Chase Goldman

Dunno if you resolved it but the problem is you have the WS6 in master mode. Turn on the remote first with WS6 off, put remote in pairing searching for Headphones, then do a long press of the WS6 power ("minus") until the remote sees the WS6 and pairs with it, which puts it in slave mode

Yep disappointing as I was hoping for a "mono" gold field process program (similar to Deus 1) not just the mod that allows you to adjust the top end FMF frequency, but at least there is now adjustability there which an interesting addition. There are also now a number of other audio enhancements (e.g., new audio filter, enhanced square wave audio, threshold with pitch, and new enhancements to full tones setups) that supposedly improve detection of weak signals, so some additional testing is warranted. But the head-to-head testing Jeff did with Mono vs. Gold Field, is telling us that there is probably still work to do. Jeff, note that on Gold Field (which is already at 40 khz max) and Relic (default 24 but now can be adjusted up to 40 khz or down to 14 khz) should be tested. I note that in the program descriptions, Gold Field utilizes frequency addition while Relic utilizes conductive soil subtraction (though not sure if this is simply tied to the FMF MAX Frequency selection) so there may be a slight difference in the way Gold Field and Relic process targets even with the same Max FMF frequency. Suggest giving Relic a go with 40 khz to see how it behaves. With Relic you have hot ground handling similar to Gold Field. Worth a shot. Also suggest fiddling with the new audio options including the audio filter and enhanced Square. Also going to try Sensitive Full Tones and Beach Sensitive with Pitch which are both set up for micro targets. If Pitch is used, threshold can be utilized as well. At the end of the day, we may need "mono" gold field, a maximum FMF frequency higher than 40 khz or a maximum mono frequency higher than 45 khz (60 or 80 khz preferrably) and that small elliptical coil we have been asking for. Simon, just wanted to point out a nuanced point. Specifically that Jeff is not saying that Deus 2 does not have sub gram gold detection capability. Deus 2 in mono frequency,40 to 45 khz appears to be able to detect Jeff's test targets, it is just that Gold Field is lacking. Jeff needs Gold Field because of its superior mineralized ground handling. You have always stated that you have minimal mineralization issues even in your gold fields. You might be able to rival your Deus 1 prospecting performance with the Deus 2 in mono. I don't need sub gram gold capability so I don't have a feel for how Deus 2 Mono performs vs. Deus 1 Gold Field, in that capacity so maybe Jeff can provide that perspective (I'm sure he has addressed it in his past testing). The thing is, I am not sure even Deus 1 can rival Equinox 800 on sub gram gold anyway, so it might be a moot point. You had indicated interest in Deus 2 because of the reports of rock solid Target IDs at depth, you might still want to consider Deus 2 down the road. They definitely did some things to improve target audio and non-ferrous target ID stability in the presence of ferrous and its not like it does NOT detect sub-gram gold. Anyway, just wanted to point that out. Chase Takes: I'm updated but I have not had the chance to run Ver 1.0 through its paces or punch in my custom programs. Love what they added but disappointed in what was not added, but hey, we're only at version 1.0 and they sure added a lot. Would have liked to have seen: Mono Frequency Gold Field Process and higher mono frequency selections above 45 khz to address the micro target/sub gram gold limitations that Jeff has identified. Also, I want to point out here that we are talking SUB GRAM gold (and Jeff has been careful to always characterize it that way). No mistake about it, it may not be as sensitive as the Deus 1 and is definitely not as sensitive as the Equinox to sub gram gold but I will tell you, it definitely detects micro gold jewelry and micro mid-conductors. Just wanted to put that out there FWIW. Sometimes people get the mistaken impression it has trouble with gold and/or micro mid-conductors, in general. On Deus 1 you could select normalized or non-normalized TIDs. The spread of TIDs would vary based on the operating frequency used, with the higher operating frequencies pushing and compressing the high conductors at the high end of the scale (i.e., above TID 90). Or you could normalize all TIDs to display consistent with an operating frequency of 18 khz regardless of the operating frequency selected. Ability to adjust TID normalization to a lower reference frequency to provide a greater spread of high conductive TIDs. Right now Deus 2 TIDs are normalized to 18 khz like "ID NORM" on the Deus 1. A lower reference frequency like 12, 8 or 4khz would create more spread on the top end TIDs at the possible expense of more compression on the lower and mid conductivity regions. It's a tradeoff (everything is constrained to a maximum TID 99) but it would be nice to have that option. Maybe in a future update. Separate from the update, a small elliptical coil option would be welcome. Will be taking these new options and features for a spin this week.

