Gold Prospector Nugget With The Axiom

[Gold Catcher]

54 minutes ago, WesD said:

Goldcatcher I would guess, or bet the statement that you get what you pay for applies here.  

So if you insert the new Garret in the lineup of top gun gold detectors, it fills in a gap somewhere between a 5000 and 6000.  I do like the  junk iron disc feature on the Garret though. Hope Minelab gets on that with the next one!

Thanks, WeSD, that is pretty much what I figured. But it would be good to have a clear understanding, also from a dealers perspective, how to best make use of the Axiom and how to clearly state the pros and cons compared to the competitors, in particular to new customers. The advanced GB capabilities certainly sounds appealing, but I am somewhat less enthused about iron discrimination in general. It never really has worked reliably for me in the past, due to the known shortcomings of discrimination. At times, I am using the iron meter on the GM and it can work, but you have to literally be right on the nugget. >0.5  inch down and all bets are off. And I doubt that on a PI it would work magically better. But I have been surprised before.

GC 

[phrunt]

I guess it depends on your needs and desires in a detector, for some the Axiom will be better, for others the 6000.  There is a lot I like about the Axiom and a lot I don't like about the 6000, let's say the 6000 performance is slightly better on some targets would I still rather have the 6000 than the Axiom with all the things I prefer about the Axiom.  That's the question I have to ask myself. 

For me the 6000 is an unstable flimsy machine that I don't really enjoy using, the Axiom is a solidly built unit and surprisingly lighter machine than the 6000 and it's said it runs more stable and doesn't go Geosense crazy so would I put up with differing performance for that? I think I would, as long as it was close enough as at least I'd want to use it. 

Not everyone has the problems I do with the 6000 but quite a few do it seems, so for them the questions would be different, what benefit would they see?  It's a very individual question as many of the variables are based on location and the person using it and the gold they're chasing.  I think detector choice is a very individual thing as our needs and desires are different so our detector choice will be too, and our King, I never liked that King thread.

[Jonathan Porter]

59 minutes ago, phrunt said:

I guess it depends on your needs and desires in a detector, for some the Axiom will be better, for others the 6000.  There is a lot I like about the Axiom and a lot I don't like about the 6000, let's say the 6000 performance is slightly better on some targets would I still rather have the 6000 than the Axiom with all the things I prefer about the Axiom.  That's the question I have to ask myself. 

For me the 6000 is an unstable flimsy machine that I don't really enjoy using, the Axiom is a solidly built unit and surprisingly lighter machine than the 6000 and it's said it runs more stable and doesn't go Geosense crazy so would I put up with differing performance for that? I think I would, as long as it was close enough as at least I'd want to use it. 

Not everyone has the problems I do with the 6000 but quite a few do it seems, so for them the questions would be different, what benefit would they see?  It's a very individual question as many of the variables are based on location and the person using it and the gold they're chasing.  I think detector choice is a very individual thing as our needs and desires are different so our detector choice will be too, and our King, I never liked that King thread.

Seriously Simon you’re comparing something you actually have with something you don’t (and YES we all get that you’re not happy with your 6000 because every time you post you’re constantly reminding us of how displeased you are ? ).

I for one am really looking forward to having a play with the Axiom when they become available, most likely I will actually buy one this time round whereas the ATX I didn’t due to the excess weight etc. Am I expecting the Axiom to attain the be-all & end-all of metal detectors? Get real!! It’s a metal detector!! ?  

Every detector I’ve ever owned has had a compromise in one way or another, I’m more interested in what it CAN do than what it CAN’T!! I already know what my Minelab machines can do because I’ve been doing it, I’ve learned how to get the best out of them through hundreds and hundreds of hours using them and very successfully I might add. I’m sure I can pretty damn quickly start getting the best out of an Axiom too, Steve and Gerry seemed to have managed it easily enough. ? 

Some of the gold I got in a few hours with my GPX6000 last session, I had to listen through all the shot gun pellets near the surface and focus on the edge of detection signals at depth, it paid off.

 

 

 

[Steve Herschbach]

Sorry you have had bad luck with the 6000 Simon, but they are not all like that. Plenty of people like me have had almost zero issues with them, and are quite pleased with the performance. I'm sure people will find something to fault in the Axiom also - many already have! 

I'm with JP in that I prefer to focus on what machines can do, and getting the best I can out of them. If I don't like a machine, I get rid of it, and move on. That does not mean others might not love the machine I've decided is not for me. It just means it's not for me.

[phrunt]

That’s basically what I was saying, the 6000 is not for me but the Axiom might be and sounds like a detector I’d like, at least on paper it does.  The sad thing for me is the 6000 should have been a machine I’d really like.  What better machine for someone that chases tiny gold than the most sensitive PI made to date.   I haven’t given up on it just yet with new coils ordered.  It could just be a shonky coil I’ve got, the coil hasn’t been checked or replaced.  If not it can end up in my rejects cupboard with the Simplex ?

Comparing a product you do have to one you don’t is what customers do to establish if they want the other product, normal process in a competitive marketplace.  Nice to have some competition and choices.
 

[botics]

Just curious… would the Axiom be a good choice for civil war gold/coins or relics? How about salt water and beaches? Looks interesting but don’t know if I would be better off with my 3030.

[Steve Herschbach]

10 minutes ago, botics said:

Just curious… would the Axiom be a good choice for civil war gold/coins or relics? How about salt water and beaches? Looks interesting but don’t know if I would be better off with my 3030.

If you are into pulse induction metal detecting it might very well be. Some people take to it, some don't. You are going to dig more junk... and dig it deep!

Right now there are no coils for the Axiom that don't float like a cork, so if beach detecting, it would be on the beach, not wading in the water. Hopefully that changes in the future.

[botics]

What’s the big difference with pulse induction vs normal detectors?

[Steve Herschbach]

23 minutes ago, botics said:

What’s the big difference with pulse induction vs normal detectors?

In general, PI detectors handle high mineral ground and hot rocks that impede VLF performance. This also means they can handle large coils more effectively than a VLF, which can add to the depth equation. In low mineral ground there is not a huge need for a PI, as it is not so much that a PI goes a lot deeper than a VLF per se, but that they lose a lot less depth than a VLF in bad ground. That is why air tests of PI vs VLF are kind of worthless. It's all about the ground. But to give you an idea, a good PI can go twice as deep as your CTX, even more, in really bad ground.

PI detectors also lack anything remotely close to VLF style discrimination, relying more on various audio characteristics and experience to determine whether to dig or not. In the crudest sense, PI detecting is for people who tend to dig most everything, VLF detecting for those who need lots of discrimination.

• Understanding the PI Metal Detector by Reg Sniff. An excellent, understandable primer on pulse induction metal detectors.

This link, and the articles it links to, will tell you more about ground balancing pulse induction (GBPI) discrimination than you will find anywhere else:

https://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/11421-fisher-impulse-aq-discrimination-explanation/