First Nox 900 Gold *updated*

[Daniel Tn]

I would agree, except for at this beach.  It's a man made freshwater beach that they import the sand to.  You have about 3 to 4 inches of sand. Underneath the sand is a thin layer of mud, not even a half inch deep and then you hit bedrock/shoal.  Everything hits the bedrock and stops. Nothing is deep.  In fact, the little 10k ring found with the Nox was one of the deepest targets found so I know it was getting down to the stuff. I know when I had a CTX3030, the screen would show you the recommended sensitivity settings and at this beach, the threshold was a continuous null and recommended sensitivity was never above 8...single digit 8.  It does have a lot of iron...before it was a lake, it was a timber logging site and camp.  I'm thinking that's probably the root of the issue...masking.  As noted, once things hit that bedrock, it stops. So you have a whole mixture of stuff sitting at about the same depth....logging chain pieces, spikes, etc.  That's exactly why I opted for the 5x10 coil in the first place. I knew nothing was deep and wanted something to hunt in the iron better.  BUT...seems like the D2 with 11" coil would have been at the disadvantage for that.  That's also why I opted for the program that I used on it...it was based on the Fast program with full tone audio.  I'll hit it again hopefully this weekend and bring both machines this time. 

[Steve Herschbach]

The Deus 2 does exceptionally well on beaches with high magnetite content, holding an accurate id about 15% deeper in my experience over an Equinox. Both hit the targets to the same depth, but the id shifts to ferrous on the Equinox sooner than Deus 2 by a substantial, not hair splitting margin. I've seen it, and looks like you just saw it also Daniel. Topic moved though since it's morphed into this versus that. Some irony here as I just posted this regarding the D2 and I......

 

[Jeff McClendon]

1 hour ago, Steve Herschbach said:

The Deus 2 does exceptionally well on beaches with high magnetite content, holding an accurate id about 15% deeper in my experience over an Equinox. Both hit the targets to the same depth, but the id shifts to ferrous on the Equinox sooner than Deus 2 by a substantial, not hair splitting margin. I've seen it, and looks like you just saw it also Daniel. Topic moved though since it's morphed into this versus that. Some irony here as I just posted this regarding the D2 and I......

 

I second what Steve said in his reply. I too have a freshwater beach that I hunt that has about 2 to 4" of imported local magnetite laced sand followed by naturally forming 2 to 4 inches of magnetite laced mud and organic muck sitting on top of bedrock. So the maximum depth for coin sized objects is 8". This spot has been used continuously by settlers and locals since the mid 1800s so there is plenty of mostly rusted iron from nails, barbed wire, railroad junk and from ranchers mixed in with that mud and muck. 

The Equinox 800 will call silver coins as mostly iron if they are in or below that mud/muck layer so it is next to impossible to distinguish between high tone falsing iron and actual good non-ferrous targets no matter how I set it up. Deus 1 could not even hit coin sized targets in that mud/muck. Deus 2 is slightly better than the Nox 800 at not skewing IDs so much and at unmasking at this site so far. I haven't tried the Nox 900 or the Legend there yet.

[midalake]

3 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

The Deus 2 does exceptionally well on beaches with high magnetite content, holding an accurate id about 15% deeper in my experience over an Equinox.

I was working crappy black sand the same time you were. While I don't consider 50 hours [or so] in this stuff makes anyone an expert, I was NOT impressed with the D2. 
I found iron was upscaling and nonferrous was greatly downscaling. It was next to impossible trying to figure out a target that would not TID. In one hand beach pitch worked on one target then another identified better in diving mode.

The kicker is the D2 has issues with giving a good 360 response on nonferrous that will not TID. This is a FACT and have compared this directly to the Equinox on over 100 wild targets. 

I too have a new year's resolution to work with this machine [D2] to find the magic sauce to better determine deep nonferrous that will not TID.  I will ask anyone again>>>Any tips??? 

[Steve Herschbach]

I was comparing targets with my Equinox versus my buddies Deus 2 on a heavy magnetite beach at Lake Tahoe on undug coin type targets. Both detectors would hit the same targets, but the Nox up scaled the coins into ferrous targets a good two inches sooner than the D2. But fresh water on coins, and I believe you are in salt water looking for jewelry. In other words the results we are seeing here on our ground on our targets, not your ground and your targets. I'm not trying to imply that result is true everywhere and should have included that caveat. My tip is if you are not happy with what the Deus 2 is doing for you, go back to using the Equinox, or get a Manticore, whatever. No one machine is the absolute best at all locations on all targets. If that were so, we could declare a winner, everyone could get rid of everything else, and we would all use that one detector that is clearly superior to all the others. Long story short I'm going to give the Deus 2 a good go myself, and I'll either like it, or be selling it this fall. What I don't need is any tips or advice though. It will either work for me or it will not.

If it was just me I'd just say yeah, whatever, but I'm hearing the same thing from quite a few other people, like Daniel on this thread, as a recent example.

[midalake]

1 hour ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Long story short I'm going to give the Deus 2 a good go myself, and I'll either like it, or be selling it this fall. What I don't need is any tips or advice though. It will either work for me or it will not.

Thats fine. I am always open to tips and changes. I fully understand that advice may not work in my location. 
 

[Steve Herschbach]

I asked Condor what settings he preferred at Tahoe since he has way more hours than I do there. His answer:

“For coins I used the Relic program with enough Notch to handle the ground. Otherwise I used the Fast program.”

[PI-Man]

Great job on finds and info.  I just got 2 Deus 2s, but it’s hard to break the V3i from my hands when I am not using the Pi.

[strick]

On 1/3/2023 at 10:40 PM, Daniel Tn said:

 There never has been a clear definition of horseshoe on/off.  I always have ran the Nox to where I can hear everything, all the iron grunts. Whether that's on or off: I don't know what to call it.  When I hunted the beach the other day I couldn't settle on which mode was the best. 

By default the equinox has the horse shoe mode off. You have to press the horse shoe button to engage it to the on position.  That’s when the black squares continue down into the negative so you can hear the iron and ground noise...there was a thred about this the other day I just can’t see why it’s so confusing ? 

looks like you got a target rich environment with hot ground and maybe iron trash as well although I don’t see any in your pic..one thing to not confuse is ground noise as iron trash false/grunts the # 2 modes such as field 2 in tracking will help quiet hot ground falsing 

the audio on the deus 1 and 2 has always been better suited for hunting in and around iron...

strick