It's probably a combination of arrogance or hubris along with a misguided sense of "if it ain't broke..." It's an annoying oversight but trivial in the sense that it is likely not affecting sales at all because people either just deal with it or home brew a fix. Hence Deus/Orx users are sending XP the message that its no big deal (similar to the wonky charge interface) so XP is not going to invest in change.

Like I said, this probably has more to do with the thread being in the wrong forum because the question naturally fosters critiques and debate and emotion. The thing is, the context was different when first posed as neither Deus 2 nor Legend existed in the wild and all we had were marketing brochures and rumors. So...I'm considering moving it. Or feel free to start a new related topic in the Comparison forum.

The thread probably more properly belonged in the comparison forum but has existed here for nearly 2 years. I can sit here and go around and around on the basis for XP coil costs vs. other detectors, but frankly it's exhausting. Do I think their price point is justified? Not necessarily. Do I have some technical understanding of what drives their cost above conventional coils? Yes. Regardless, the real point is that as a mod, I made a judgment call as to when I considered the thread crossed a subjective line and politely asked for the provocative critical language to simply stop, not the listing of grievances. I am admittedly guilty of this occasionally and accept the recalibration when called on it and move on. I politely ask you to do the same and not to ratchet it up further. I ask this as a courtesy to forum members who are fans of the brand and as affirmation of the decorum that has been repeatedly affirmed and encouraged by Steve in the brand specific forums in order to discourage a descent into intimidation and trolling. I did not ask to debate the merits of that policy or my call. As I stated previously, feel free to extol the virtues of Legend in the Nokta forum and critically compare and rant about Deus coil costs vs. everyone else in the Detector Comparison Forum. That's all fair game. We can discuss it further offline if you wish. But if you want to continue the back and forth publicly, I will lock this thread and you can take it up with Steve. Thanks.

Gentle moderator reminder this is the XP Deus II Forum. This ancient thread (started before D2 was even released) is finally starting to veer off topic with discussions of other brands and increasing brand bashing. If you want to do that, you are welcome to do so in the Detector Advice and Comparisons Forum. Not trying to suppress pros and cons discussions and honest critiques, but with terminology like “ludicrous” and “biggest screw ups”, being thrown around by folks who don’t appear to own the detector in question, it’s getting a little over the top and a tad annoying (even if there are elements of truth behind those comments ) And yes, I know I’m a biased mod in this instance, but also equal opportunity. Steve and I have made similar comments in other brand forums.

Short Answer: You can certainly use it as a conventional standalone (i.e., non-wireless) pinpointer with those Equinox detectors but it is not compatible with (i.e., will not wirelessly link up with) the Nox wireless headsets or wireless radios built into those Equinox detectors. Additional TL/DR Tech Nerd info that may make your eyes glaze over or roll back into your head: You can purchase and plug a standalone Z-lynk transmitter into the Equinox headphone jack if you wish to use the Z-Lynk Pro Pointer in wireless mode and hear it through compatible Garrett Z-Lynk Wireless phones (MS-3's) or wired phones plugged into a Z-Lynk wireless receiver. The Equinox 600/800 has two wireless radios - One that utilizes Bluetooth (BT) compatible with the low latency APTX-LL codec which is compatible with many 3rd party APTX-LL headphones as well as the ML wireless headphones included with the Nox 800. The second radio uses ML's Wi-Stream wireless which is only compatible with the WM08 wireless receiver included with the Nox 800. The Nox 700/900 use a different radio that utilizes BT LE protocol that is not compatible with the BT devices that work with the Nox 600/800 and for the time being only works with the wireless headsets included with the Nox 900 and Manticore. Again, none of the Minelab Nox or Manticore wireless radios/headphones are directly compatible with Garrett's Z-lynk wireless components.

