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14 hours ago, kiwijw said:

Hi Mad Fish, You are so right. I sort of have a golden rule now that if a very obvious signal has moved after a couple of light scrapes then I write it off as a surface pellet & move on. If it lives on down a bit more then I will recover it. But just like you said, you will get a signal that sounds like all the rest (pellets) & has moved after a couple of scrapes but something in your mind tells you to dig it...and it is gold. Yep...why is that?:unsure: Intuition, gold gods just smiling down on you? Sometimes for me it is the type of ground that makes me investigate. By type of ground I mean cracks in bedrock or bedrock that suddenly drops off to deeper ground where gold may have got caught on the edge of the bedrock & the drop to deeper ground, like a riffle. It doesn't have to be much of a drop to 'catch' & trap gold. It could be just the structure & make up of the ground that makes me investigate. A lot of ground can just have that horny gold bearing look to it. After a couple of scrapes you recognise that type of ground & recover the target. But then of course I can guarantee that some signals I walked away from that had moved after a couple of scrapes & thinking they are just pellets would have been small gold.

Maybe sometimes there is just a very slight different sound that makes you take more notice. Another thing that gobsmacks me is the number of signals that I have got that I wasn't even sure was a signal. It just seems like a hunch that it was a signal. But there is something that pulls you up. You check, re check, no nothing. A ghost signal? But you know something made you stop in that very first instant but no still nothing. So I scrape a bit of dirt away to get a bit more depth & bingo. Yes...that is something but ever so faint. Those ones always seem to turn out to be gold. In my case small gold but down quite deep. That has happened to me more times than I can remember.

I think the subconscious is a very powerful thing & works for us in ways that we don't even recognise or think about or understand. Stuff just happens & we think WTF in amazement but can't explain it. Maybe it is karma.

Good luck out there

JW ?

The things that make us stop . . . .

This is a very interesting read, and I enjoyed reading it.

Nicely done, and all the best,

Lanny

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On ‎1‎/‎13‎/‎2020 at 8:02 PM, Rob Allison said:

Hey Guys,

   I want to point out something I hear all the time as a dealer.  Many firmly believe "gold" has a certain tone or reading.  Anyone who suggests they can just pick out gold due to the tone, but leave all the lead, brass, casings and other rubbish is being fooled by themselves.  I can personally tell you over the last 20+ years swinging detectors, I have dug many targets that sounded like iron rubbish, double signals, breaking up, screaming loud and so on, that were large gold nuggets!!  That is right, big gold nuggets, some various shapes, sizes and weights, but all sounded like the typical iron rubbish.  

I think the key to "guessing" if you have a gold nugget or not, in my opinion, is more of where the target is located for the most part.  When you have detected enough, you gain a lot of experience on where gold nuggets have been found and where they typically could be.  Everyone at some point will be able to start guessing if the target they are recovering is gold or iron rubbish and will get better at the probability.  

The last couple of trips out, I was working some very trashy placers and every target to me sounded crappy.  However, one of the targets was a small 2 Gram gold nugget, so luckily I stuck with digging what I could until I burned out.  

 

Agreed, Rob.  On my GPZ, I have to fight the tendency to ignore screaming Low/Hi signals that are typically iron..... until they are not.  Similarly so with those signals you think have to just be ground noise, until you keep kicking away the dirt, only to find that the noise eventually gets louder and turns out to be gold. 

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I let this 2 1/4 ozer sit in a paddock for two years once, thinking it was another of many shallow shotgun shells. I'll bet I've left a few more "junk" signals for someone else to find as well:

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1 hour ago, jrbeatty said:

I let this 2 1/4 ozer sit in a paddock for two years once, thinking it was another of many shallow shotgun shells. I'll bet I've left a few more "junk" signals for someone else to find as well:

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Now that would cause me to dig everything, no matter what it sounded like.

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On 1/14/2020 at 9:12 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

How do you know what the targets were that you did not dig up? Do you believe 100% of the targets you did not dig were not gold? That you have a 100% accuracy rate? If not, what percent is acceptable to you? If you skip 100 targets is it ok for ten of those to be gold? Five? Two?

I’m not being critical here, just curious. I have skipped a lot of targets over the years for various reasons, but I am certain that I have left gold in the ground as a result. I know this because I have dug plenty of “nail signals” that turned out to be gold.

I do find some targets..... You have to know your machine and in which area to switch machines. In open ground I use my old Pi SD2200D on regular Disc. Not Disc+ target id .... On a wash close to bedrock I use my XP ORX......

A lot of prospectors think one machine does it all ...... I have yet to dig a grunt target that was gold using my PI. If it grunts it's always a ?.

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On 1/16/2020 at 12:55 PM, MannyScoot said:

gold doesn't scream unless you are in a wash and it sits on top sun baking.

All I can say is that the almost 2 oz nugget I found at 14 inches…totally screamed. I was not in a wash. I personally know of other people who have had the same experience. 

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4 minutes ago, flakmagnet said:

All I can say is that the almost 2 oz nugget I found at 14 inches…totally screamed. I was not in a wash. I personally know of other people who have had the same experience. 

I think I have a better chance of getting an erection than finding a screaming (2 oz.) nugget in Arizona. I have found screaming 10" inch Iron nails that probably sound like a 2 ounce nugget...

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