Chase Goldman

Looking for additional information on this series, can Dilek or some of the knowledgeable testers give us a rundown of the following: The more subtle differences between the Impact and the Multi Kruzer beside the stem design, user interface, waterproof enclosure, and the operating frequency differences. What are the various detect modes for the Multi Kruzer and Gold Kruzer and how do they differ. Especially Interested in Why maximum recovery speed is tied to 3 tone operation Whether there is a 99 tone mode like the Impact? Definitions on some of the Nokta unique settings and features: EUD, iSat How variable depth Target ID works. Thanks!

Great idea, I have a pair of water resistant detecting headphones so that would work. Hoping there is not too much lag with my BT Sports buds which are water resistant, but they are not low latency so I am not banking on it. The WM08 solution allows me to stay untethered, so great. Nice to have several options which seems to be a prime consideration by Minelab.

Like I said above, I believe you could easily hear it if your head was also submerged.

Thanks so much Steve. Fortunately, I doubt I will be going into deep water for at least several weeks after the 800 shows up (no polar bear genes). Plenty of dry land or at most ankle deep water detecting can be had in the mean time. Regardless, an announcement on accessory availability would be quite welcome. I take it the wireless Apt X phones that come with the 800 are at least weather resistant (i.e., they would be no worse for the wear after a minor rain shower) or will I have to panic if I see rain clouds coming even though I am swinging a waterproof detector

Neither Steve nor Minelab have listed any explicit differences between Gold 1 and 2 defaults, so it is very possible in that case there is no diiference whatsover. The default settings could be the same but you are free to save two different custom gold mode profiles, one in each slot. Then again there could be slight differences in the Multi IQ secret sauce between Gold 1 and 2, but I am sticking with the no difference theory.

You could easily hear it IF your head was under the water, but if the speaker is in the water and your head in the air, most if not all the sound waves bounce off the air-water interface and reflect back in the water, so you won't hear much if anything. Certainly not enough to facilitate detecting. If it vibrated on the other hand...like the new Nokta waterproof detectors.

Reliable waterproof adapters vs. connectors that are integral to the headphone cords are typically expensive to make, so Minelab is probably looking at an expensive accessory item without a large customer base and that would detract from Equinox headphone sales which is probably an even lower priority than the actual waterproof Equinox headphones themselves. Heck, who knows when Minelab is going to get the announced non-watertight 1/8" to 1/4" pigtail adapter out, much less a custom watertight connector that will only work with a unique pair of watertight phones. I'm ok with Minelab waiting to get these out by the time the water warms up up this way, but I know you Florida folks want to get in the water now. Lol. Guess you will have to just keep your heads dry for now. We all know what a poor business decision it would have been to make the CTX audio accessories compatible with the Equinox... Also, I would think Minelab would have the resources to be able to focus on getting these accessories out in parallel rather than in serial, one-by-one, so I really can't imagine that the 6" accessory coul is actually holding up release of watertight headphones, but you never know.

Actually it's $749. And the single freq Kruzer is $649 same as the Eq 600.

I wasn’t asking how to do it but how to use it (besides for user instruction). Or more to the point, “Why?” The Equinox already has this capability built in (you can pair 4 WM08 modules to it simultaneously). I see a joke in the making, “How many detectorists do you need to operate an Equinox - 4. One to...”

True, and that makes especially good sense if, as Steve points out, you are still rocking backup detectors that use AA's or have legacy AA's on hand. The AA power bank is excellent backup power insurance. However, I essentially left the AA cell detecting ecosystem a few years back, and as I stated earlier, these inexpensive 10000 mah (equivalent or greater capacity to four AA cells) cell phone power banks are everywhere and cost about the same as four high quality AA cells from the convenience store. So the solution to forgetting to charge your Equinox AND backup power bank and not remaining invested in AAs is to have a second charged power bank sitting around. They hold their charge pretty well and you don't have to drive around finding that convenience store. The good news is that there appears to be an unlimited number of backup power solutions for Equinox. If the AA power bank is a success at adequately powering/charging the Equinox, then that bodes well for just about any 10000+ mah power bank using AA or Li Ion power source. To Dewcon - the Equinox charge cable has a USB connector (USB is nominally 5 VDC), the question is what is the minimum current the power source has to provide. Steve’s AA power bank experiment should shed some light on that question.