Yeah. Even though it was not a CW period find, it was definitely the find that made my hunt. I could not believe the shape it was in when I flipped the plug. Best condition of any pre-1950 silver I've ever dug, much less an SLQ. You rarely find coins at these DIV sites, but this was a new site, so quite a few coins were dug. I have a backlog of 2023 finds and adventures to write about, including that DIV. Have had some other things going on in life lately. It was the sweetest, smoothest sounding low tone on the Axiom and I honestly thought I was digging a CW lead minie ball or round ball. It was down almost a foot in fairly wet lowland soil a few hundred feet from the Rappahannock River that was the strategic natural barrier that separated the North and South army units engaged in the battle. Best coin I've ever found with a PI. Anyway, Axiom covered all the bases and many of those artillery frags (which ring up counterintuitively with a high tone) were very deep but very audible. Axiom (and more importantly my arm and shoulder) kept on chugging all day long. Long after I would have normally put down the GPX and shifted over to my Deus 2 or Equinox.

Good point. If the headphone electronics can't be stuffed into the WM08 module, then you can probably put it in a homebrew enclosure and wire up a phone-out jack.

Not out of the question, but you are probably better off just purchasing a Nordic nrf5340 Dev Kit for about 50 bucks (Google it) then adding power, headphone jack and charge input, then fashioning a purpose built homebrew case for that, rather than cannibalizing your $150 Headphones and hoping the electronics/power/battery fit and can be wired up to the WM-08 jack similar to the Wi-Stream board. But that's just me.

Here's another foldable step through option for you to consider, Chuck. Comparable to the excellent Rad GotAU posted above but a little lower cost and it includes front fork and seat post suspension which can help with off-road terrain. https://lectricebikes.com/products/xp-step-thru-black-long-range You can save an additional ~$200 if you go with the standard vice long range battery that decreases range by about 35% (45 vice 65 miles max). 1000 Watt peak, high torque motor. Weight similar to the Rad. Despite being foldable, both are heavy at almost 65 lbs, which is the nature of ebikes primarily due to the battery and motor. The Rad folding mechanism is less clunky than the Lectric Bike. Lektrik goes for value and maximum features/performance for cost. Rad focuses on design and manufacturing quality and post sales support.

Yep. Except for cost (because as a fairly recent release, you will unlikely find many on the used market like with a GPX). But, if a PI is needed, the Axiom would easily be my choice for trips involving air travel over the GPX 5000 or earlier for all the reasons mentioned above. Fantastic for deep relic, treasure, coin, jewelry, wet beach or prospecting in difficult soil or salt. It can be collapsed and disassebled down into it's included soft case/backpack which meets carry-on dimensions, with two coils in the case and can easily accommodate additional personal items you want to carry on board. The internal Li-Ion battery (no clunky cords or 3rd party compact batteries needed) is well below air travel capacity limits, yet will run the machine at 10 to 12 hours a clip and there is a removeable external AA backup battery compartment attachment included. My GPX 4800 has been sold and is now a distant memory after a very successful relic outing with the Axiom in April (see pics). Axiom made quite a splash at the last DIV and won over several ex-ML PI converts. The GPX 6000 would be another consideration, but it lacks iron check, has less manual control and is more expensive than Axiom. @abenson is a resident expert regarding successful relic detecting with the GPX 6000. Remove the coil and you can stow it in the case with room to spare. My Deus 2 (which would also be my vlf air travel detector of choice) lying beside for scale, below). Some of my Axiom finds shown below from the last DIV that was at a site that straddled a small engagement known as the Battle of Freeman's Ford that included many artillery fragments, large lead sabot, a Hotchkiss shell fuze, lead case shot, some miscellaneous brass including a brass thimble, an iron buckle, and a 1923 SLQ that must have been dropped in 1923 (exactly 100 years ago) based on its condition. (Yep, Chuck we're crazy but bet you'll get a kick out of this find). I'll tell the whole story of this hunt in a separate post. It was really fun and with Axiom, felt I was swinging a cordless vlf.

