to follow and find information. However, I'm not buying into what ML is saying because the view from the outside kind of contradicts that statement. First, if it's a supply-demand issue, why did they decide to simultaneously take on Nox 700/900 and X-Terra Pro production which utilizes and exhausts many of the same hardware components and consumes precious assembly line capacity and resources at their manufacturer in Malaysia? If anything, the problem is not external demand but an internal self-inflicted wound. I seriously doubt (but can't prove) that the Manticore demand, at its Price Point, is higher than Nox was at its peak in 2018, and while accessory coils were delayed there too, based on similar release time frames, accessory coils should have been released by now. If demand is so high, and supply chain management so challenged, then why take on additional demand and models that would just exacerbate the problem? Despite ML's claims, they seem to have no problem feeding the beast at Cabela's and other big box retailers at a 50 detector per shipment clip, because big box can move vast quantities of product faster that individual dealers. Note also that ML does not have to directly subsidize their advertised manufacturer US military discount like they do with individual dealers, because Cabelas does not participate in that program as they have their own. I think the bottom line is that coils simply do not bring in as much revenue as detectors so as long as ML can focus on cranking out Manticores, Nox's and Xterras they can make money hand over fist and since they've already captured the Manticore buyer, there is no hurry to get the accessories out, because in their misguided point of view, having accessories available on day one does not accelerate detector sales. I disagree and think it is a poor business decision and is sort of a slap in the face to Manticore buyers to keep dragging their feet on it. But it is what it is. All I can say is don't hold your breath waiting for those coils to hit the streets as they apparently aren't even willing to project a release date at this point, 7 months into the release of the Manticore...and nine plus months after simultaneously announcing the Manticore and the accessory coils, with photo renderings.

Same here on the beach. Yes, that with Notch might be the answer. A case where the positive disc processing of the stake might be working against you.

Hmm. Interesting. So there potentially is merit to zero iron volume as I suggested earlier in this thread. But to be fair, I was suggesting it as an alternative to notch. Great info CPT.

From my perspective, the point of this thread appeared to be more about you mocking others from afar who have misconceptions about the nuances of high end detecting gear without giving them the recourse to defend their position on a level playing field. People are always going to have these misconceptions and will invariably pass them on to others who will either run with that flawed information or do the due diligence research to verify where truth lies. Pointing that out here with your attitude is simply self serving and does nothing to help those who don't understand. Not sure what you were hoping to accomplish here other than grandstanding about how you saved everyone from the horrors of misinformation. It is also indeed painfully apparent you haven't swung a Manticore because you'd know that getting a single TID number is almost more the exception than the rule. Seriously, though, the Manticore and Next Gen Equinox numbers often bounce around on isolated non-ferrous targets at depth. Furthermore, the TT circle is not necessarily less "accurate" than the visual TID number. In some respects it is actually a better, more informed and less filtered version of the processed target signal. Almost a probability density plot of the most likely target IDs resulting from the variables that affect the final processed target ID number on each subsequent swing. So idealizing to the perfect single-digit target signal is actually not reflective of the real world except when there is little doubt as to the nature of a no-brainer shallow or surface target. Finally, I am going to extend to you the same courtesy you extended to the anonymous targets of your sarcasm and am locking this thread before you reply. I can see it is just going to devolve into one of "those" threads where you don't know when to put the shovel down while you dig a deeper hole with each reply and people just throw up their hands in frustration. You can take it up with me or Steve offline if you so wish.