Exactly, so test your run of the mill BT ear buds you already have lying around the house and if they don't do the trick, opt for Apt X LL. Just as Dr. T's experience doesn't guarantee another won't have latency issues, it is not a certainty that the latency of non-APT X LL earphones will not be tolerable. For example, I have not experienced noticeable audio lag while watching video with my high end BT sports headset, but it is not Apt X LL, so I am going to give them a shot on the Equinox. If latency is an issue, hello APT X LL. In the mean time I can use the supplied APT X ll headset. BTW - Thanks for pointing out the difference between APT X LL vs APT X and for the latency comparison chart.

Of these, the Gold Kruzer is most compelling to me. Nice high frequency selection. Would have been nice to be able to also select ~30 khz or 1/2 max frequency too, (a la Deus) to give it a larger optimal target range capability (and 15 khz, even better, to give it some high conductor chops). If the multi-frequency Kruzer had been released as the Impact a year ago (even at the Impact price point) you would have had a buyer. Now, unfortunately, competition from another manufacturer fielding innovative detecting technology may keep this from becoming the breakthrough detector series it could have been in 2017. I really like the intuitive display screen layout and control push buttons (but am still a big fan of that First Texas multifunction, clickable control knob that appears on the F70/F75 and T2/G2). Really nice line-up Nokta.

I, on the other hand, like to come up with solutions in search of a prblem. I am not well liked. I have one of the third party detector stands shown previously. Cost me a couple of bucks off ebay. Looks like the new Nokta Kruzer will have a superior detector stand (see the Makro stand posted previously), so might have to reconsider my preorder...

Absolutely, this can be done. There are several practical compact, efficient, and powerful solar panels that you can just hang off of a backpack while you are detecting, some even with integrated storage batteries. They typically have usb connectors so you could plug the Minelab Equinox charge cable directly into them or just charge one of the power banks we have been talking about. One drawback is that they need to be continuously facing bright sunlight to do their thing continuously, otherwise you will intermittently drain the Equinox battery. Power drops off precipitously in shade and cloud cover and as panel area decreases (which makes those power banks with small integrated solar panels impractical as they would take several days of sunlight to recharge). Also, compared to the rechargeable battery packs we've been discussing, they are quite a bit more expensive for the backpack sized, efficient panels needed to supply enough current to run the the Equinox.

Good clue as to how little battery capacity the Equinox needs to operate for a full day. Bet the AA pack can get it fully charged. Really want to know the outcome of the experiment.

I use Grease Monkey Gorilla Grip gloves for all weather conditions. Perhaps not the best when cold and wet but at $3 pair, they last a long time and are easily replaced and I can still operate my phone, detector controls, and handle tiny targets without removing them and even though they are form fitting, have never ripped them or cut myself on sharp targets in the hole. The inside (grip side) uses a nice grip nitrile-like material and the back is a breathable fabric. Small enough to just shove into your pants pocket and light/compact enough to always carry a spare pair with ease in your finds pouch.

Thanks Steve for running the test. Encouraging results. I wish ML would give us the mah rating of the Equinox battery so we could size the emergency power bank to give us at least one complete recharge.