Thanks. Yes, more power required for climbing or speed translates into higher battery drain and less range/run time in general, that's the obvious trade off. I thought I made that point clear at the end of that same paragraph from which you extracted my quote. But doesnt hurt to reiterate it. I mainly just wanted to point out that most e-bikes now have the throttle feature which doesn't require constant pedaling to get the e-drive assist as implied in your original post. Pedaling with e-drive assist only is known as Mode 1. In fact, on my e-bike, in Mode 2, which unlocks throttle assist, the throttle consumes less energy than the maximum pedal assist setting because it is capped at 20 mph max on level ground (and can give you climbing power for obstacles), whereas pedal assist at level 5 will take you up to 26 mph and can give you more climbing power also at the expense of range. So you actually drain the the battery less using throttle only vs. maximum pedal assist in Mode 2. Mode 3, if available and unlocked to the cyclist, opens everything up: throttle at max capable speed and PAS at the obvious expense of more level ground range. Certain modes are restricted on different types of bike paths and trails and your bike typically has to be clearly marked as to the maximum mode capability (1, 2, or 3) that has been unlocked and is immediately accessible to the cyclist on-the-fly.

Most e-bikes now come with throttles that can be used separate from or in conjunction with pedal assist and they are actually pretty responsive/powerful, with no pedaling required even up fairly steep hills. And fat tire e-bikes can handle some tough terrain. Can't get you everywhere a Quad or conventional motorized trail bike can, but they are lighter/more compact than those vehicles so no toy hauler/pickup bed is required and if it's foldable, you don't even need a vehicle bike rack and they they can be acquired at relatively low cost (between $1K to $2K for the Lektric Bikes Fat tire XP 3.0 or Premium series e-bike with full suspension and mechanical or hydraulic disk brakes). However, if you go heavy on the electric motor pedal assist or throttles, you will have fairly limited range (10 - 20 miles total out and back so 5 to 10 mile radius) unless you get a high capacity battery (which adds a lot of weight) or pack a spare battery (again more weight to deal with). If something does go wrong with the e-drive, you do have a pedal power option you don't have with the gas vehicles, but the added weight of e-bikes over conventional bikes means it will be really tough going to pedal or even walk/push uphill or over terrain obstacles you were able to overcome with the e-motor. Finally, the other thing to consider is that whether you are on an electric bike or conventional motor bike even with good suspension, your body does take some punishment, so you need to be without significant mobility limitations if going on tough terrain and decent cardio-vascular shape should you have to pedal or walk out of a dead battery or breakdown situation. I have a fat tire e-bike with full suspension (Lektric Bike XP 3.0) and enjoy it on pavement as well as taking it off the beaten path. It performed well but I also noted that without the throttle assist, there were some terrain situations where the e-bike would be left behind if the battery or motor failed and all I had was unassisted pedal power as there was no way I would be able to pedal or even push or carry the bike out of those uphill or obstacle predicaments. It's so much heavier than a conventional bike.

Check out this video. It shows how to disassemble the MI6 and you get a good view of the guts of the pp. I actually had do this disassembly to physically disconnect the battery to reset it when it locked up in the "On" state once.

That's what I did, but made it an EARLY retirement gift. I too was heavily invested in the Deus 1 eco system>4 coils, two remote/upper stem sets, WS4 headset and a few WS4 puck compatible over the ear phones. Haven't gone back to Deus 1 since, even with the lack of a D2 compatible variant of the D1's small HF elliptical coil. The HF coils were my go to coils for the Deus 1. Always thought there would be something the D2 couldn't do that the D1 could, but haven't really run across that scenario personally. Though, D2 does seem to lag behind the D1 in sub-gram natural gold sensitivity. That drawback doesn't really affect relic, coin, jewelry, or beach hunting though and since the 9" HF coil was my favorite on the D1, not missing the small HF elliptical as much as I thought I would, either. I just immediately feel I'm putting myself at a disadvantage whenever I consider detecting with the D1 versus the D2 and all of the user interface quirks (hard to operate pushbuttons, smaller screen, D1 remotes vulnerability to water) all deter me from pulling it out even just for old time's sake. Running D1 is like night versus D2's daylight.

Yeah, It would be nice just to locate the Go Terrain app itself. C'mon XP, talk to us. But integrating the Mi-X PP with Go Terrain to set up its modes, locate it, and to be able to use it in "smart mode" with Deus 2 AND other detectors (via Bluetooth LE), if Go Terrain ever shows up, would be great. Ferrous/Non-ferrous would be a great add. Don't really need TID but if it basically comes along for free with ferrous/non-ferrous, I'd take it. Vibration in connected mode. Finally getting to the root cause of the wonky connection issues would be great so it isn't such a crap shoot.

