New D2 Software

[Chase Goldman]

2 hours ago, Shelton said:

Target separation should be improved... in iron sites. Only the FAST program performs almost well but if I can compare it with Manticore... Minelab is better. In the same place, more finds... on my footprints after two years of hunting at a closed and the same area.

That's interesting that you should say Deus Target Separation should be improved.  Few criticize the D2's ability to separate targets but I also don't have a Manticore for comparison and have heard the Manticore separation ability mentioned by others.  D2 is certainly not limited by processing speed as the default reactivity (Rx) setting in Fast is 3 out of 5.  But there may be processing and/or audio enhancements that help Manticore in this regard.  About the only thing holding D2 back is lack of a narrow elliptical accessory coil like that provided on the D1 to compliment the round stock coils.  But that obviously won't be remedied by a system software update nor does that explain the Manticore comments because only the stock 11" coil is available for M-core right now.  To a lesser extent, having the ability to operate at a top end FMF frequency higher than 40khz could be advantageous as well.

Anyway, I really wanted to focus in on your statement that "only the FAST program performs almost well".  The Fast program is just based on the 40khz FMF Sensitive program but with reactivity set to 3 (vice 2.5 on Sensitive) and it uses very reactive pitch audio > so it is geared to improve separation out of the box by the nature of its default Rx and audio settings.  But you can improve D2 separation in just about any mode by increasing reactivity and using reactive pitch audio granted the 40khz top end of Sensitive/Fast FMF probably gives you a slight edge over the other base programs.  Have you tried Pitch audio and setting Rx to 3 or higher on the other programs in your iron beds?  Those settings (Rx 3 and Pitch audio) should make General (Default: 3 Tones; Rx 2.5; 40khz FMF), Park (Default: 3 Tones; Rx 2.5; 24 khz FMF), Deep HC (Default: 2 Tones; Rx 2, 14 khz FMF) and even mono (Default: 3 Tones; Rx 2.5; 45 khz max) similarly reactive in iron and if you set Rx even higher should improve target separation even further (though I recommend also turning down sensitivity in machine gun iron to prevent iron Target signals from overloading the front end and there is a point of diminishing returns because the target audio becomes very abbreviated).

Also, Gold and Relic mode have different target processing and ferrous filter algorithms as well as utilizing VCO/Pitch audio which can make them perform well (from a target separation standpoint) in thick iron if you increase there comparatively low Default reactivity settings (2 and 1 respectively).

Would appreciate more discussion on the target separation abilities of D2 vs. Manticore from others who own both detectors.  Is it just due to default settings differences between M-Core and D2 or is there more to it?  Might start a separate thread in the Detector Comparison forum...to limit M-core discussion in the D2 dedicated forum.

 

 

[Shelton]

I was compared to the IAR Relic program with different reactivity settings. With FAST audio is probably better adapted like ENHANCED audio with Manticore. Shorter time? Short delays? I don't know... Maybe. In iron-infested sites that work better for Minelab but we see soon with the next update. Like with The Legend, it could change everything!

[PI-Man]

Chase — I like your thinking of starting a new thread about comparison of the two.  Think it would be a valuable discussion to get everyone’s insight who owns both of them.

[palzynski]

5 hours ago, Shelton said:

I was compared to the IAR Relic program with different reactivity settings. With FAST audio is probably better adapted like ENHANCED audio with Manticore. Shorter time? Short delays? I don't know... Maybe. In iron-infested sites that work better for Minelab but we see soon with the next update. Like with The Legend, it could change everything!

ML better than XP in the irons ?  Hmm ... 

Have you used or tried more standard D2 modes like SENSITIVE for example ?   Or even GENERAL ?  These modes are much more often used by the users than RELIC ,which is rather a specific mode 

My detailed field test done in March 2022  : Test XP DEUS 2 28FMF en terres intérieures (metaux-detection.fr)    It is in French ..

[Ogliuga]

I agree with Palzynski. My favourite prog. is the number 2, Sensitive. With some changes but, in my opinion, Sensitive is the most performing program for relic hunting.  

[Shelton]

In iron with D2, I obtained a good effect only with FAST... but I need to try also sensitive.

[palzynski]

1 hour ago, Shelton said:

In iron with D2, I obtained a good effect only with FAST... but I need to try also sensitive.

For info the D2 settings that I use since last year  : SENSITIVE , 5 TONES , SQUARE.   I have around 50 hours with my D2    

I have tried FAST during my tests btw , but I didnt like the pitch audio . Probably a matter of personal preference ..

[Shelton]

Sometimes two tones are better than an aggressive pitch... and also I switched to one tone with Manticore... but with D2 pitch was ok for me. But that is personal preference

[broadfield]

10 hours ago, Shelton said:

In iron with D2, I obtained a good effect only with FAST... but I need to try also sensitive.

Fast and sensitive are the same FMF platform/frequency bands, the only difference is fast uses a less filtered audio.