I would just get one (or more) $10, 10000 mah portable power bank. It's cheaper (when you account for the alkaline battery cost), less weight per mah, can give you the necessary current, and you are giving the environment a break. (Each alkaline AA battery cell has about 2500 mah capacity). E.g. Aibocn Power Bank 10,000mAh External Battery Charger with Backup Flashlight https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013HIR1Q2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_w2rAAbNKAEE5J Not trying to burst a bubble (and I too am interested from an academic standpoint in what Steve finds out as to how much of a recharge he can get from the AA power bank gizmo). All I am saying is that the state of Li Ion and Li Polymer technology has gotten to the point that using single use AA or even rechargeable AA batteries for applications where you are not constrained to using a legacy AA battery compartment is neither cost effective nor efficient from a weight, volume, energy, or power standpoint. Heck, I use a Li Ion battery pack the size of a paperback book to jumpstart my car! Time to overcome collective fears of being stuck in the middle of the desert with a dead Equinox battery and having nothing but a pocket full of AA spares you originally purchased for your AT Pro. Just get one of these inexpensive rechargeable power banks to keep your depleted Equinox going and you can use its flashlight to get you back to your vehicle after detecting for 16 hours straight. If you do have a boatload of spare AA's sitting around, though, because you got rid of your AT Max or whatever to get an Equinox. Steve's little battery pack is a GREAT way to put them back to work for you in a pinch.

And if whatever you are doing is working for you, DO NOT CHANGE just because of what [us] so called experts are saying. You may have discovered some quirk of the machine or something. Just because we don’t understand why it’s working for you, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. But, yeah, get more hours, get comfortable and then try some “informed” tweaks. Unfortunately, you may be spending too much time with your Equinox to get there. Lol.

Thx. Steve. Probably taking a big chance anyway going deep enough to submerge the control box and thinking your head won't get wet.

Is the connector on the non waterproof wired phones that come with the 600 also not waterproof? Would have been nice to be able to use the wireless phones that came with the 800 in a manner such that you could have them wired to a submerged the control box without ruining the wired cord connector at the control box end even if you never intended to have the phones themselves (or your head) get dunked since wireless doesn’t work with the control box submerged. If the 600 wired phones enable you to do this, that would be advantageous over the 800 setup.

Is the expectation that accurate GB tracking on wet salt sand is independent of whether you are in Beach mode 1 or 2 and Equinox can accurately GB track in wet salt sand in any mode (I am only talking wet salt sand GB tracking not target ID in wet salt sand which is obviously optimized when in beach mode based on the Multi IQ algorithm independent of ground tracking accuracy)? Or are they interrelated in that optimal Target ID in wet salt sand is dependent on the combination of superior wet salt sand GB tracking which only occurs in Beach mode combined with the Beach mode Multi IQ targeting algorithm?

Lol. C’mon, Mike. Give in to the dark side. Resistance is futile! Scratch that marketing generated itch. You know you really want to.

That is an excellent question. In another thread I was just explaining how on the Deus you have to manually switch between "normal" GB Tracking mode to wet salt beach GB mode and there is no tracking option when in Wet salt beach GB mode.

Beachunter - you seem a tad taken aback by all the questions, so let me frame this for you. I have owned a Deus for more than 3 years. It took me well over a year, bootcamp class, extra handbooks, numerous forum visits, and hundreds of hours to get a handle on the nuances of the machine. On the other hand, I was able to take it out of the box on stock settings and find $5 in clad on the first day I got the machine. People are asking you these questions because the Deus is notorious for not being the most stable machine in wet salt sand. Typically, if you are hunting between dry and wet sand (actively being covered by surf, not just damp) typically requires you to manually shift ground balance to wet beach mode to shift to the lower salt ground phase readings (Deus does not seamlessly track between normal ground phase settings you use on dry sand and wet salt beach ground phase settings). People are interested in how you have tweaked the machine to be successful in wet beach mode - it is kind of a big deal if you have successfully done it on a consistent basis. The fact that you are using stock dry beach mode and the fact that you don't know the operating frequency with a coil that can be set anywhere between 13 and 80 khz (a HUGE range that can totally alter the machine's performance and what targets the machine can actually "see") yet are being successful is very counterintuitive to those who really know the Deus. People aren't "concerned" as much as wondering how you are managing to pull that off, and as a result, you are going to have a lot of experienced Deus users asking you questions. I have found the new HF coils to be quiet and stable overall compared to their low frequency predecessors. I still have not cracked the true wet beach nut with the Deus and is one of the things that first attracted me to Minelab's first fast, yet relatively inexpensive, multi frequency machine. Had to get that last line in there because this is an Equinox forum after all. lol. HTH