Relative battery drain/run time differences fo the various modes and configurations is spelled out in the user manual on ~page 37 (see this link for the latest online edition of the manual). See the excerpt below: These appear to be conservative estimates as I've seen higher battery drain with Deep HC, but not necessarily 1/3 less coil run time (i.e., 8 hours vs. 12 hours as stated) but it is noticeable. I also believe I have gotten more than 8 hours of run time out of a single coil charge running exclusively Deep HC. As always, on these types of things, there are lots of real life variables so, YMMV. HTH

The connection issue seems to be tied to individual PP/remote combos also as well as environment/EMI and timing. Also, just because EMI doesn't show up audibly on your detector doesn't necessarily mean there isn't EMI from cell towers or WiFi sources even in rural situations without obvious line of sight sources of radio interference. I have a PP that seems to connect reliably >99% of the time and a backup that has issues much more frequently. This PP connectivity problem has been an issue for years dating back to the first release of the Mi6 in 2017 and there have been several updates to attempt to address the issue that have shown incremental improvements. Definitely got better for me going to the D2. Hope they finally figure out a way to make all the Mi6 PPs connect reliably not just a fraction of them. Finally, if you are suffering from frequent disconnects or unreliable connections with the Mi6, make XP stand behind their product by contacting them and demanding warranty support. They may just swap out your PP for one that connects more reliably. Like I said, there appears to be some variability in pinpointer connection reliability due to manufacturing differences or a marginal antenna design. Mi6 warranty is 2 years.

Your tone selection will not affect your discrimination breakpoint (the point at which the lowest multi-tone or pitch converts to an iron volume grunt). However, on full-tones, iron volume is only heard up to about a TID of 1 regardless of whether disc is set higher. For example, if in full tones with disc set at 10 you will hear iron audio for all targets registering a TID of 1 or less. Targets between 1 and 10 are silenced regardless of the iron audio setting, whereas in multi tones or pitch with disc at 10, all targets registering a TID of 10 or less will give an iron volume grunt. It's a quirk only in full tones and hopefully will be addressed in a future update. One you've saved your multi-tones tone breaks and notches in a custom program slot, you can change tones to pitch or full tones on the fly and your notches and disc will be preserved (and the notches will translate over when in full and pitch tones). If you subsequently switch back to multi-tones, your custom tone breaks will still be saved from when you last saved them. I like to save custom variants of a favorite custom program (e.g., Deep HC) with different tone setups like Deep HC Pitch, Deep HC 5 Tones and Deep HC Full Tones in adjacent custom program slots so that I can toggle between them using the plus/minus keys while "interrogating" an iffy target. The differing way the target audibly responds in full tones vs. pitch can give me some insight on the nature of the target and can sometimes help differentiate between asymmetric junk like can slaw vs. round brass buttons or gold rings that all have similar mid-range target IDs. HTH

I'll let Sinclair chime in, but apparently he was using the WM08 in a manner that it was minimally exposed to water while water hunting. The plug-in APTX-LL transmitters suggested here will likely die if the Manticore itself takes a dunk in the water or is hit by a wave, but if the WM08 is kept high on the body (attached to a hat or the wired phones themselves) or kept in a dry bag, then water hunting is feasible.

That's me too. Keeping Vibrate in paired/remote would be a great feature addition. Not sure why they excluded it, but it might have something to do with preserving run time as I've noticed that in non-pairex standalone mode, run time is significantly decreased.

Not sure if it is bar stock or not. Like you said, iron was smelted to create cast pig iron as a bar stock for tools and other ferrous items. A search online shows these crude bars. It would be strange to make the effort to mark an ingot as shown only to melt and repurpose it for other uses. To me it seems to be purposeful design for some practical or aesthetic use. That being said, I'm not ruling out your theory that the markings are used as a guide to cut the bar stock or something to aid a blacksmith. Whatever the actual purpose, it's a unique find. Glad you preserved it.

Same one as the Equinox boat. For Equinox the first accessory coil did not show up until 7 months after release. Still have one or two months to go if they repeat that timetable. SMH

Yes the transmitter has a concave back that allows you to place it on the shaft and secure it with an elastic band.