Steve Herschbach Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 21 hours ago, Bill (S. CA) said: This may be something as simple as Minleab having the Equinox shell and looking in the closet to see what else they can pack into it. I recall when the X-Terra's came out there was talk about Minelab using the X-Terra shell for then current model lines like the Explorer and even the Excalibur. Since it would make no sense to put BBS or FBS into the Equinox shell (might not fit anyway), why not try to breath life back into their single frequency line? I owned all three of the X-Terras at different points and the coil swapping was, for me, a pain. But at a low price point with that appearance of added tech they might be able sell a few. No coil swapping here is the big difference from old X-Terra. Same coil, just push a button. The interesting thing about that is the reason for that is that a coil wound specifically for a single frequency can usually outperform a coil designed to work at a wide range of frequencies. That was the entire rational behind the original X-Terra "change frequency swap coil" regimen. Here you have single coils being employed at various frequencies, and while the difference may be very small, I would still expect a single frequency detector with a coil made just for that detector and frequency to have a small edge. NEL did eventually make switchable frequency coils for the old X-Terra series. Nice thing on the old X-Terra was concentric coil options. Those days seem dead and gone now with Minelab, it's DD coils all the way. This is the old X-Terra series coil chart - these will not work with the X-Terra Pro: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steve Herschbach Posted February 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2023 In retail this is called trying to take over all the shelf space. The downside is too many models confuse the average consumer. The brain is good at small, medium, and large type choices. Any more than that, people tend to freeze and eyes glaze over at too many options. Minelab X-Terra Pro Forum Database Entry 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phrunt Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 The Vanquish coils would have been awesome on the Nox, they'd even sell more Vanquishes as people would buy them as a backup and to have the coils. Nothing makes sense about Minelab and coil restrictions from a consumer perspective. If they want to sell a lot more detectors disable the chip checking in the firmware on many models and I bet a lot more people would buy them, even many ex-owners would be getting them again to run the coils they couldn't in the past without modification. Want to sell more Vanquish? Do the same with the Nox, a Vanquish makes a good loaner/backup or even primary machine for a Nox owner and then the Pro Pack gives them two coils to use on the Nox all for a very good price. The reason we can't run Vanquish coils on the Nox is the price of the coils, they would eat into the Nox coil sales severely with the Vanquish coils being so much cheaper. Why are they cheaper? Not because they're cheaper to make, but because they're for a cheaper model and they could never get away with selling them at much higher pricing for such a cheap detector. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsb Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 new X-Terra has one thing in common with the old line, the name. So the coils are not for the EQ, perfect Cant remember the EQ marketing line but "this changes everything" was truer then i'd like. Concerning the 6 & 800 release, quality, customer service and support and all marketing since is enough to make people change brands. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 if the vanquish coils had been equinox compatible I would have bought a 540 pro long ago and I imagine almost all nox users would have done the same. How many sales have they lost because of the happy chip 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieinMaine Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 I will add my very limited 2 cents. Those V8,10,12 coil are very good on my Vanquish machines. They should make that machine a solid contender. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 On 2/10/2023 at 10:56 AM, phrunt said: But who's going to buy it? It would have to be pretty cheap but it's Minelab, it won't be. It's basically a Nox 600 without MultiIQ using the Vanquish type shaft. and a couple of bits taken from the Nox 700. How many people wander around using their Nox in single frequency modes and the Vanquish kicks butt because of multi-IQ. They should have just put the Vanquish guts in this thing and call it the Vanquish 640 and it'd be worth buying then. Vanquish is great on the beach and in the salt water with multi-IQ, this is single frequency with 5m waterproof! They just seem to be trying to flood the market with new models. Well, I plan to buy an X-Terra Pro because they did justice to the X-Terra concept, but instead of buying a flock of separate coils at different Frequencies, they are giving us a selectable SF detector in a more proven package that is well balanced and waterproof. And instead of using round tube-type rod system they are using the really good Vanquish rod system, and even better, the Vanquish coil design with the thicker, threaded left rod-mount 'ear' and not that hokey-looking new system for the Equinox units. I have owned SMF's from just bout every brand since the '90s, and while some do have some strengths for certain applications, I have still favored a Single-Frequency unit most of the time. And seldom do the SMF's show an overall improvement in performance. Just the opposite on occasion. With the two Equinox 800's I had, a SF was used perhaps 40% of the time, especially where I had improved performance. I really enjoy my two Vanquish 540's, including a lot of Beech Hunting on dry or damp sand at the lakes and reservoirs near me. but I have been hunting freshwater and saltwater beaches for a long time using some chosen Single Frequency models and, when properly tuned, I kept pace with those using a CZ or DFX or Sovereign on the Oregon coast I was hunting at the time. I have no doubt the new X-Terra Pro will provide even better performance. There are a lot of avid detectorists who prefer a SF unit to an SMF, either all-the-time or part-of-the-time, so I know there is good market for this new model. Also, for those with a Vanquish Multi-IQ detector, the new X-Terra Pro just might make an ideal 'companion' detector. Monte 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_Cobra Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 So basically they made a Multi Kruzer ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cal_Cobra said: So basically they made a Multi Kruzer ? They made a selectable single-Frequency model like the: Quest Q60 Makro Multi-Kruzer Nokta Impact Nokta Anfibio Multi XP Deus (original) So the new X-Terra Pro had some similar offerings before it was brough to market, and good things can be said about each of those listed above. Monte 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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